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Strwarrior wrote:thats what ur father or mother learns u when u are small kid, but when u are big, u can understand, search, think, and find.
some people did that ended muslims, or agreeing with muslims.
u can say im not spreading islam here, but those things happened, fact.

Yet there are also Muslims who, even after learning the "truth", convert to other religions which have also convinced them that the reaaaal truth is over there. Like I said, if religion makes you happy, then I'm happy that you're happy. But you guys are usually not happy until I'm happy too.

And no, you're most definitely not spreading Islam here. In fact, you and ofy may have put me off Islam for the rest of my life so I'll never be a Muslim! Yep, you guys are goin straight to hell for that. :twisted:

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XemnasXD wrote:You can clearly read stories in the Quran that are just edited versions of the exact same stories from either the Bible or the Torah, both predate the Quran...

stories? its not the only thing in quran, and its not edited.
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Fug_Dup wrote:And no, you're most definitely not spreading Islam here. In fact, you and ofy may have put me off Islam for the rest of my life so I'll never be a Muslim! Yep, you guys are goin straight to hell for that. :twisted:


thats so bad >.<, maybe i cant explain well, english is not my main language, and my job is not to get u in Islam, i hope u can be a muslim, yes, that can make me happy, but u should search and see, my English sucks to spread a religion.
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So when they change the names of the people and then just add more words to it you don't call that an edit...
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XemnasXD wrote:So when they change the names of the people and then just add more words to it you don't call that an edit...

example?, who said the one in bible or Torah is true?
stories are same.. i dont really know what stories are u talking about, Mohammed himself is not allowed to "Add" any word in Quran without Allah telling him to do, Quran is not from a human, its from Allah.
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Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:So when they change the names of the people and then just add more words to it you don't call that an edit...

example?, who said the one in bible or Torah is true?
stories are same.. i dont really know what stories are u talking about, Mohammed himself is not allowed to "Add" any word in Quran without Allah telling him to do, Quran is not from a human, its from Allah.


So Allah himself write every word of it...personally...and people saw him doing it.
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XemnasXD wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:So when they change the names of the people and then just add more words to it you don't call that an edit...

example?, who said the one in bible or Torah is true?
stories are same.. i dont really know what stories are u talking about, Mohammed himself is not allowed to "Add" any word in Quran without Allah telling him to do, Quran is not from a human, its from Allah.


So Allah himself write every word of it...personally...and people saw him doing it.


No, but it's right from Allah, no editing, promise, my state told me so!
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XemnasXD wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:So when they change the names of the people and then just add more words to it you don't call that an edit...

example?, who said the one in bible or Torah is true?
stories are same.. i dont really know what stories are u talking about, Mohammed himself is not allowed to "Add" any word in Quran without Allah telling him to do, Quran is not from a human, its from Allah.


So Allah himself write every word of it...personally...and people saw him doing it.

This is silly.


i dont know how to say this well, but there is "Ways" to "Send" to Mohammed what Allah says.






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So you don't know if Allah wrote it. All you know is that Mohammad wrote it and said it was from Allah...and technically do you even know that, i mean is there unbiased documentation of Mohammad actually writing this all himself...
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XemnasXD wrote:So you don't know if Allah wrote it. All you know is that Mohammad wrote it and said it was from Allah...and technically do you even know that, i mean is there unbiased documentation of Mohammad actually writing this all himself...

Mohammad couldnt write or read, he didnt learn to.
in Quran there was somethings a normal human cant say, or write it himself.
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like what?
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XemnasXD wrote:like what?

saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.
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Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:like what?

saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.


I logged in just for this.

Please give a quote and reference and then validation of this hilarious, stupid claim and then list the portion of the book which this/these quotes are from so we can look at the context of the whole passage and not be skewed by singled out quotes.

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Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:like what?

saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.

If you believe me, Ouija spirits could also predictions. Lots of prophets nowadays could also predict the future, with the help of spirits or their 6th sense. By establish a connection with the spirits, you tunnel to another dimension of the universe, in different time, where live superior entities.
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Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:You can clearly read stories in the Quran that are just edited versions of the exact same stories from either the Bible or the Torah, both predate the Quran...

stories? its not the only thing in quran, and its not edited.


Indeed. Your Quran, also Bible and Koran are full of stories whitout any proven link to reality which kills the meaning of religions for me.

And your conversations with xemnas makes me smile from the bottom of my heart. Your story is one big contradiction. As well this Quran could have been made by some drunk who just couldn't figure anything better to do.
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DumboDii wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:You can clearly read stories in the Quran that are just edited versions of the exact same stories from either the Bible or the Torah, both predate the Quran...

stories? its not the only thing in quran, and its not edited.


Indeed. Your Quran, also Bible and Koran are full of stories whitout any proven link to reality which kills the meaning of religions for me.

And your conversations with xemnas makes me smile from the bottom of my heart. Your story is one big contradiction. As well this Quran could have been made by some drunk who just couldn't figure anything better to do.


Speculation is limitless so yeah, it "could", but most people who could write in that age we're most likely already in a Priesthood or Academics, not drunks. Just saying...

But everything ever written was written by man, from man, for man.

That's the end of it. That's absolute.
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NuclearSilo wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:like what?

saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.

If you believe me, Ouija spirits could also predictions. Lots of prophets nowadays could also predict the future, with the help of spirits or their 6th sense. By establish a connection with the spirits, you tunnel to another dimension of the universe, in different time, where live superior entities.


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SnowShael wrote:Speculation is limitless so yeah, it "could", but most people who could write in that age we're most likely already in a Priesthood or Academics, not drunks. Just saying...

But everything ever written was written by man, from man, for man.

That's the end of it. That's absolute.


I know what you mean but I didn't mean the drunk part that literally. :wink:
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NuclearSilo wrote:If you believe me, Ouija spirits could also predictions. Lots of prophets nowadays could also predict the future, with the help of spirits or their 6th sense. By establish a connection with the spirits, you tunnel to another dimension of the universe, in different time, where live superior entities.

I, for one, would love a lifetime supply of whatever you're popping.

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Fug_Dup wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:If you believe me, Ouija spirits could also predictions. Lots of prophets nowadays could also predict the future, with the help of spirits or their 6th sense. By establish a connection with the spirits, you tunnel to another dimension of the universe, in different time, where live superior entities.

I, for one, would love a lifetime supply of whatever you're popping.

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ofy1993 wrote:Well Promtetheus, look at it this way.

John asks what's your view on alcohol. Someone comes and says its a sin because it has been drunk by bad people at 400s and that it's bad because it has grapes.

Since this is wrong info, John, that didn't know the actual answer, could believe this. When he does think it's true, he would find Islam extremely ridicilous. If he finds Islam extremely ridicilous, he'll always have wrong views about it. His chance of converting lessens everytime he tells this to one of his fellow Cristians/atheists. So indirectly, you would affect John's life and would be asked why you mislead someone (spoke without truly knowing).

That's why, one of the hardest jobs as a Muslim is actually spreading Islam. There are TV shows in Turkey about Islam. One or two of them are allmost watched by everyone. If the guy hosting it (the religious guy) gives one wrong info (like let's say that he said kissing girls in the hand is ok) and if everyone in Turkey believes this sine every other thing he says is true, whenever anyone kisses a girls hands, he and the host of that TV show would get sinned for it. Getting the sins of 70 million people = not good ^^

you dare tl;dr >->


Well if the TV host lied and said that it's ok to kiss a girl's hand, and everyone started kissing girls' hands, I guess the host would be at fault similarly to if I told people it was ok to murder, and they go out and murder people, I'd have the blood of hundreds/thousands of people on my hands so to speak.

Now what happens if that host comes to America and starts learning English. Once he feels he's fluent enough in the language, he tries to tell a TV audience in America that it's wrong to kiss a girl's hand (in the Muslim faith). Since the words get lost in translation, he mistakenly tells everyone it's ok to break a girl's leg (in the Muslim faith). So hundreds of people that want to convert to being a Muslim start breaking some legs because they think that's the way of things. The host said "it's wrong to kiss a girl's hand" but his words were lost in the translation. Is he still at fault?

I don't know. My point is I'd think if you're sincerely trying to spread the 'facts' of your faith, it should be ok (like someone on SRF trying to explain Buddhism but his words getting mixed up in translation). If instead the host is purposely trying to mislead people, then there's a problem.

Granted, I'm not Muslim and know nothing about their ways of thinking, so I could be way off base here. :)

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That question can't really be answered with a yes or no response. If I say 'yes' I'm implying that there is something wrong with my skin color, that it's perhaps a disease and it can be cured. If I say 'no', I'm implying that my skin color is a disease that can't be cured. Since skin color is not a disease, neither of those two answers are really valid.

It's like asking "If God is all powerful, can he create a mountain so big that he cannot move it?"
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XemnasXD wrote:Can you cure your skin color, if so whats the cure, what does the cure do to your skin color to cure it.

I finally found the answer! Jaundiced skin color can be cured by fixing the liver (same for Jaundiced eyes) ^_^ I win.
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SnowShael wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:like what?

saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.


I logged in just for this.

Please give a quote and reference and then validation of this hilarious, stupid claim and then list the portion of the book which this/these quotes are from so we can look at the context of the whole passage and not be skewed by singled out quotes.

YOU ASKED FOR IT, ITS TIME TO DEBATE TEENAGERS.

search some pages behind, some1 posted a vid, and im a bad translator to give u quotes and such.

to all, i dont have to prove anything to u, believe what ever u like, its up to u, i didnt tell u be a muslim, if u dont believe in anything, just respect others beliefs.
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PR0METHEUS wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:Can you cure your skin color, if so whats the cure, what does the cure do to your skin color to cure it.


That question can't really be answered with a yes or no response. If I say 'yes' I'm implying that there is something wrong with my skin color, that it's perhaps a disease and it can be cured. If I say 'no', I'm implying that my skin color is a disease that can't be cured. Since skin color is not a disease, neither of those two answers are really valid.

It's like asking "If God is all powerful, can he create a mountain so big that he cannot move it?"


Its a simple answer. Either you think there is something wrong with your skin color and it can be cured or skin color is not something is possible to cure because there is nothing wrong with it. No need to make mountains out of mole hills for this.
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ofy1993 wrote:
SnowShael wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:saying somethings gonna happen in future, and it happened, proofs that Mohammad is a "Messenger" (sry i couldnt find a better word :S) from allah are alot.
the way arabic was used in quran(dunno how to explain this, but i mean how its said, words, etc) is something impossible to do from some1 who doesnt know how to read or write.


I logged in just for this.

Please give a quote and reference and then validation of this hilarious, stupid claim and then list the portion of the book which this/these quotes are from so we can look at the context of the whole passage and not be skewed by singled out quotes.

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this was I was told you to stop str. You really did ASK for it but now you're not prepared for your answers. Fail >->

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Strwarrior wrote:there is a vid, he can watch it, dont fail me menz!

You should stop your just contradicting yourself now.
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John_Doe wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:there is a vid, he can watch it, dont fail me menz!

You should stop your just contradicting yourself now.

because i cant use english well, or cant translate arabic to english well?
i cant translate well so i cant do anything about it, if u want to see some proofs go search, im not giving u any
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Whoa, way out of topic and about the gay thing, it can be biologically explained
Testosteron and estrogene is present in both males and females, by ur sexy u can guess the amount of each on a body. Sometimes an unbalance happens and throws the things offscale say if a man had more estrogene than testosterone he would start growing what we call "man boobs" and affect both physically and pshycologically the body, same for women more testosterone than estrogene and thus the butch biker is born

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ofy1993 wrote:
septimus wrote:Whoa, way out of topic and about the gay thing, it can be biologically explained
Testosteron and estrogene is present in both males and females, by ur sexy u can guess the amount of each on a body. Sometimes an unbalance happens and throws the things offscale say if a man had more estrogene than testosterone he would start growing what we call "man boobs" and affect both physically and pshycologically the body, same for women more testosterone than estrogene and thus the butch biker is born


so you just beat hundreds of scientists out there who STILL can't prove that homosexuality is from special hormones and turn it into a law?



i didnt beat any scientist this was an experiment done on humans i read it on a biology book. and for it to be turn into a law is going way over the top u know about gravity but its only known as "gravitational theory" and dude thats what drag queens do, they take estrogen pills so they can develop their mamary glands.
Im not saying that homosexuality is ONLY caused by hormonal change, as i said it also affect psycologically. Being gay may also be a choice.

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ofy1993 wrote:
septimus wrote: and for it to be turn into a law is going way over the top u know about gravity but its only known as "gravitational theory"


Oh boy this could grow into a huge thread about gravity, gravitational, and Newton's law of gravitation.

The word gravity may be a theory. But it is a fact, a law that Earth has a force that pulls objects with masses toward it. This act is defined by the theory "gravity".

There isn't a fact or law that every human HAS to accept homosexuality is in hormones. It's still in possibilty stage.


true, but the options arent that many and i completely agree.
Also i never said they had to agree, im just saying hormonal change and sexual behavior are interlaced and it can be altered.

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