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Sacchin wrote:Christian/Catholic all through school/high school. Didn't like it, don't like some of the teachings. I guess I'm Atheist. I like the Book of Revelations though and all that apocalyptic shit. For some reason I don't believe in heaven but a hell. Maybe because hell interests me so much, not that I'm satanic >_>

Nothing in life has led me to believe there is any kind of higher being. Sometimes I wonder if "religion" is even real or something made up to give people hope.

I guess in my view:
Be a good person in life and you won't go to hell.


And if you're a good person you: (?)


If you mean if you're a good person and die, well, nothing happens, sleep I guess, that's how I see it. Not going to hell is your reward lol
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For those of you who don't want to follow one of the established religions that worship a specific diety, there's always Dudeism. :wink:
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Prophet Izaach wrote:
Reise wrote:I've actually considered the merits of following the beliefs surrounding the Force.

All the morals with none of the boredom.


You sir, are in luck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism

Hmmm...I might just leave snakism for this... 8)
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Strwarrior wrote:why u know something is true and then reject it?

i would like to ask a question. what if i am born to a family of muslim, but i never agree, therefore i never left something i "knew" was true, would i be subject to death?


no, Islam isn't about being punished for not believing in Allah, it's not about killing everyone who doesn't follow the words of Mohammad, it's not a religion based upon violence.

terrorism and Islam, since it's been mentioned (by another). Most ppl in the Middle East are generally very religious, born into religious families, live their lives following their faith. Terrorist organizations exploit these very people who spend their life following a faith and feed them wrong information (eg. killing "infidel's" will make God happy and your family will be safe). These new recruits are told that infidels have begun invading your local mosques/temples etc. and their out to destroy everything you life your life for, your wife, kids etc. You must get rid of them by taking your life.

i think you get the picture

short summary: terrorist organizations exploit religious followers

what the western media feeds to the public is the truth mixed with some garbage, which has some entertainment value

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John_Doe wrote:
Prophet Izaach wrote:
Reise wrote:I've actually considered the merits of following the beliefs surrounding the Force.

All the morals with none of the boredom.


You sir, are in luck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism

Hmmm...I might just leave snakism for this... 8)


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CeLL wrote:
Strwarrior wrote:why u know something is true and then reject it?

i would like to ask a question. what if i am born to a family of muslim, but i never agree, therefore i never left something i "knew" was true, would i be subject to death?


no, Islam isn't about being punished for not believing in Allah, it's not about killing everyone who doesn't follow the words of Mohammad, it's not a religion based upon violence.

terrorism and Islam, since it's been mentioned (by another). Most ppl in the Middle East are generally very religious, born into religious families, live their lives following their faith. Terrorist organizations exploit these very people who spend their life following a faith and feed them wrong information (eg. killing "infidel's" will make God happy and your family will be safe). These new recruits are told that infidels have begun invading your local mosques/temples etc. and their out to destroy everything you life your life for, your wife, kids etc. You must get rid of them by taking your life.

i think you get the picture

short summary: terrorist organizations exploit religious followers

what the western media feeds to the public is the truth mixed with some garbage, which has some entertainment value

ok but strwarrior said that the punishment for leaving islam is death, so what happens to the person who was raise in it, but doesnt believe it. are they shunned from their family, community, society?
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CeLL wrote:
Sav wrote:
CeLL wrote:i would like to ask a question. what if i am born to a family of muslim, but i never agree, therefore i never left something i "knew" was true, would i be subject to death?


no, Islam isn't about being punished for not believing in Allah, it's not about killing everyone who doesn't follow the words of Mohammad, it's not a religion based upon violence.

terrorism and Islam, since it's been mentioned (by another). Most ppl in the Middle East are generally very religious, born into religious families, live their lives following their faith. Terrorist organizations exploit these very people who spend their life following a faith and feed them wrong information (eg. killing "infidel's" will make God happy and your family will be safe). These new recruits are told that infidels have begun invading your local mosques/temples etc. and their out to destroy everything you life your life for, your wife, kids etc. You must get rid of them by taking your life.

i think you get the picture

short summary: terrorist organizations exploit religious followers

what the western media feeds to the public is the truth mixed with some garbage, which has some entertainment value

ok but strwarrior said that the punishment for leaving islam is death, so what happens to the person who was raise in it, but doesnt believe it. are they shunned from their family, community, society?


i don't know tbh, i'm guessing if you lived in Saudi Arabia or some nation which has great ties with Islam/religion and so do the ppl of the country then i'd say so, but that's more due to cultural views than Islam/religion

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Attention: I'm basing my idea under the Religion "Christianity", also I also based this on my expirience and information, you could share some, and correct me, but please dont flame :)
I'm just in for the Lifestyle and the temporary peace that it makes.

If you all can see, when people are in vain, down, financially broke, got in an accident, having an operation, anything that is very very depressing and/or sad. They seek God for help and protection. Asking forgiveness at his feet, pleading for their sins to be atoned and stuff. Ask Blessings and Good Luck, Traditions and other superstitions.

But if everything is in up-see-daisy moments, and all fun, anything related to FUN or extreme happiness. Barely handful of people remembered God. Trust me, even me.

I just think of it that heavy restrictions of the Christian Religion made the whole world a bit of a better place, just like rules on the road, to avoid having an accident follow the sings and obey traffic laws. Though some Biblical rules are absurd they were somehow the back bone rule of some % of people. Technology has changed the way we live and relay information spreading 10 folds the speed of a wildfire, new excavation an discovery has change our trust and our beliefs are to fade. We mostly judge what we see and experience, rather than belief and superstition. But strangely it seams, i heard millions of people changed their life on devotion to God. From 1 of the most WANTED people who as murdered over 5 families, beheading more than 4 people, ranked Sgt. in a rebel group, soon turned to a mere Pastor frail as a feather, he in one of our Respected Regional pastors here in Mindanao, Phil. <-sounds exaggerated but its true! And in the other side of the story some people who are once the very devoted to God, becomes one that the religion feared to become the most. I have a teacher in here who was once a devoted christian, he chose to be a Priest when he graduates High school, in an unknown reason he became a drunkard, heavy smoking jerk, and just kept saying the he dont believes in God. I have no problem with that, about never believing in God, my problem is him, hes fking annoying, his friends said that he was not like that before. i care less why.

The Concept of the rules of God, was backed up by the concept that he is there in the heavens and watching you and your every move, then the concept is backed up by another concept Heaven and Hell, Heaven is the reward to those people who follow his rule and repent for their sins. Hell is the place for punishment to the sins you have done and not repented. And their and Priest and Pastors that just on reminding you about this.

Information about the world and studies that have been successfully conducted, was scarce long long ago. Relaying information at that time was hard and sometimes dangerous. People that have made a scientific breakthrough and shown to the population has sometimes end up in the stakes where people are burned because the population thought that the breakthrough was witchcraft.

Just a thought: I think that Priest took advantage of the peoples ignorance that time because the people has no idea about the information that they really need to know the most. This may be heard as a Bad thing, as for me, i think its a good thing, people those days are very vicious and chaotic, taming them would be hard and maybe dangerous.

Also in the court the Bible is used right? "tell the truth and nothing but the truth" thing? it this still present up to date? >_>

I think the concept of God is not a bad idea, having the % of people following its laws has definitely reduced the % of crime rates in some country. Just imagine without that very hard and heavy restriction that God has made for us... how chaotic the world turned out to be now?

The whole thing just came out of my head... now i'm exhausted. :P

Do i believe in God? No. I do follow his laws though... so what kind of term people used to describe me?
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Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.
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John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.

We both know they pick and choose the ones they want to follow. lol
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This is why I'm apathetic agnostic.
There is no proof that there is the existence of a god or not. If there is a god he/she/it isn't doing anything related to us right now.

You know what?
I'm gonna create my own religion. While I'm at it my own government too. We will take over California, secede from the U.S. and form the new country Altharos. Altharism will be a blend of the good morals we are all taught. We won't believe in a god. My new government will be an Imperial Republic. Where people elect a person to be emperor for a 15 year term. Every 3 years we will be able to vote whether or not we like the emperor or not and if the majority doesn't like him/her, he/she get removed from office and we vote for a new emperor.
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John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.

Pinoy_Archer wrote:I'm just in for the Lifestyle......Do i believe in God? No. I do follow his laws though...


Not all :)
only the living a nice and peaceful lifestyle that all :D
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John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.


i'm sure if there was a nation led by religious priests who set all their laws according to their religious beliefs (which allowed for above said), then this may take place, but what would the probability that someone would turn out to be a homosexual in such a society,? near none.

no matter what religion i followed, if any, i wouldn't harm anyone just becuz i was told to, by another being/tv show/book etc.

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Sav wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.


i'm sure if there was a nation led by religious priests who set all their laws according to their religious beliefs (which allowed for above said), We were it was called the Holy Roman Empire. then this may take place, but what would the probability that someone would turn out to be a homosexual in such a society,? near none. Homosexuality was pretty common back then all the way to the Romans.

no matter what religion i followed, if any, i wouldn't harm anyone just becuz i was told to, by another being/tv show/book etc.


We both know they pick and choose the ones they want to follow. lol
Your not suppose to do that in a religion if I'm correct.
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John_Doe wrote:
Sav wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.


i'm sure if there was a nation led by religious priests who set all their laws according to their religious beliefs (which allowed for above said), We were it was called the Holy Roman Empire. then this may take place, but what would the probability that someone would turn out to be a homosexual in such a society,? near none. Homosexuality was pretty common back then all the way to the Romans.

no matter what religion i followed, if any, i wouldn't harm anyone just becuz i was told to, by another being/tv show/book etc.


im not rly familiar with much of history prior to Columbus, but that was ~2k years ago, societies all around had those views, and i'd like to see some sort of documentation on the "homosexuality was common" statement.

John_Doe wrote:Your not suppose to do that in a religion if I'm correct.


most "rules" or w/e you like to say from holy books or scriptures are very old cultural traditions, sometimes you just gotta give up what you believe in to keep together a peaceful society, then again isn't that the point of faith?

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Sav wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.


i'm sure if there was a nation led by religious priests who set all their laws according to their religious beliefs (which allowed for above said), then this may take place, but what would the probability that someone would turn out to be a homosexual in such a society,? near none.


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XemnasXD wrote:
Sav wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Don't say you follow all of God's law or I will be tempted to ask,"so why arn't you stoning homosexuals than?" Do you follow some of his laws? Perfectly reasonable.


i'm sure if there was a nation led by religious priests who set all their laws according to their religious beliefs (which allowed for above said), then this may take place, but what would the probability that someone would turn out to be a homosexual in such a society,? near none.


and there is where you lost game...you're done son, move along...


i didn't see a period on that sentence, was there a point?

did you even bother to read the very few words before it?

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Iran. Theocracy. Homosexuals there.

that enough periods? That's even excluding the fact that homosexuality is not dependent on the social climate of a region, its biological...

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Sav wrote:im not rly familiar with much of history prior to Columbus, but that was ~2k years ago, societies all around had those views, and i'd like to see some sort of documentation on the "homosexuality was common" statement.
Thomas K. Hubbard: Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, a Sourcebook of Basic Documents. Los Angeles, London 2003. ISBN 0-520-23430-8
Craig Williams: Roman Homosexuality, Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity. in: Oxford University Press (Editor): Ideologies of Desire. Oxford 1999



John_Doe wrote:Your not suppose to do that in a religion if I'm correct.


most "rules" or w/e you like to say from holy books or scriptures are very old cultural traditions, sometimes you just gotta give up what you believe in to keep together a peaceful society, then again isn't that the point of faith? Laws/rules and traditions arn't the same thing. What in that last paragraph had to do with faith?


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My point is, if there is no "wrong", how is there a "right" thing to do?

When your talking about right or wrong your basically talking about morality.
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XemnasXD wrote:Iran. Theocracy. Homosexuals there.

that enough periods? That's even excluding the fact that homosexuality is not dependent on the social climate of a region, its biological...

If you don't learn to think before you post you'll lose before you've begun...like i said, you're out...


o rly lol?

that's an interesting find, mind posting a link to the person who did research into homosexuality being a biological trait? and just wondering after i posted this initially, what about the children of a heterosexual man and a heterosexual female, who both also had hetero ancestors? how does homosexuality suddenly show up, possibly due to...let's c....society maybe?

i guess being poor/rich/slow(variations)/athletic are also biological eh? i mean i guess you can't overcome any of those problems nor trash them?


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Sav wrote:im not rly familiar with much of history prior to Columbus, but that was ~2k years ago, societies all around had those views, and i'd like to see some sort of documentation on the "homosexuality was common" statement.

Thomas K. Hubbard: Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, a Sourcebook of Basic Documents. Los Angeles, London 2003. ISBN 0-520-23430-8
Craig Williams: Roman Homosexuality, Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity. in: Oxford University Press (Editor): Ideologies of Desire. Oxford 1999


i'll c what i can dig up about the book w/o buying it

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John_Doe wrote:Your not suppose to do that in a religion if I'm correct.


most "rules" or w/e you like to say from holy books or scriptures are very old cultural traditions, sometimes you just gotta give up what you believe in to keep together a peaceful society, then again isn't that the point of faith? Laws/rules and traditions arn't the same thing. What in that last paragraph had to do with faith?


i meant rules that are mostly expressed in holy books/religion, which imo were based upon the traditions/cultural beliefs of the era they were put together

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Sav wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:Iran. Theocracy. Homosexuals there.

that enough periods? That's even excluding the fact that homosexuality is not dependent on the social climate of a region, its biological...

If you don't learn to think before you post you'll lose before you've begun...like i said, you're out...


i guess being poor no/rich no/slow(variations)depends but limits are biological/athletic depends but limits are biological are also biological eh? i mean i guess you can't overcome any of those problems nor trash them?


The biological factors of homosexuality should be obvious to anyone who cares to look into the subject. I'll humor some people with discussion on the topic but not someone like you, its not worth the time as you've clearly never bothered to delve deep enough into the topic yourself. Your post have ranged from ignorant to just plain wrong in several cases. In this case the extremely obvious counterpoint to your argument is that there is documentation of large amounts of Iranian homosexuals, literally there are documentaries. Iran is a theocracy. I shouldn't need to draw anymore roads for you except for the one out of this thread...you've passed the point of logic discussion and veered off into the path of stupidity...
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Sav wrote:i meant rules that are mostly expressed in holy books/religion, which imo were based upon the traditions/cultural beliefs of the era they were put together That would make sense if the rules came from men, but they supposely came from God not men.


I'd also like to point out the poor/rich are sociol status not biological in anyway.
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XemnasXD wrote:
Sav wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:Iran. Theocracy. Homosexuals there.

that enough periods? That's even excluding the fact that homosexuality is not dependent on the social climate of a region, its biological...

If you don't learn to think before you post you'll lose before you've begun...like i said, you're out...


i guess being poor no/rich no/slow(variations)depends but limits are biological/athletic depends but limits are biological are also biological eh? i mean i guess you can't overcome any of those problems nor trash them?


The biological factors of homosexuality should be obvious to anyone who cares to look into the subject. I'll humor some people with discussion on the topic but not someone like you, its not worth the time. Your post have ranged from ignorant to just plain wrong in several cases. In this case the extremely obvious counterpoint to your argument is that there is documentation of large amounts of Iranian homosexuals, literally there are documentaries. Iran is a theocracy. I shouldn't need to draw anymore roads for you except for the one out of this thread...you've passed the point of logic discussion and veered off into the path of stupidity...



calm down buddy, it's just a dicussion, i'm sorry im not informed about everything that occurs in the world, especially for all places, Iran, homosexuality was a sample topic brought up by John_Doe or CeLL, i replied based upon what i know, i guess i should plug a usb cord to my brain to upload the world factbook in detail

and oh yea u should re-read the small edit i did in the post and reply, i'm hoping it'll blow my mind...

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Sav wrote:i meant rules that are mostly expressed in holy books/religion, which imo were based upon the traditions/cultural beliefs of the era they were put together That would make sense if the rules came from men, but they supposely came from God not men.


I'd also like to point out the poor/rich are sociol status not biological in anyway.



that differs among the many relgions i'd say, if you were talking about Islam, that be a good argument, since Qu'ran is basically Allah's words, i just made a general statement of the common trend that i know of

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If homosexuality is biologically centered, can it be "cured?"

Just throwing that out there.
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Reise wrote:If homosexuality is biologically centered, can it be "cured?"

Just throwing that out there.


i'd say so, or at least you can put on a veil

eg. being sent to a village where everyone highly looks down upon homosexuality, you spend enough time there, you might just drop it

or being sent to live with the opposite sex for the rest of your life starting at an early age with no contact with anyone your own sex

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all you need is a google search in this day and age.

Ignorance is not an excuse to make ignorant statements. Discussions don't work like that, not intelligent ones anyway. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't talk because you're going to get called out on it like you have been and your response has just been, well i didn't know don't blame me....

@Reise can skin color be cured? Can eye color be cured? Can facial features be cured?

and don't open doors here and not be prepared to back it, no one wants to read through your trolling...
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I don't see why homosexuality must be cured? It's a natural occurence just like green eyes and black hair.
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XemnasXD wrote:all you need is a google search in this day and age.

Ignorance is not an excuse to make ignorant statements. Discussions don't work like that, not intelligent ones anyway. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't talk because you're going to get called out on it like you have been and your response has just been, well i didn't know don't blame me....

@Reise can skin color be cured? Can eye color be cured? Can facial features be cured?


you still haven't answered my question,

i'll copy and paste it here since your whole argument is that homosexuality is biological and i'm just skipping over your /rage

what about the children of a heterosexual man and a heterosexual female, who both also had hetero ancestors?


John_Doe wrote:I don't see why homosexuality must be cured? It's a natural occurence just like green eyes and black hair.


i wouldn't say it's natural, what about those ppl who come out the closet, find out how it rly is, don't like it, go back to men/women?

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I didn't answer it because it was a stupid question. Im gay. My mom and dad obviously weren't. My Grandparents obviously weren't. Their Grandparents obviously weren't etc...
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Re: Religion

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XemnasXD wrote:I didn't answer it because it was a stupid question. Im gay. My mom and dad obviously weren't. My Grandparents obviously weren't. Their Grandparents obviously weren't etc...


then you have a stupid argument

there is no "if" in scientific research, unless you wanna call this Xemnas+____ theory then so be it


just for more /rage

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