Religion

[Sav]

i've looked at your post. The only fact based statement you made is when you posted literal definitions and even then you were getting words mixed up...like i said i'll humor you on the topic but i've been down this road on this forum before against people who made a better argument than you...i'll post a link there and you can read all about it...you won't cause you don't care...but i'll post it so at least i have some credibility and facts behind me to shut you up....

Here was a discussion that veered into the topic of whether homosexuality was a choice or not...enjoy...

Gays and Muslims

you can say what you like, but i did go thru all 4 pages/read sources, at the end, there isn't much progress, yes i agree there isn't much proof that having a choice, but at the same time, there isn't a large, widespread proof on being born gay either (scanning thru the topic i was hoping for some sort of scientific paper or such, i was disappointed, no actual direct research was posted). the first page stated something about gays having a choice only to lie and not be killed/injured, and i gave the example of my friends who came out the closet, which i don't 100% know if they came out the closet because they felt comfortable at that time to tell their parents but knew all along they were gay, never asked, so don't know. let's c...trying to remember what else...that's it for now...i ended up reading this before sleeping...so if i can think of something else (which i prob will) ill edit this post. (edit here)majority of the data or backup mentioned in the other discussion was mainly from animals if im right? Yes it's very much possible that humans can also on rare cases undergo mutation and become homosexual, but human socialism is so different, it's difficult to simply say that "cuz some animals are gay, that so can humans be." lets c what else...oh yes...Iran...nation led by holy men yet still contains homosexuals. Well i get the point that homosexuals would appear in a society so closely tied to their relgious views of homosexuality being wrong. But thinking about it, in most Muslim nations, both sexes generally spend most of their time socializing with ppl of the same sex, it's possible (if statement) that all that time spent with the same sex may lead to the person begin to be attracted to the sex. Sorta like a drug addict living his life with those living clean lives, it's possible (if statement) that he may at some point or another drop drugs from his life and go clean...let's c that's all i can think of atm, i'm sure something else will come up thru the day and i'll edit this


all i'd say, i was misinformed or at least not updated to latest scientific research, my fault?, sure, but only due to me having low interest in this area and having other things on my mind to worry about.

for all those homosexuals who are living a life they wish they could change and feel they can't do nothing about it to change it or have undergone depression/other psychological effects over this battle, i apologize

and as far as it goes for you xemnas, you should of just posted that in the first place, i'm open for discussion and accepting new ideas, i'm very far from living in a cave

but for summary, i'd still call both results (choice or biological) as theories, until i see further evidence, although if any evidence is produced (scientifically) i'm sure it will be more biological based than psychological.

[Strwarrior]

Are you really suggesting that Islamic people in Islam teach thier childern about all other religions besides Islam?

i didnt say we learn them christian or hindu.

Your already dead lock on the view that your religion is correct

prove that islam is incorrect then, and say something real, not something from what tv or internet fakes.

Why do you need to pray to something or follow something in the first place?

because god created u.

That's not really a choose if thier's just one anwser is it, so just goes to show how much your freewill point was redundant.

some people came to an islamic countries and learnt islam, if u want to learn Christian and see their points, go to a Christian country and see what they say, thats not forbidden, u will see that islam is better.

Gays choose to be gays, god doesnt punish u for being a gay, and u are born gay, so, u CHOOSE it.

i'd still call both results (choice or biological) as theories

can u punish some1 for being blind? he is born blind, he didnt do something wrong, god doesnt punish u for being a gay, u choose to be gay, god punishes u.

[pr0klobster]

As usual, a simple question "What religion are you" turns into people dissing other people's opinions/beliefs. I'm just waiting for the flame war.

[inky]

As soon as I saw the thread title yesterday, I already knew it's going to turn into a flaming debate. It's a hot button issue =p

[Strwarrior]

To Sav and Strwarrior. Please stop trying. Your use of words, especially against people like Xemnas and Joe which are clearly native English speakers mean A LOT. One wrong word and you could be teaching our religion wrong and that's a big sin as well because you might affect John and Xemnas becoming muslim forever and you could suffer from that sin (haq).
Sorry for the big font >->

sry , my english is not good as john or xemnas, but im trying not to say something wrong >.<,
sry if i did

[SidiousX]

I was born a catholic, but I don't follow it.

[Strwarrior]

To Sav and Strwarrior. Please stop trying. Your use of words, especially against people like Xemnas and Joe which are clearly native English speakers mean A LOT. One wrong word and you could be teaching our religion wrong and that's a big sin as well because you might affect John and Xemnas becoming muslim forever and you could suffer from that sin (haq).
Sorry for the big font >->

sry , my english is not good as john or xemnas, but im trying not to say something wrong >.<,
sry if i did

nah it's np. my English is not perfect as well and I sometimes can mislead (learned form experience) so I try as much as I can not to talk.

but it's better not to discuss religion over the internet at all.

wasn't there like a religon 50 pages + thread that got locked?

well, i also try not to talk, but when it comes to a real big fake things, it just annoys me.

anyways this thread is gonna be locked or cleaned soon.

[strangelove]

@strwarrior There is no real reason for choosing Islam over Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism. You just happened to have been born into a family that followed Islamic teachings and traditions as opposed to teachings of other faiths. It was a mere accident of birth that you happened to have been brought up Muslim, so how can say without a trace of doubt that Islam is the one true faith? Do you think you'd still believe Islam was the only true faith if you had been brought up Christian or Hindu? It's very arrogant of you to claim that title for Islam when many other religions would also like to hold that title for themselves and have claims just as convincing if not more so than yours.

In the words of the late George Carlin talking about militaries of different countries praying to God, "Somebody's gonna be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their **cking time. Could it be.. everyone?"

OT: Brought up Catholic, but Atheist now. If religion makes some people happy, then I'm happy for them. Good for them.

Just one thing though-- keep your illusions to yourself.

[PR0METHEUS]

To Sav and Strwarrior. Please stop trying. Your use of words, especially against people like Xemnas and Joe which are clearly native English speakers mean A LOT. One wrong word and you could be teaching our religion wrong and that's a big sin as well because you might affect John and Xemnas becoming muslim forever and you could suffer from that sin (haq).
Sorry for the big font >->

sry , my english is not good as john or xemnas, but im trying not to say something wrong >.<,
sry if i did

I wouldn't worry too much. I'd hate to think that a god of any religion would punish you for incorrectly translating topics regarding your religion to a language you are not completely fluent in. At least you're trying to share your ideas.

[Ashikiheyun]

why u know something is true and then reject it?

i would like to ask a question. what if i am born to a family of muslim, but i never agree, therefore i never left something i "knew" was true, would i be subject to death?

u didnt even believe at 1st.
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i think its already discussed and muslims said they are not welcome, there is no homosexuals in muslims world, if u want to be a homosexual and muslim at the same time you cant, u can only choose ONE.
i dont even understand how people be gays, thats really disgusting.

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why u know something is true and then reject it?

Again your already asking us to accept that religion is correct/truth. When it is not

when u be a muslim u will know its true.

Wow, you fucking ignorant asshole. I never really had anything against you and I try not to judge people based on their religion, but seriously? Get the fuck out.

Damn that is ridiculous, ignorance ftw for you I guess.

[Krevidy]

@Strwarrior.
God did not create me, nor anyone of you. You created yourself, by beating everyone else 'x' years ago. We all are, winners.

[Isis]

I think everyone should be able to choose what they want to believe in and not forced into something that they don't want to. My mum bought me up to believe in what I wanted, so I choose not to have a religion.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

1. Go to fedex
2. Print label on book

3. Go to library/bookstore/place of worship/x-religion here outlet
4. Put label on all religious books
5. ???
6. Epic Lulz ensue.

[Sav]

To Sav and Strwarrior. Please stop trying. Your use of words, especially against people like Xemnas and Joe which are clearly native English speakers mean A LOT. One wrong word and you could be teaching our religion wrong and that's a big sin as well because you might affect John and Xemnas becoming muslim forever and you could suffer from that sin (haq).

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Sorry for the big font >->

i have no interest in spreading Islam to anyone, I just don't like for all Muslim's to be marked as terrorists, as far as beliefs go on homosexuality, marriages with non-Muslims, i have no idea, so i won't bother to add anything into the discussion

[Reise]

@Reise can skin color be cured? Can eye color be cured? Can facial features be cured?

I dunno. People do some funky shit with livestock and plants these days.

[XemnasXD]

@Reise can skin color be cured? Can eye color be cured? Can facial features be cured?

I dunno. People do some funky shit with livestock and plants these days.

Would you say there is a cure for your skin color. A cure for your eye color. A cure for your facial features. Im not talking in general now, If someone said they could cure your skin color what would you think of that, would even consider it possible.

[Reise]

Well of course there's no "cure" for any of those things.

I said it to piss you off.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

@Reise can skin color be cured? Can eye color be cured? Can facial features be cured?

I dunno. People do some funky shit with livestock and plants these days.

Would you say there is a cure for your skin color. A cure for your eye color. A cure for your facial features. Im not talking in general now, If someone said they could cure your skin color what would you think of that, would even consider it possible.

Of course "curing" is possible, "cure" is just the wrong word to use. Its not a "nice" or "ethical" way of saying it, but its understood.

[XemnasXD]

Of course "curing" is possible, "cure" is just the wrong word to use. Its not a "nice" or "ethical" way of saying it, but its understood.

than whats the unethical word for it.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

Of course "curing" is possible, "cure" is just the wrong word to use. Its not a "nice" or "ethical" way of saying it, but its understood.

than whats the unethical word for it.

Cure was the unethical word. Changed would be a better one. Altered, edited would be better choices.

[XemnasXD]

Of course "curing" is possible, "cure" is just the wrong word to use. Its not a "nice" or "ethical" way of saying it, but its understood.

than whats the unethical word for it.

Cure was the unethical word. Changed would be a better one. Altered, edited would be better choices.

that wasn't the question. We weren't asking if something could be changed or altered. We asked if it could be cured. Changed, altered, edit, and cured are not synonyms, something this forum seems to be having trouble with lately. The word cure is used for a reason. You cure diseases and ailments, you don't change alter or edit them...

So back to the original question. Can you cure your skin color, if so whats the cure, what does the cure do to your skin color to cure it.

[XxDeeDeeDeexX]

Quote Pyramid

So back to the original question. Can you cure your skin color...

I understand that, no you can't >_>. I just thought maybe the person that asked reise the questions had a language barrier problem. I really can't say much about this topic. I can't read the Qua'ran, so I can't state opinions about it. I can only take information from purely video footage.

[XemnasXD]

reise was trolling...

[Strwarrior]

Wow, you Farking ignorant asshole. I never really had anything against you and I try not to judge people based on their religion, but seriously? Get the **** out.

Damn that is ridiculous, ignorance ftw for you I guess.

too much hate, lol, idc if u like what i say or no, a day will come and u will see.

@strwarrior There is no real reason for choosing Islam over Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism. You just happened to have been born into a family that followed Islamic teachings and traditions as opposed to teachings of other faiths. It was a mere accident of birth that you happened to have been brought up Muslim, so how can say without a trace of doubt that Islam is the one true faith? Do you think you'd still believe Islam was the only true faith if you had been brought up Christian or Hindu? It's very arrogant of you to claim that title for Islam when many other religions would also like to hold that title for themselves and have claims just as convincing if not more so than yours.

thats what ur father or mother learns u when u are small kid, but when u are big, u can understand, search, think, and find.
some people did that ended muslims, or agreeing with muslims.
u can say im not spreading islam here, but those things happened, fact.

[NuclearSilo]

There is no real/fake religion, all religion refer to the same God, so it doesn't matter if they are called differently or not.

There is a disease that could change your skin color and another change your eyes color.

[Strwarrior]

There is no real/fake religion, all religion refer to the same God, so it doesn't matter if they are called differently or not.

true, Jewish, Christian, Islam, refer to the same god, was send by the same god(the only1),
but both Jewish and Christian are editing in the books, delete, add.. etc

[XemnasXD]

There is no real/fake religion, all religion refer to the same God, so it doesn't matter if they are called differently or not.

true, Jewish, Christian, Islam, refer to the same god, was send by the same god(the only1),
but both Jewish and Christian are editing in the books, delete, add.. etc

Quran is just an edited version of of the Bible and the Torah...

[TheDrop]

Please keep it clean and respectfull !

Please keep it clean and respectfull !

Please keep it clean and respectfull !

Please keep it clean and respectfull !

Please keep it clean and respectfull !

So this thread turned from a "what religion are you?" thread --> athiest vs. religion ->>> atheist have no morals ---> islam vs. homosexuals ---> homosexuality biological or not --->curing eye/hair color ---> islam > all religion cuz they have "unedited books".

SRF

[Strwarrior]

true, Jewish, Christian, Islam, refer to the same god, was send by the same god(the only1),
but both Jewish and Christian are editing in the books, delete, add.. etc

don't say stuff without backing them up with facts. this was what I was meaning.

you also have to remember even though we refer to the same "God", Christians add 2 more Gods beside him so not all religions follow 1 God.

really? thats new info to me :S sry >.<

Quran is just an edited version of of the Bible and the Torah...

wrong.

[XemnasXD]

You can clearly read stories in the Quran that are just edited versions of the exact same stories from either the Bible or the Torah, both predate the Quran...