bicheon vs. heuksal

[ykz]

ok..
so I am seeing a lot of blader/bower topics over here, but I have a lvl 86 bower now and I want to switch to either blade or glaive...
Because as a bower I often cannot kill any str character in pvp...
My choice now leans slightly towards glaive, but anyone can help me with this?

[Razorhead]

Bich @ cap 100:
Very Expensive when it comes to sp (945,277 sp = bich maxed except 15sec br increase; u could drop cut blade or sword dance (but get at least 1 ranged skill))
Twin Energy Smash: Bleed
Lightning Chain: bleed, impotent, division
Thousand Army Chain: dull, fear, stun
2 kd skills + 2stab skills (crit increase on last stabs (x2), total 4stabs)
Ranged attacks (Demon Cut Blade = 2 hits) or Chaotic sword dance (4 targets, radius 15.0m)
Phy att increase (useful for full str)
Phy def increase for 15 seconds
Passive: 11% blocking ratio increase

Heuksal @ cap 100:
U don't need much skills to pvp or pve (498,179 sp = mag def increase 15 sec + stun series + dull series + kb series + dragon throw + passive)
Mag def increase for 15 seconds
Windless Spear (Deathbringer Spear isn't very useful for pvp cuz of delay :s ), gives dull
Soul Spear soul & Emporer (2 skills to stun opponent)
Ghost Spear-Storm Cloud (finishing move, or kb if necesary)
Flying Dragon Flash (very strong, ranged skill that hits twice!! seems to replace windless/deathbringer in pvp)
Passive: 3600HP increase

[Alkali]

imo stay bower.. you will be good in pvp when your capped.. but if you really want to switch, i guess goin blader, debuffs, massive def, kd, br increases makes blader very good in pvp, you just need to get to play your build very well.

[jyushinshuu]

fi you wanna switch build cuz u can't kill str players with Acher then go Glavier. Don't go blade if you want kill( If you can't kill using bow, what more using blade..)

[ykz]

imo stay bower.. you will be good in pvp when your capped.. but if you really want to switch, i guess goin blader, debuffs, massive def, kd, br increases makes blader very good in pvp, you just need to get to play your build very well.

Well.. a friend of mine has a lvl 100 bow, but he kinda has the same problem...
So that why i wanted to switch...
But for now ill first change to pacheon/fire/cold, if that doesnt improve anything, ill dlvl pacheon and lvl up heuksal..

thx for all the info guys

[Alkali]

imo stay bower.. you will be good in pvp when your capped.. but if you really want to switch, i guess goin blader, debuffs, massive def, kd, br increases makes blader very good in pvp, you just need to get to play your build very well.

Well.. a friend of mine has a lvl 100 bow, but he kinda has the same problem...
So that why i wanted to switch...
But for now ill first change to pacheon/fire/cold, if that doesnt improve anything, ill dlvl pacheon and lvl up heuksal..

thx for all the info guys

or take force instead of cold, imo u wont have any probs with str chars anymore, well maybe euro i guess lol

[larrylhm]

If you want a really good pvper and not afraid of using a bit more money on drug of typhoon i think i saw a build that is has 100 force mastery into it and slightly lower fire msatery. it gives debuffs and stuff. not very sure if its good cos i have never played one of those builds before but i heard that build is deadly in 1v1 pvp. But pretty hard to excel in job war or fortress war. thats what i heard.

[Alkali]

If you want a really good pvper and not afraid of using a bit more money on drug of typhoon i think i saw a build that is has 100 force mastery into it and slightly lower fire msatery. it gives debuffs and stuff. not very sure if its good cos i have never played one of those builds before but i heard that build is deadly in 1v1 pvp. But pretty hard to excel in job war or fortress war. thats what i heard.

its 100 wep / 100 force / 80 fire / 20 cold (snowshield)

[DropOut]

If your going glaive, best build would be 100 heuk, 100 fire 100 force in a pro set.
I tried cold / fire but force is just much stronger ^^

[larrylhm]

If you want a really good pvper and not afraid of using a bit more money on drug of typhoon i think i saw a build that is has 100 force mastery into it and slightly lower fire msatery. it gives debuffs and stuff. not very sure if its good cos i have never played one of those builds before but i heard that build is deadly in 1v1 pvp. But pretty hard to excel in job war or fortress war. thats what i heard.

its 100 wep / 100 force / 80 fire / 20 cold (snowshield)

yea that

[karimgh]

Well For me i think that the BLADER OWNS in PVP and tanking
While the glaive for solo and PVE!!

[dominoes]

going either with light maxed will be a mistake, if you do not care to delvl light, stay with pacheon.

[ykz]

Well.. I already delvlled light now..
And I decided to change to glaive.
Im still in the process of changing.

But is force really better than taking ice?
I heard that the debuffs of a lvl 100 FF Force character, cant be resisted by Holy Spell/Holy Word, is that true?

[Goseki]

doubt it. pretty sure holy spell resists everything in iSRO. Doesn't mean debuffs/heals aren't useful.

100 heuk, 100 force, 80 fire, 20 ice. Pretty dam annoying.

[larrylhm]

Taking Force tree for str chars makes them pretty much Chuck Norris. The amount of damage output is insane. Bladers ands Glaviers benefit the most out of Force in my opinion due to their lack of crit skills so the Force debuffs will really heighten their damage by a lot.

[DropOut]

Well.. I already delvlled light now..
And I decided to change to glaive.
Im still in the process of changing.

But is force really better than taking ice?
I heard that the debuffs of a lvl 100 FF Force character, cant be resisted by Holy Spell/Holy Word, is that true?

Yes force is a lot better than cold and the lvl100 debuffs are still resisted by holy spell.
The vital spots (parry and att rating reduce) can go through holy spell.
And go with 100 heuk 100 fire 100 force at the 105 cap you will be able to get snow shield with the 330 mastery cap

[karimgh]

Sorry for interuption BUT is the blader good to add force to??
Or shall i replace it?? I am currently making 100bich/100fire/80light/20cold
What do you think ??

[DropOut]

Sorry for interuption BUT is the blader good to add force to??
Or shall i replace it?? I am currently making 100bich/100fire/80light/20cold
What do you think ??

Bladers already got a lot of debuffs from their chains so going with force would be a bit useless. Bladers should be fire / cold or 80 light / 100 fire.

[karimgh]

Like my build??

[DropOut]

100 bich 100fire 80 light and 20 cold is a good build for a blader.

[larrylhm]

well i've seen full str bladers going 100 bich/fire/force and they're beasts in 1v1. but of cos that also means that their tanking ability goes down due to lack of ice.

[ykz]

hmm ok
so now i have to decide taking force or ice... =S

btw does anybody know if there are sp charts available for lvl 100+?

[karimgh]

If you are going GLAIVE then Force..
If Blader then ICE for more damage

[DropOut]

If you are going GLAIVE then Force..
If Blader then ICE for more damage

Ice = phy def.

[karimgh]

lol sry My BAD!!

[larrylhm]

hmm ok
so now i have to decide taking force or ice... =S

btw does anybody know if there are sp charts available for lvl 100+?

SP Charts? i think u can find some at nivlam.rev6.com

anyways it really depends on what u wanna excel in. PVP or PVE. Force is definitely better at PVP, and Ice allows u to tank more making you better in PVE. I dun think going force for blader is entirely useless, but definitely it wont be as useful as taking force for glavier. none the less it still contributes. Personally i'll rather you take Force for Glavier and Ice for blader since it does slightly more benefit for glavier

[ykz]

Well.. I dont really care about pve
I want have a decent pvp character...
What about self heal series and force cure series at force?
In one guide its recommended and in the other they say its better to skip it since you have heal series and cure therapy....
What do you guys think?

btw I saw the sp calculator at rev6.nivlam, but I wasn't sure if the SP amount per skill is correct for lvl 100+

[larrylhm]

If you want to not be killed but rely mostly on crits to kill, then choose blader.
If you want to be not bad at PVE and quite good at PVP, choose glavie

Glavie u can go Heus/Fire/Force if you're relaly plain interested in pvp. cos in 105 cap u can level your ice to get ur ice shield so i dun think defence will be much of an issue.

Blader i'll think to go Bich/Fire/Ice or something similar if you want to pvp.

thats my opinion. cos im very inspired by the force debuffs

and to ur force skill issues (cure therapy, stuff like that), im sry i cant answer you now cos currently im training my spear nuker and have not enuff time to read up on force characters.

Here's an example of a Force Glavier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ3qeUm6m3Y


i'll post a blader video when i find a good one

[ykz]

Does the glaive in that video has heuksal/force/80fire/20ice or something?
coz i think im seeing snow shield...

whats bothering me is I dont see many characters with force at my server...
And everybody who had force, has delvlled it.

[larrylhm]

Does the glaive in that video has heuksal/force/80fire/20ice or something?
coz i think im seeing snow shield...

whats bothering me is I dont see many characters with force at my server...
And everybody who had force, has delvlled it.

yup she has snow shield. so probably it is as u said, 80 fire 20 ice.

force isnt a popular concept yet but it is definitely rising from the many layers of misconception around it. as you see the dude can do out a 19k crit. thats pretty convincing to me.