Passion of Muhammed?

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

I mean what kind of society on this planet forces their women wear black cloaks in the public?

Well yeah but...

She can keep the veil on, >:3

If I ever meet a Muslim chick, I demand she reveals her face, and stop hiding her prettiness.

[Strwarrior]

Some fake info u hear, see in internet, dont believe everything u see or hear.
what u have in ur head are alot of wrong info about islam.


@Deedee, thats not even a "Muslim" girl, its stupidness from u to post that shit.
and she wont "stop hiding her prettiness" to an idiot like you, nor any another guy.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

@Deedee, thats not even a "Muslim" girl, its stupidness from u to post that shit.
and she wont "stop hiding her prettiness" to an idiot like you, nor any another guy.

Well thats too bad, you've disappointed me in two ways =l
This is now my opinion of Muslim girls. Why are they so SRS Q__Q we just want to see them for who they are, not who they believe in.

Qwikshoop was qwik...They just look so temting, their expression screams "DO IT!"

[Squirt]

I mean what kind of society on this planet forces their women wear black cloaks in the public?

Well yeah but...

She can keep the veil on, >:3

If I ever meet a Muslim chick, I demand she reveals her face, and stop hiding her prettiness.

My god her eyes are beautiful O_O

[John_Doe]

first of all stop fuckin talking in my quote. it makes it hard for me to read >-> No.

I am not the finale word. God has the final word on everything. We know his words in the Quran and from our Prophet (pbuh). I am not the one not accepting it, our religion does not accept terrorism. The Qoran probaly doesn't support terrorism, but it seems to have nothing agaisnt killing infidels right? You can't deny that, and you know that's really all the justification they need. Kill the infidels save them from eternal damnation blah blah blah...we are excuting justice in the name of God etc.

You're a dumbass. Why would anyone rape someone in the name of God? Why would anyone blow themselves up in the name of God? If you're going to make bitchy comments like that it's not even worth talkin to you. If you say so.

And I need an article, reliable source with reliable evidence on 24 people getting murdered and I need to know those 24 people's real lives. Why would you want to know who they were? Are you seeking to find some sort of justification? The numbers actually over 100.(Your style).

OnTopic: Nothing. I didn't even read the first post lol :p

In response to your last question.

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I'm not gonna touch on the clothing thing seeing as it's more of cultural thing. But I still see it as a pointless tradition.

Also no one is forcing you anything. If you were to go out and shout I'm not a Muslim being a daughter/son of 2 Muslim parents, no one can force you to do anything. In Islam, no one will ever force you to do anything. The Qoran clearly states you have to kill anyone who commits apostasy. So who's more faithful you? or the guy who's killing those commiting apostasy? I mean you have to follow your book 100% don't you or do you just pick and choose?

If you want to BE a Muslim, there is a set of rules/guidelines for you to follow. If not, no one forces you to be a Muslim. There's hypocrisy in that last statement seeing as childern are indoctrinated into whatever religion thier parents are in as soon as they are borned. Why not let them choose? Why force your ideology down thier throats?

EDIT: making it bigger so you don't complain about it.

[TheDrop]

A thread about a movie turns into a thread about muslim vs. atheists & ignorant people

SRF

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

A thread about a movie turns into a thread about muslim vs. atheists & ignorant people

SRF

This is what happens when religion is brought up. Religion biggest troll, or Biggest troll EVER?
I guess all we can do is argue about religion while we wait for this troll bomb of a movie to come out in theaters.

[devilti]

First of all, those who blow up stuff are extreme islamists, msjority is peaceful. Second Their women in the ancient times had the most freedom:) You know this how? they just havnt changd, thats bcoz they follow strict codes, and dont change.

religion isnt bad, its bad when ppl fight over it. You just contradicted yourself there.

i cant believe i had to defend islam

Do some research if you dont believe me, their women lives were very advanced in the ancient times. Their society was open, (in fact they made the frst university), until the mongols came adn slaughtered everyone.
The fact that they do not change, is evident in history, especially the ottoman empire. It fell because it failed to adapt modern shit.

And i meant teh idea of religion isnt bad, because it gives ppl faith and a peaceful life, but when pl fight over it, its bad.

[.Banshee]

You seem to miss the point why islam is "hypocritical". Islam does not support terrorism. You think I don't know that? Thats not my point though. My point is that islam is hypocritical. All religions generally promote peace and sincerity. The fact that, in the middle east, islam is a major cause of something quite opposite of peace, is why its hypocritical.

And terrorism aside, islam degrades women into 2nd class citizens. They can't own land, they can't wear what they want, they are basically slaves. I mean what kind of society on this planet forces their women wear black cloaks in the public?

Jstar stfu. You act like Islam is forced on people. People CHOOSE to follow a particular religion whether it be Islam or Buddhism. Take your shitty crap and stuff it up your ignorant ass.

@John kill the infidels? Only a select few Muslims for the past 20 years have been killing the infidels. Stop basing your perceptions on what a select few people do and their actions in the last 20 years. Base your perceptions on the fact that Islam has infact been one of the most tolerant religions in history. While Christians were frenzied with the fact that Muslim Moors and Jews were living in Spain and capturing the Holy Land, Islam was promoting the philosophies of Plato and Aristole. While Chinese Confucians were busy condemning European Christians and and Japanese Shintoists were violently persecuting Japanese Christians, Islam was trading with the City-states and Kingdoms of Sub-Saharan Africa and introducing new technological advances and ideas to the Animist Africans.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

You seem to miss the point why islam is "hypocritical". Islam does not support terrorism. You think I don't know that? Thats not my point though. My point is that islam is hypocritical. All religions generally promote peace and sincerity. The fact that, in the middle east, islam is a major cause of something quite opposite of peace, is why its hypocritical.

And terrorism aside, islam degrades women into 2nd class citizens. They can't own land, they can't wear what they want, they are basically slaves. I mean what kind of society on this planet forces their women wear black cloaks in the public?

Jstar stfu. You act like Islam is forced on people. People CHOOSE to follow a particular religion whether it be Islam or Buddhism. Take your shitty crap and stuff it up your ignorant ass.

The point is, when they are children, their parents force it on them. If the parents just happen to be religious, their child will be an outcast if they do not accept the religion, which will probably end up in the child being abused, or rediculed, possibly even kicked out at a young age. I'm not just saying this happens with just this religion, it can be any one of them, and if the parents are SRS enough, it will happen.

[John_Doe]

Jstar stfu. You act like Islam is forced on people. People CHOOSE to follow a particular religion whether it be Islam or Buddhism. Take your shitty crap and stuff it up your ignorant ass.

Islam or any other religion may not be forced onto people when not extreme, but they are surely forced down the throats of childern arn't they, even you can't deny that. And shouldn't childern be given choice?

@John kill the infidels? Only a select few Muslims for the past 20 years have been killing the infidels. Stop basing your perceptions on what a select few people do and their actions in the last 20 years. Base your perceptions on the fact that Islam has infact been one of the most tolerant religions in history. While Christians were frenzied with the fact that Muslim Moors and Jews were living in Spain and capturing the Holy Land, Islam was promoting the philosophies of Plato and Aristole. While Chinese Confucians were busy condemning European Christians and and Japanese Shintoists were violently persecuting Japanese Christians, Islam was trading with the City-states and Kingdoms of Sub-Saharan Africa and introducing new technological advances and ideas to the Animist Africans.

All my reasoning comes from thier Book the book that they are suppose to follow 100% right? If they pick and choose what they want to believe would it not deem them hypocrites? Seeing as the book has not change for the last hundred years or so. I am not comparing culture's here.

[.Banshee]

No one can force anything on anyone. It's called being an individual, don't give me that forced shit. The only reason they continue to follow Islam is because they choose to believe it. I was born a Muslim and I am an Agnostic now. My parents were certainly religious but when it comes down to it, it's the competence and choice of the person that matters.

[John_Doe]

No one can force anything on anyone. It's called being an individual, don't give me that forced shit. The only reason they continue to follow Islam is because they choose to believe it. I was born a Muslim and I am an Agnostic now. My parents were certainly religious but when it comes down to it, it's the competence and choice of the person that matters.

Well your parent's arn't very devoted Muslims than letting you live when thier book clearly states you deserve death.

[.Banshee]

John, let's get something straight. Please in direct quotations from a reputable source tell me where it says "Kill the infidels". As a matter of fact, Christians and Jews are known as "People of the Book" in the Quran and are believed to be among the purest of people. Unlike the Christians who devote so much energy to crushing the culture of the conquered and forcing them to conform, Islam has mostly been tolerant of other ideologies. Don't judge a whole community based on what a few people do and what your propaganda tells you. I'm not saying that the Quran is spotless and whatnot,but let's be for real all religious texts have contradictions within them, and it's all right to point them out, but what is absolutely not right is to judge and stereotype a whole group of people based on their religion and ideologies, because guess what, that is what the Nazis did to the Jews and the communists and the gypsies and the homosexuals. It's okay if you have different opinions from other people, but it is not okay when you blatantly disrespect other people because of them. And to end your Killing bullshit, I don't see Muslims stoning Hindus and Buddhists to death, do you?

One more thing, don't Farking go about questioning my parents devotion to their religion. Because guess what? It ultimately comes down to ME. They don't have a choice in what I believe in, do you know why? Because I'm an individual with a mind of my own and I'm Farking grown.

[Achilles990]

The sad part is that we all belong to the same god and he forgot to tell us, only problem we never got his name right, and damn jews and muslim which i cant tell aprt from each other, They dont belive in Jesus not cool!!

I always try not say a word about muslims and jews cuz i got freinds who are jews and muslims. But if a muslim kills one poor inocent jew is ok, but if a jew kills one poor inocent muslims is war WTF...worse part they both look the same(wierd cloths) they never shaved, they write from left to right and they have the same color skin, and both dont belive in Jesus...

If i was you guys i woudnt real say much about terrorist, i know there horroble and shit, but if your christian dude Templars were terrorits, Spanish conquistaor were terrorits. What i mean is that muslims wont kill you if you become a muslim, what did templar and spanish did turn christian or die!!

We are all the same!!

God made men equaly!

[John_Doe]

John, let's get something straight. Please in direct quotations from a reputable source tell me where it says "Kill the infidels". Do I really have to Quote from the Koran for you? As a matter of fact, Christians and Jews are known as "People of the Book" in the Quran and are believed to be among the purest of people.
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0284:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.

Unlike the Christians who devote so much energy to crushing the culture of the conquered and forcing them to conform, Islam has mostly been tolerant of other ideologies. Don't judge a whole community based on what a few people do and what your propaganda tells you. I nevered said anything about judging based on a bunch of people, all my reasoning comes from their suppose holy text. I'm not saying that the Quran is spotless and whatnot,but let's be for real all religious texts have contradictions within them, and it's all right to point them out, but what is absolutely not right is to judge and stereotype a whole group of people based on their religion and ideologies, because guess what, that is what the Nazis did to the Jews and the communists and the gypsies and the homosexuals. Again my judgement comes from the understanding of their holy book, I could care less about what they believe if it weren't organized beliefs/religion. It's okay if you have different opinions from other people, but it is not okay when you blatantly disrespect other people because of them. Yes and it ok for them cause of their holy book to excute people because of thier suppose god. And to end your Killing bullshit, I don't see Muslims stoning Hindus and Buddhists to death, do you? That clearly show how much of a hypocrites they are seeing as their suppose to follow that book. They claim the book is the only book yet they don't follow it completely.

One more thing, don't Farking go about questioning my parents devotion to their religion. I'm not questioning it merely stateing the obvious, The Koran says you deserve death, and they didn't enforce it did they? Because guess what? It ultimately comes down to ME. They don't have a choice in what I believe in, do you know why? Because I'm an individual with a mind of my own and I'm Farking grown. Yes I'm really happy you found some ideaology you like, do I care nope, but your ignorance of child indoctrination is sad.

Their religion aside do I have a problem with Muslims, no, I could care less, my beef is with their religious text and the hypocrisy it creats. Also the difference about my opinions and theirs is mines arn't a fully organized entity/religion, mines arn't written in a book and force fed to the masses, mines don't condemn people to eternal damnation, mines arn't above the Law of society.

[John_Doe]

John is a trained Atheist. no doubt about that. he's useless to talk with. your mind is brain washed to see Islam for the "hypocrisy it creats".

and lol, you gave me fuckin wikipedia as a source? lol again. Fine if you want to play the wiki card so you can mask your ignorance fine by me.

It's wasting e-space talking to you. If you want to know about Islam, go look for a book from an Arab/Turkish or any other Muslim author that has been translated to English or was originally in English written by an English speaking Muslim.\ What I can't learn it from the Koran?

If you've realized I don't start these convos. I've learned that talking about religion on the internet is useless. It's just people like you that go and say

"Islam makes women slaves" "Islam supports terrorism". or that "Banshee" deserves to die because he's not Muslim. I am merely stating according to your Koran Banshee deserves to die because he commit apostasy. Do I agree no, does your Koran agree yes. Is it my fault if I state what your Koran says?

If that was fuckin true, then why isn't every Muslim slaughtering every non-muslim out there? Because their a bunch of hyprocrites they pick and choose what they want to believe. That includes Christians and anyother religious person.Or why didn't Great Islamic Empires rage on every non-Muslim country they saw? On the contrary, Ottaman Empire granted every right of freedom on the non-Muslims in their country. We even SAVED the Jews from the Spanish when they were torturing them. Don't tell me non-Muslim people deserve to die. No one's advocating death to Muslims, your putting words in my mouth there, I am addressing your holy Text and it alone.

Those are what I can't stand. No one gives a **** about your thoughts about any religion and unless you want to hear our "religious text", then I suggest you keep your mouth shut. Again isn't the Koran your religious Text so what other are there? What can I get from you that I can't get from having read your Koran?

Also the difference about my opinions and theirs is mines arn't a fully organized entity/religion, mines arn't written in a book and force fed to the masses, mines don't condemn people to eternal damnation, mines arn't above the Law of society.

Also, no one in the world gives a **** about your opinions. Your opinions mean nothin to anyone. 1 person's views from 7 billion people is like 1 ant dieing in the world. No one cares. Ignorance and stupidity at it best, than so be it follow your Koran. Assuming your following the Koran.

[MrJoey]

Lol, the levels of stupidity just keep getting higher and higher.

[John_Doe]

Lol, the levels of stupidity just keep getting higher and higher.

State your reason? Obvious troll is obvious.

@Ofy do you even read your Holy book?

[Barotix]

I'm pretty sure that verse says Non-Muslims will burn in hell not kill Non-Muslims, much like in John Jesus keeps repeating that those without him will burn in hell. John, your ENTIRE argument was based on a misconception.

he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire

Pretty damn straight forward tbfh, I'm not a Muslim but it looks like you purposely misconstrued a verse from their holy book to argue a point that is ill-supported. It's not like the old testament where it specifies if someone does "X" action stone them. You have to be kidding me if you got "kill the infidel" from that verse. Are you serious? I'm in complete disbelief right now, just loling so hard. Holy shit, I can't even get off that verse. How in the world.

but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief)

Spiritually dead, it means they're spiritually dead in their sin. If they do not accept that there is only one God and Muhammed is his prophet they die in their sin and burn in hell. It's a recurring theme in all abrahamic religions <minus the Muhammed part>. "Don't accept this? God loves you but sends you to hell." <~~~ That is the basis.

For Christians it's Jesus Christ. I don't see how anyone could get "kill the infidel" from that. I'm sorry, years of being force-fed Christianity has given me the ability to spot obvious spin-offs of the New Testament.

[John_Doe]

I'm pretty sure that verse says Non-Muslims will burn in hell not kill Non-Muslims, much like in John Jesus keeps repeating that those without him will burn in hell. John, your ENTIRE argument was based on a misconception.

he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire

Pretty damn straight forward tbfh, I'm not a Muslim but it looks like you purposely misconstrued a verse from their holy book to argue a point that is ill-supported. It's not like the old testament where it specifies if someone does "X" action stone them. You have to be kidding me if you got "kill the infidel" from that verse. Are you serious? I'm in complete disbelief right now, just loling so hard. Holy shit, I can't even get off that verse. How in the world. If you read the statement before it that verse is suppose to contradict the "Christians and Jews are known as "People of the Book" in the Quran and are believed to be among the purest of people" it had nothing to do with my original "kill the infidels or death cause of apostasy"

Next time read more I expect better from you Baro. If you thought that verse was suppose to support my death to the infidels or death cause of apostasy points than I'm sorry you misunderstood.

[Barotix]

I'm pretty sure that verse says Non-Muslims will burn in hell not kill Non-Muslims, much like in John Jesus keeps repeating that those without him will burn in hell. John, your ENTIRE argument was based on a misconception.

he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire

Pretty damn straight forward tbfh, I'm not a Muslim but it looks like you purposely misconstrued a verse from their holy book to argue a point that is ill-supported. It's not like the old testament where it specifies if someone does "X" action stone them. You have to be kidding me if you got "kill the infidel" from that verse. Are you serious? I'm in complete disbelief right now, just loling so hard. Holy shit, I can't even get off that verse. How in the world. If you read the statement before it that verse is suppose to contradict the "Christians and Jews are known as "People of the Book" in the Quran and are believed to be among the purest of people" it had nothing to do with my original "kill the infidels or death cause of apostasy"

Next time read more I expect better from you Baro.

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.

Once again, WRONG.

Those among Christians and Jews who do not believe in Muhammed's Message, there is only one God, die - spiritually - in their sin and are sent to Hell.

Not ALL Christians and Jews, just those who claim to be Christian or Jewesh but are in fact Atheist [i.e.] Christians/Jews in name alone are damned to hell. The Christians and Jews whom believe in "The One and Only God" aren't damned to hell. There is a clear distinction. Try again.

[John_Doe]

Wait I'm loss now what are you trying to point out?

[Strwarrior]

@Deedee, thats not even a "Muslim" girl, its stupidness from u to post that shit.
and she wont "stop hiding her prettiness" to an idiot like you, nor any another guy.

Well thats too bad, you've disappointed me in two ways =l
This is now my opinion of Muslim girls. Why are they so SRS Q__Q we just want to see them for who they are, not who they believe in.
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damn thats very bad photoshop or w/e is it.
h/e they look, at least we dont have a wife cheating on her husband, or a guy cheating on his wife.

@Ofy do you even read your Holy book?

do u even know what it says? u think u know what it says? lol

Christians/Jews in name alone are damned to hell. The Christians and Jews whom believe in "The One and Only God" aren't damned to hell.

wrong, no1 said that, no one knows if thats true or wrong.

[John_Doe]

@Ofy do you even read your Holy book?

do u even know what it says? u think u know what it says? lol

Don't be a smartass.

[Barotix]

Wait I'm loss now what are you trying to point out?

1. he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me
2. but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief
3. he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire

1]People amongst Christians/Jews [i.e.] those who say they Believe in the God of Abraham
2]but do not believe Muhammed's message, there is only one god - the God of Abraham <That is his message.
3]Those - and only those -who claim to believe but don't believe - are damned to hell Because: they are spiritually dead in their sin - not believing there is only one god - the God of Abraham - is a sin amongst Abrahamic religions.

tl;dr, closet atheist are damned to hell. "Hypocrites" -actors, pretenders, phonies- are damned.

The bible says the same thing but uses the term Gentiles and instead of God they refer to Jesus Christ.

[John_Doe]

Arn't athiest damned in every religion that has a god?

[Barotix]

Arn't athiest damned in every religion that has a god?

Yes, but they like to remind us we're damned. lololol. Though, in this case they're specifying closet atheist.

[Achilles990]

Is it too late be a polytheistic.

[Doppleganger]

Arn't athiest damned in every religion that has a god?

Hellz yeah!! High Five!