For americans

[trane]

Can anyone explain me how is the voting system in the U.S? And if it's electronic or you use stamp on paper.

[[Orphen]]

get on msn sir.
and, at least in California, it's stamp on paper. Though I think they offer electronic voting if you register by a certain deadline.

[Jstar1]

theres this idiotic thing called the elctoral college where you can have the popular vote (meaning more people voted for you than the other guy) and still lose the election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29

^right here^

[TheDrop]

Electoral college = each state has a certain # of electoral votes depending on the number of representatives of the state in Congress (senate + house of representatives). whichever candidate gets majority popular vote in the state gets all of the state's electoral votes. you need 270+ electoral votes to win the election.

had to write an essay about it so its pretty much installed in my brain now >.>

[ping_lo]

Problem is and yes my brain may be fuzzy but there have been incidents in recent history where the EC dissregarded the popular vote and voted for someone else. The ECs vote is in no way tied to the popular vote. Which is how despite winning the vote gore lost to bush.

[Pally]

In my county in PA its is done electronically.

I personally think it should be back to the way it was. Those machines can be rigged in one second if you know what you are doing and no one would ever know.

[Brago]

In my county in PA its is done electronically.

I personally think it should be back to the way it was. Those machines can be rigged in one second if you know what you are doing and no one would ever know.

Brilliant! im going to figure out how to rig the machines and make sure obama doesnt get re-elected for his 2nd term!

[chickenfeather]

In my county in PA its is done electronically.

I personally think it should be back to the way it was. Those machines can be rigged in one second if you know what you are doing and no one would ever know.

Brilliant! im going to figure out how to rig the machines and make sure obama doesnt get re-elected for his 2nd term!

Reported to flag@whitehouse.gov. Expect the Obama Youth to be at your door any time now to reeducate you.

[woutR]

No voting system is perfect, in the Netherlands we don't really have a say what kind of coalition of parties will form. As a matter of fact, the Queen, whose only credentials are heritage in this matter, gets to appoint the main negotiator (formateur) for the pending coalitions.
With that appointment she can make or break certain coalitions.

But yeah, all that pales in comparison when you realize you can actually lose an election with more votes for you than your opponent in America

[Brago]

to bad if they do, they cant do anything to me legally. im underaged.

[_Equal_]

In my county in PA its is done electronically.

I personally think it should be back to the way it was. Those machines can be rigged in one second if you know what you are doing and no one would ever know.

Brilliant! im going to figure out how to rig the machines and make sure obama doesnt get re-elected for his 2nd term!

Actually, he's doing pretty good at not getting re-elected

[ping_lo]

Thing with Obama is he is realistically doing everything he promised that he can. Like most politicians he did promise the sky on a thing or two and was a bit vague on a few others. But compared to several previous presidents we have had Obama is doing a brilliant job and one of the best presidents we have had in a long time. That is not saying much after the last one though. Between both bushes and regan the country as we know it has been largely dismantled and sold off.

Obama is not perfect and has done things I am unhappy with. But on the whole the people shouting failure the loudest are the opposition party. Opposition not in that they are in a different party that just happens to oppose ideals. But opposition in that they will oppose something even if it is their own ideal if it is not them pushing it on everyone. He is not the president we need but he is better than we as a country as a whole deserve. To think McCain and that attention whore Palin got as close as they did to office. That is frightning.

[cpinney]

In my county in PA its is done electronically.

I personally think it should be back to the way it was. Those machines can be rigged in one second if you know what you are doing and no one would ever know.

Brilliant! im going to figure out how to rig the machines and make sure obama doesnt get re-elected for his 2nd term!

Reported to flag@whitehouse.gov. Expect the Obama Youth to be at your door any time now to reeducate you.

haha?

[Jstar1]

no president is ever perfect and no president can ever fulfill all his promises. I wonder how many of you would criticized mccain for not following up his own promises had he been elected president. Making promises are part of their campaigns and most of them aren't just empty ones.

And the people whining about the economy not rebounding are full of shit. The downturn developed because of deregulation and too much risk taking, all of which in fact began back when reagan decided to be an idiot and deregulate the financial system. Of course the banks' greediness contributed too.

A problem that took more than 10 years to develop, and some people are crying that the economy isn't back to normal after only 1 year of recession? I'm actually surprised that the american economy is actually growing again after only 1 year and that banks are starting to pay back the fed with interest.

[Ownage]

I am not a big fan of Obama but he isn't doing too bad, he's ok. I personally think people are under rating Bush it really isn't his fault that we got into a recession, and he tried a lot to get us out its just he didn't get much support because he couldn't talk that well like Obama can.

OnT: The Electoral College. All states have a EC of 3-53 (atm, but can change) and if you get the popular vote of that state you get all their EC!

[ping_lo]

I am not a big fan of Obama but he isn't doing too bad, he's ok. I personally think people are under rating Bush it really isn't his fault that we got into a recession, and he tried a lot to get us out its just he didn't get much support because he couldn't talk that well like Obama can.

That is an interresting topic and while I think you are partially right it would not do to be a hypocrite like those that hound obama. The bubble started under the Clinton administration albiet the last days of his last term by the repealing of glass-stegal by McCain-Feingold. So the start of the bubble practically has to do as much with clinton as it does with bush. Though honestly that turd can basically be left on McCains doorstep. Just another reason I am glad he did not get elected. The bailouts and relilef programs did start under bush even if I feel obamas second one did more real good. Unfortunatly however bush did plenty to exacerbate things. He carries plenty of blame. Un funded tax cuts to the richest 1%. 2 endless wars one of which was very unjustified. Massive cronyism on a scale only before dreamed of. Gross violations of US principle and civil rights. The closest the US has yet come to fascism though thankfully we did not go over that edge. There is plenty real treason to go after the entire bush family for. So it is kinda frustrating when all this piddly stuff gets rehashed.

Treasonous things like Prescot Bush's attempt to overthrow the president in the 30's IIRC and instate a corporate fascist government system. Or George seniors treasonous sabotage of president Carter all to get Regan elected by delaying the release of the hostages till after the election so they could make Carter look an ineffectual fool. Really of what importance are the lives of nobodies when politics is on the line. And as for Jr. Well hopefully we can remember all the bad he did still.

[PR0METHEUS]

Problem is and yes my brain may be fuzzy but there have been incidents in recent history where the EC dissregarded the popular vote and voted for someone else. The ECs vote is in no way tied to the popular vote. Which is how despite winning the vote gore lost to bush.

Exactly. The popular vote can only, at best, persuade the Electoral College. They can just vote for whoever they want in the end as I understand it.

[CeLL]

It is something to the nature of each state gets x number of EC votes. If the majority of that state votes for so and so those votes go for him. The size of the state and population dictate the number of EC votes. Sometimes the number of EC votes doesn’t fit right and a larger states vote can be cancelled by a smaller state. Its all dependant on the majority vote and the number of EC votes per state. It’s a very flawwed system.

http://swordscrossed.org/node/1796 <--- read that.