best chin build vs. BOWERS

akjoh · Post by **akjoh** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:14 am

well , pls vote and then say the build ( stats , mastery , best skill vs bowers )

btw i play on vip ecsro , and seeing that there are many bowers (kb grrrr....) , so i was thinking of making a hybrid int fire/cold s/s but i can consider making smthing else , still didnt choose ...

off topic :

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mick3201 · Post by **mick3201** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:47 am

i think the knock down of a blader are really useful against bowers because of their kb and if it is a fire blader it can cast fire wall so thats another plus cuz fire wall will stop kb. also, blader can tank the bower's godly crits with their shields. im not saying that bladers are better than bowers though cuz i personally think that bowers are the strongest at cap 100.

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:58 pm

blader is the only thing that can possibly take a bower... bowers are legit man...

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:09 pm

_c0nflict_ wrote:blader is the only thing that can possibly take a bower... bowers are legit man...

bladers have the highest chances... blocking critical attacks, debuffing then knockingdown...

a s/s can die of 1-2 consecutive crits
a spear of 1-3
a glaive of 2-5
a blader about 2-4

but glaives are just meatshields which rely on their monstrous hp. to survive and huge crits to kill.
only way they can block is using the mag. att. block fanning spear move

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:42 am

mick3201 wrote:i think the knock down of a blader are really useful against bowers because of their kb and if it is a fire blader it can cast fire wall so thats another plus cuz fire wall will stop kb. also, blader can tank the bower's godly crits with their shields. im not saying that bladers are better than bowers though cuz i personally think that bowers are the strongest at cap 100.

don't do firewall with blade >.> bow will just hit you and you can't do anything about it inside firewall

Deathsythe · Post by **Deathsythe** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:24 am

since you play on ecsro and the skills cap is 80 i believe, id go with a glaive, they were pretty good against bowers back at the 80 cap.

and the song is a remix of "Better Off Alone" by Alice DeeJay

_Dutchy_ · Post by **_Dutchy_** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:40 am

Only thing i have problems with are strong Glaivers they can kill me i'm a 98 bow and i can tank most sun blades even Bladers are just highly anoying not strong at all 90 cap they were awsome this cap nah just anoying

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:19 pm

_Dutchy_ wrote:Only thing i have problems with are strong Glaivers they can kill me i'm a 98 bow and i can tank most sun blades even Bladers are just highly anoying not strong at all 90 cap they were awsome this cap nah just anoying

thats not the point, true a glaive could kill you, but you can kill a glaive alot easier than you can kill a blade. Blade vs Bow (or any other str char really) turns into a pot match. Thats why you find them annoying, you cant kill them very well. The fact that the same goes for them makes no difference =)

like i said tho, bows are legit. I wanna make one. =)

very intelligent · Post by **very intelligent** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:47 am

I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

_Dutchy_ · Post by **_Dutchy_** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:22 am

very intelligent wrote:I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

Be glad then you never fought a decent bower ^^

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:32 pm

very intelligent wrote:I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

please just leave... just go play sro in your own little fantasy world. and you are a complete dumbass... Bows generally get those 5 crits, especially given the crit boost they get from Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow Series, plus the attack rating increase they get from other skills. A good solid bower with good skills and a decent bow will generally crit in the high teens to 20k range. IDK what your char type is, but it seems to me your playing some lower level bows with bad gear if you think they are that bad.

Another thing, the glaive only gets 3800 more hp than a blader, and that tops out at like 37k or 38k not including blues or other stat boosting gear, which might bring it up to abt 43k hp. They dont have near the defense a blader has due to the shield and blocking ratio, which is even increased by the Shield protection passive skill by up to 11% at lvl 100. Not to mention the Shield Technique Series of skills, dramatically increasing defense or block ratio. Plus all of the statuses used by the blade. True, glaive does have more HP, and does more damage, and does have stun and KB, it doesnt have the defense or tankability of a blade.

so lolz @ you.

_Dutchy_ · Post by **_Dutchy_** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:40 pm

_c0nflict_ wrote:
very intelligent wrote:I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

please just leave... just go play sro in your own little fantasy world. and you are a complete dumbass... Bows generally get those 5 crits, especially given the crit boost they get from Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow Series, plus the attack rating increase they get from other skills. A good solid bower with good skills and a decent bow will generally crit in the high teens to 20k range. IDK what your char type is, but it seems to me your playing some lower level bows with bad gear if you think they are that bad.

Another thing, the glaive only gets 3800 more hp than a blader, and that tops out at like 37k or 38k not including blues or other stat boosting gear, which might bring it up to abt 43k hp. They dont have near the defense a blader has due to the shield and blocking ratio, which is even increased by the Shield protection passive skill by up to 11% at lvl 100. Not to mention the Shield Technique Series of skills, dramatically increasing defense or block ratio. Plus all of the statuses used by the blade. True, glaive does have more HP, and does more damage, and does have stun and KB, it doesnt have the defense or tankability of a blade.

so lolz @ you.

I agree with you Glaivers don't have the tanking capabilty of Bladers Imo Besides bladers have the knockdowns aswell oh and a second note my GM has 46K hp Glaiver i believe max is around 46.5K hp =]

karimgh · Post by **karimgh** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:20 pm

very intelligent wrote:I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

Wow you are really a DUMBASS !!!
you even know wht TANKING IS???!!!
Tanking is : To be able to defend and block attacks....
Blader uses a shield so BLADER can TANK!!!
Glaive dont so they CANT!!!
Go play in the mud ASSHOLE !!

slimshady · Post by **slimshady** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:47 pm

Be glad then you never fought a decent bower ^^

+1

please just leave... just go play sro in your own little fantasy world. and you are a complete dumbass... Bows generally get those 5 crits, especially given the crit boost they get from Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow Series, plus the attack rating increase they get from other skills. A good solid bower with good skills and a decent bow will generally crit in the high teens to 20k range. IDK what your char type is, but it seems to me your playing some lower level bows with bad gear if you think they are that bad.

Another thing, the glaive only gets 3800 more hp than a blader, and that tops out at like 37k or 38k not including blues or other stat boosting gear, which might bring it up to abt 43k hp. They dont have near the defense a blader has due to the shield and blocking ratio, which is even increased by the Shield protection passive skill by up to 11% at lvl 100. Not to mention the Shield Technique Series of skills, dramatically increasing defense or block ratio. Plus all of the statuses used by the blade. True, glaive does have more HP, and does more damage, and does have stun and KB, it doesnt have the defense or tankability of a blade.

so lolz @ you.

+2

Wow you are really a DUMBASS !!!
you even know wht TANKING IS???!!!
Tanking is : To be able to defend and block attacks....
Blader uses a shield so BLADER can TANK!!!
Glaive dont so they CANT!!!
Go play in the mud ASSHOLE !!

+3

You maybe lvl 92, but you still dont know shit about this game, every post is the same...glavie owns this, glavie owns that, no other build can beat glaive, blah blah blah. Someday you will pvp a good bower and you will be stunned.

karimgh · Post by **karimgh** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:00 pm

Lol slimshady thnx for backing me up

cooleddie · Post by **cooleddie** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:41 pm

arguing is pointless any build could kill each other it all depends on the gear,luck and player but you all know that already XD

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:33 am

cooleddie wrote:arguing is pointless any build could kill each other it all depends on the gear,luck and player but you all know that already XD

your post was pointless...

the point is that very intelligent is in fact a dumbass, and should be banned for his dumbass comments and unwillingness to listen to others who CLEARLY are smarter than him...

and a blader tanks better than a glaive, anyday.

cooleddie · Post by **cooleddie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:50 pm

he should be ban for being wrong? lol thats not a reason he made a mistake we all do in life

very intelligent · Post by **very intelligent** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:58 pm

_Dutchy_ wrote:
_c0nflict_ wrote:
very intelligent wrote:I laughed, saying blader can tank more then glaive? lol, bro you should make some research before you start posting shit. And bowers imo are weakest in pvp, they cant take my hp down in snow and without snow they need 5 crits to kill me.

please just leave... just go play sro in your own little fantasy world. and you are a complete dumbass... Bows generally get those 5 crits, especially given the crit boost they get from Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow Series, plus the attack rating increase they get from other skills. A good solid bower with good skills and a decent bow will generally crit in the high teens to 20k range. IDK what your char type is, but it seems to me your playing some lower level bows with bad gear if you think they are that bad.

Another thing, the glaive only gets 3800 more hp than a blader, and that tops out at like 37k or 38k not including blues or other stat boosting gear, which might bring it up to abt 43k hp. They dont have near the defense a blader has due to the shield and blocking ratio, which is even increased by the Shield protection passive skill by up to 11% at lvl 100. Not to mention the Shield Technique Series of skills, dramatically increasing defense or block ratio. Plus all of the statuses used by the blade. True, glaive does have more HP, and does more damage, and does have stun and KB, it doesnt have the defense or tankability of a blade.

so lolz @ you.

I agree with you Glaivers don't have the tanking capabilty of Bladers Imo Besides bladers have the knockdowns aswell oh and a second note my GM has 46K hp Glaiver i believe max is around 46.5K hp =]

This just shows your lack of knowledge and ruins your credibility here. Glaivers max hp is 49,5k hp, with devil spirit.

Glaiver hit the hardest of the str builds in chinese. Bower hit the lowest but they have crits, so it makes some of the dmg up.

You should lurk more, glaivers are highly underestimated build. In reality they finish fights fast especially if they get a crit in.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:11 pm

very intelligent wrote:Glaiver hit the hardest of the str builds in chinese. 1*Bower hit the lowest but they have crits, so it makes some of the dmg up.

You should lurk more, glaivers are 2*highly underestimated build. [b]3*In reality they finish fights fast especially if they get a crit in[/b].

1. nope--> damage goes: Glaive > Bow > Blader
and the bow attacks with crit make them about as good as glaivers on the damage side...
knockback makes up for the lack of defence of a blader and lack of hp of a glaiver, balance

2.doesnt mean you should overstimate them
every build has pros and cons, glaivers have been moved into the bowers shadow because of the double knockback better explosion arrow and better strong bow attack.
all in all they are about the same as at 90 cap

3.thats all a str char hopes for, namely to get a crit and either render a char either unable to attack(especially snow shield user) or make them switch to defence and selfhealing(cleric builds) so that the str char doesnt take damage and can bludgeon them without resistance.

both bowers and glaivers are dangerous as soon as they get a +300% attack to crit. making it lead to a victory just depends on wether the opponent gets stunned,can pot it away, heal it himself or counter attack before another crit falls

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:58 pm

This just shows your lack of knowledge and ruins your credibility here. Glaivers max hp is 49,5k hp, with devil spirit.

Glaiver hit the hardest of the str builds in chinese. Bower hit the lowest but they have crits, so it makes some of the dmg up.

You should lurk more, glaivers are highly underestimated build. In reality they finish fights fast especially if they get a crit in.

I love how you tell people they have no knowledge because they didnt take into account the extra hp you would get with a purchased add on to the game, not the game itself.. lol dumbass. Is it even more with a premium too? lol

And also you obviously didnt read my earlier post where i pretty much owned your ignorance by telling you all of the reasons a blader would be a better tank, and would tank a bow better than a glaive.

They HAVE to get crits in to finish fights, if they dont they more than likely wont finish fast against another str build. And with bows knew knockback and HUGE crits, a bow is a very solid build.

I like glaives too, but lets not get carried away. At this cap, imo, bows are the better of the str builds.

he should be ban for being wrong? lol thats not a reason he made a mistake we all do in life

No. Half of the time im wrong, but its the cocky and obnoxious manner with which he offends others when clearly he is wrong. He fails to listen to others and just says whatever random bullshit comes into his mind...

slimshady · Post by **slimshady** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:17 pm

lol i love this thread

cooleddie · Post by **cooleddie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:31 pm

_c0nflict_ · Post by **_c0nflict_** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:59 pm

cooleddie wrote:lol

lol just wait for very intelligent to reply...

karimgh · Post by **karimgh** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:17 pm

Guys we shouldnt really JUDGE people for their DUMBASS brain...
Some (Like "Very STUPID") Are born with no mind !!! So we shouldnt judge them!!!

evilpeta · Post by **evilpeta** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:53 am

hmmm.. you know with the new glaive stun skill at 105 i think a FORCE glaiver is bower's worst nightmare

it would be a stun frenzy, last book hits 3 times!
and all the debuffs from force plus the strong crits, stun and kb. force glaive is win.
sure blader can tank and all, but can they actually kill anything besides int based builds? a strong fully pimped bower would be immune to bladers even if they use similar gear.

edit: oh shit, i just read VIP ECSRO, although i still think glaiver has the best shot at killing a bower than a blader. since ecsro doesn't have working debuffs.

so for ECSRO VIP at 100 cap i think your build should be
100 heuksal / 100 fire / 100 ice. if you ONLY want to be good against bowers then use protector. but i suggest you use garments so you can be generally good at everything.

remember at 100 cap glaivers best skill is the last glaive throw skill, not the stun. and it is EXTREMELY useful when you're being KB'd by a bower. if you use it correctly you can actually slide forward a distance while you throw your glaive and then quickly pull off a SSE without being KB'd again.
remember to switch to a shield everytime a bower SPAMS KB. it is also a GREAT idea to quickly switch to shield everytime the bower uses the last book Strong Bow, which has INSANE damage. blocking or reducing damage from that attack will make you quite invincible to that build.

edit2: look at this vid. i've posted it quite a few times but it is such a good example of how to correctly play a glaiver.
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aishsharma · Post by **aishsharma** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:13 pm

on a whole blader, but probbly any str with force debuffs(to ground the bowers def n dmg) will own.

RK42 · Post by **RK42** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:06 am

slimshady wrote:
Be glad then you never fought a decent bower ^^

+1

please just leave... just go play sro in your own little fantasy world. and you are a complete dumbass... Bows generally get those 5 crits, especially given the crit boost they get from Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow Series, plus the attack rating increase they get from other skills. A good solid bower with good skills and a decent bow will generally crit in the high teens to 20k range. IDK what your char type is, but it seems to me your playing some lower level bows with bad gear if you think they are that bad.

Another thing, the glaive only gets 3800 more hp than a blader, and that tops out at like 37k or 38k not including blues or other stat boosting gear, which might bring it up to abt 43k hp. They dont have near the defense a blader has due to the shield and blocking ratio, which is even increased by the Shield protection passive skill by up to 11% at lvl 100. Not to mention the Shield Technique Series of skills, dramatically increasing defense or block ratio. Plus all of the statuses used by the blade. True, glaive does have more HP, and does more damage, and does have stun and KB, it doesnt have the defense or tankability of a blade.

so lolz @ you.

+2

Wow you are really a DUMBASS !!!
you even know wht TANKING IS???!!!
Tanking is : To be able to defend and block attacks....
Blader uses a shield so BLADER can TANK!!!
Glaive dont so they CANT!!!
Go play in the mud ASSHOLE !!

+3

You maybe lvl 92, but you still dont know shit about this game, every post is the same...glavie owns this, glavie owns that, no other build can beat glaive, blah blah blah. Someday you will pvp a good bower and you will be stunned.

This is off topic but.. Rofl. Dude I strongly agree. Every post I've ever seen from very intelligent is very idiotic. He acts like he is the ULTIMATE SRO player and he can kill anyone he sees. Seems like one cocky dumbass to me. People like that piss me off.

Back on topic, personally I think Hybrid 7INT : 1STR Spears could do a decent job against a Bower. They have the extra HP from Heuksal, Knock Back, and Stun. Plus pretty good damage in Heuksal skills and nukes. Also they can handle snow. That's just my opinion. Blader does tank awesomely, obviously better than Glavier. So Blader would have a damn good chance with it's KD and stabs. It also depends on what you like to play and if you're good at playing it. No matter what build you have you always have to play it good. Unless you have full SoSun +9 Gear with Full Blues and FUFA 100. But if you have that, and suck at playing your char, please quit. Lol.

BuDo · Post by **BuDo** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:54 pm

Best tank in the entire game or at least with the best potential to be best tank is the Blader. Block+iron mountain+snow shield+a SOSun shield (with high block) = a fortress. Anyone playing the game for a while can see this.

dutchleader · Post by **dutchleader** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:37 pm

Guess the smart guy never pvped a cold blader at the 60 cap

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