Obama Back to School Speech For Kids

[Barotix]

read 10 >_> zZzZ I'm going back to sleep.

[XemnasXD]

when I actually tried they realized I was just lazy lol

My Teachers knew I was lazy because I was always such a beast 1st & 2nd semester, but after Christmas break all I ever want to do is sleep and slide by.

same. I've never had trouble with the work but doing it >_<...college fixed that though. Turns out the most a Chemistry teacher will do is explain what he expects you to have read already and if you want to actually understand it you'll have to crack open that text book...that was like getting brick walls thrown at your face lol

[JuelzSantana]

read 10 >_> zZzZ I'm going back to sleep.

i did i put a lil thing next to it it just didnt let me make it bold ><

[XemnasXD]

i read your last thought btw.

In lay mans terms : There are tons of environmental influence on intelligence that are divided into biological and non biological variables(i.e. social and cultural variables). The most common difference is exposure in early childhood. Exposure to positive/negative influences need to happen before the neuronal connections have stopped forming.(as you said before when this stops forming is genetic but how much developing happens before hand is not genetic)

Synaptic plasticity is something that is constantly developing and changing, that's practically the definition. It can be affected by anything from depression to brain damage. However the article you posted makes no mention of its relation to intelligence. Like i said, it talks about what we should already know. Synaptic plasticity can be affected by chemical factors, the article explains what factors and how they affect the abilities of the brain it listed. There is no mention of it affecting intelligence. I don't see how you are getting that out of it. If synaptic plasticity affects intelligence, and it probably does in some way, the article is not focused on it. Thats what it is about in plain English....

there is no way a kid is born more intelligent than another.

they have greater intelligence because parents and teachers and society over in other countries might push them to have to have a higher intelligence level.

You claim that some people are born with mental capacity over others and that some people have to watch them be better than they ever could wish to be.

BULLSHIT

IQ or intelligence quotient is a measurement of intelligence assessed from standardized tests. so therefore for the rest of this you can assume that a higher IQ would mean a higher intelligence and vice versa.

All humans without inhibiting factors are born with the same level of intelligence. Intelligence is then developed as they grow.

all of those are your quotes. All of those quotes of yours were refuted by the article that YOU posted. Turkheimer and the psychologist combined data refutes all of these statements of yours and nowhere do they agree that intelligence is not based on genetics. They came to agree that while intelligence is based on genetics it takes the proper environment to bring it out.


I wasn't going to respond because i knew i would just be repeating myself. You wasted alot of words telling me just how much you don't care what i think which shows a bit of a contradiction. Like i said in the end the articles you posted says nothing at all to back up the theory that you were presenting which was that "All kids are born with the same intelligence and environment determines their intelligence after that" Nothing you posted confirms this. All you posted was an article that says a good environment is needed to max out "potential intelligence" and an article on how chemical changes affect synaptic plasticity in developing and adults minds altering the abilities of several areas Intelligence not mentioned....

Like i said my post are reactions. You say something and if its true than i would have to agree or at the very least challenge you to prove it. If its false then disagree or i verbally toss you around like a ragdoll while proving you wrong. Nothing you said upholds the ideas that sparked this entire debate. Nothing you posted upholds those ideas. You waved your pre-med and your IQ in my face like i was supposed to be impressed or humbled or something, im not really sure why you did that but it certainly didn't make me want to be classier. If you're going to post something like that expect it to be challenged before its treated with respect.

[JuelzSantana]

i read your last thought btw.

In lay mans terms : There are tons of environmental influence on intelligence that are divided into biological and non biological variables(i.e. social and cultural variables). The most common difference is exposure in early childhood. Exposure to positive/negative influences need to happen before the neuronal connections have stopped forming.(as you said before when this stops forming is genetic but how much developing happens before hand is not genetic)

Synaptic plasticity is something that is constantly developing and changing, that's practically the definition. It can be affected by anything from depression to brain damage. However the article you posted makes no mention of its relation to intelligence. Like i said, it talks about what we should already know. Synaptic plasticity can be affected by chemical factors, the article explains what factors and how they affect the abilities of the brain it listed. There is no mention of it affecting intelligence. I don't see how you are getting that out of it. If synaptic plasticity affects intelligence, and it probably does in some way, the article is not focused on it. Thats what it is about in plain English....

read the article. look up synaptic plasticity, open a text book. gf, actually go to ur professor and ask him. go to a biologist and ask him. im not talking out of my ass, and no level of your pompous attitude will make it seem that way, YOU on the other hand ARE talking out of your ass. instead of backing up your arguments with proof, u instead just talk by using my own example, u have no example, there is no solid evidence other than the fact that u say "intelligence is determined by genetics" thats PARTIALLY true NOT fully true, stop trying to act so damn smart because its obvious you are incompetent, stubborn, and completely full of yourself.

there is no way a kid is born more intelligent than another.

truth - no kid is born with more intelligence than another, intelligence is developed during critical stages of their life and is effected by the environment

they have greater intelligence because parents and teachers and society over in other countries might push them to have to have a higher intelligence level.

true, they are pushed at a younger age to have a greater intelligence.

You claim that some people are born with mental capacity over others and that some people have to watch them be better than they ever could wish to be.

BULLSHIT

uhh i was saying that just because u are born with a higher "mental capacity" doesnt mean you will realize it and use it unless u were effected as a child. so also truth, learn to comprehend.

IQ or intelligence quotient is a measurement of intelligence assessed from standardized tests. so therefore for the rest of this you can assume that a higher IQ would mean a higher intelligence and vice versa.

LOL WHY DID YOU EVEN QUOTE THAT!? thats a direct definition dont argue with facts u scrub

All humans without inhibiting factors are born with the same level of intelligence. Intelligence is then developed as they grow.

yes... that is true. when u are a baby u have 0 intelligence over another human being.

all of those are your quotes. All of those quotes of yours were refuted by the article that YOU posted. Turkheimer and the psychologist combined data refutes all of these statements of yours and nowhere do they agree that intelligence is not based on genetics. They came to agree that while intelligence is based on genetics it takes the proper environment to bring it out.

i know how intelligence is determined, and i know what the fu.ck i wrote, so therefore i dont need you to clarify it for me. intelligence is NOT effected by genetics, ur seriously retarded. its effected BY THE ENVIRONMENT. genetics only sets the cap that intelligence would cease to form.



I wasn't going to respond because i knew i would just be repeating myself. You wasted alot of words telling me just how much you don't care what i think which shows a bit of a contradiction. Like i said in the end the articles you posted says nothing at all to back up the theory that you were presenting which was that "All kids are born with the same intelligence and environment determines their intelligence after that" Nothing you posted confirms this. All you posted was an article that says a good environment is needed to max out "potential intelligence" and an article on how chemical changes affect synaptic plasticity in developing and adults minds altering the abilities of several areas Intelligence not mentioned....

Like i said my post are reactions. You say something and if its true than i would have to agree or at the very least challenge you to prove it. If its false then disagree or i verbally toss you around like a ragdoll while proving you wrong. Nothing you said upholds the ideas that sparked this entire debate. Nothing you posted upholds those ideas. You waved your pre-med and your IQ in my face like i was supposed to be impressed or humbled or something, im not really sure why you did that but it certainly didn't make me want to be classier. If you're going to post something like that expect it to be challenged before its treated with respect.

lol u know what really funny? why do you sit here and try to act like ur the smartest person on the planet??? relax man i already told u i dont care what you think about me, when it comes down to it in 10 years am i going to remember that your a pompous fu.ck? no?? how old r u exactly? u sound like ur mid 30's to 40's if thats the case, why r u on a silkroad forum? couldnt u be doing something better? if ur so intelligent why doesnt everyone know of u? stop trying to make yourself seem better than what u are. i am a pre med student and my iq is 129. whether u like it or not thats a fact. ur a scrub that thinks cuz they were a lab TA that automatically makes them gods gift to creation. if after all this *yawn* "im the greatest on the planet" act uve been trying to prove to me u cant simply accept that i AM right in what im saying then im sorry i really have nothing else to say to you lol. its funny cuz u only decide to pick and attack my posts when people like goseki said pretty much the same thing as me yet u didnt bother to even read what he/she said. so if were quite done here lol..

trying to prove ur more intelligent over the internet than another person is about the saddest act known to man besides acting like an internet gangster. so gj lol, note that i didnt try to make myself seem more intelligent than you, i simply was trying to have a friendly debate but u have this im better than everyone complex, oh well lol

EDIT: baro agreed with me, goseki agreed with me. ur just too caught up in your own bullshit and ego to admit you were wrong. it hurts when you think ur the smartest person and to find out that u really dunno wtf ur talking about. i understand u dont wanna seem like a scrub. thats fine, i have nothing against u. but like i said b4, b4 u try to act smart, know what ur talking about, and actually care enough to read and understand what the person is saying, dont assume and try to talk like ur royalty.

anyway.. /care

[XemnasXD]

gonna be honest i didn't read most of the the last part. I stopped when you were telling me to calm down and the proceeded to swear continuously.

intelligence is NOT effected by genetics, ur seriously retarded. its effected BY THE ENVIRONMENT. genetics only sets the cap that intelligence would cease to form.

this is what i have to work with.

I told you what i know. I posted studies showing that they found, literally found some of the genes that determine intelligence. I posted another study that shows that human intelligence is determined by the formation of gray matter in certain areas of the brain. Formation that is governed and determined by genetics. You posted an article that confirms that 3/4 of intelligence is determined genetically and that a positive environment is needed to activate the final 1/4.

All of it points to this. Intelligence is determined by genetics. Whether the genetic potential is fully reached is determined by environment. Some children are born with genes that offer a better genetic potential for intelligence. Some have genes that offer a worse one. Intelligence is something you are born with, like eye color, hair color, skin color, it is determined by genes. Good genes gives you a better genetic potential, good environment is needed to max it out. That is what i have been saying all along and what those studies confirmed.


thats not me yelling or getting hype that is the most important part of this entire discussion thats why its bolded and enlarged.

All this information written by people who know far more than you or i on the subject that completely refutes your claims. You are literally calling all those people wrong. You are literally saying that all their information is false. In fact you are saying that nothing they say constitutes solid proof.

There is nothing more to be discussed with you. I think you need to get your IQ tested again cause its probably dropped. Im going to get mine tested again just to make sure talking to you hasn't dumbed me down. This isn't funny or amusing or even challenging anymore...now its just sad...

[JuelzSantana]

gonna be honest i didn't read most of the the last part. I stopped when you were telling me to calm down and the proceeded to swear continuously.

intelligence is NOT effected by genetics, ur seriously retarded. its effected BY THE ENVIRONMENT. genetics only sets the cap that intelligence would cease to form.

this is what i have to work with.

I told you what i know. I posted studies showing that they found, literally found some of the genes that determine intelligence. I posted another study that shows that human intelligence is determined by the formation of gray matter in certain areas of the brain. Formation that is governed and determined by genetics. You posted an article that confirms that 3/4 of intelligence is determined genetically and that a positive environment is needed to activate the final 1/4.

All of it points to this. Intelligence is determined by genetics. Whether the genetic potential is fully reached is determined by environment. Some children are born with genes that offer a better genetic potential for intelligence. Some have genes that offer a worse one. Intelligence is something you are born with, like eye color, hair color, skin color, it is determined by genes. Good genes gives you a better genetic potential, good environment is needed to max it out. That is what i have been saying all along and what those studies confirmed.


thats not me yelling or getting hype that is the most important part of this entire discussion thats why its bolded and enlarged.

All this information written by people who know far more than you or i on the subject that completely refutes your claims. You are literally calling all those people wrong. You are literally saying that all their information is false. In fact you are saying that nothing they say constitutes solid proof.

There is nothing more to be discussed with you. I think you need to get your IQ tested again cause its probably dropped. Im going to get mine tested again just to make sure talking to you hasn't dumbed me down. This isn't funny or amusing or even challenging anymore...now its just sad...

dont lie xD u read it, r u upset that i told you trying to make yourself seem smarter over the internet is sad? the truth hurts but it is what it is ;D

good genes gives u good intelligence, good environment maxes it out. are we done? i posted an article that is the exact reverse of what you said. and STILL you have YET to show me an article of your own that proves what you say that 3/4 of intelligence is determined genetically and that a positive environment is needed to activate the final 1/4. if you cannot back up what you say then dont say shit. i posted an article that confirms that 1/4 of intelligence is determined genetically(the RATE at which the cap of your intelligence will close) and that a positive environment is needed to build up intelligence BEFORE that cap will close aka 3/4.

ur retarded lol

edit: as i said before I KNOW what i said your intelligence is NOT effected by genetics, just because your parents are smart that doesnt mean YOU WILL BE SMART.

if u cant post proof that intelligence is 3/4 genetics and 1/4 environment, then DO NOT SAY SHIT. this means that you have NO SOLID PROOF AND YOU HAVE A SERIOUS EGO PROBLEM, WHEN YOU ARE WRONG YOU ARE WRONG, JUST ADMIT IT, MOVE ON.

[XemnasXD]

that 3/4 thing came from the article you posted...you really need to get around to reading that...again i didn't read the rest, just the red. You've been reduced to LOLOL! RETARD!!1oneone responses...

/sigh

[JuelzSantana]

that 3/4 thing came from the article you posted...you really need to get around to reading that...again i didn't read the rest, just the red. You've been reduced to LOLOL! RETARD!!1oneone responses...

/sigh

lol so youve posted so much on the forum that you have posting down to a science with types and everything

/sad

learn to read, i clearly stated and explained that that is not what you think it means

/sad

cant read?

/care

people these days =/

/sigh

cant back up your information?

/fail

baro and goseki agreed with me that genetics is not the sole determining factor on intelligence yet u still want to believe your own bullshit

/no life /fail /care /sad /LOLOL RETARDED!!1oneone



edit :

lol u know what really funny? why do you sit here and try to act like ur the smartest person on the planet??? relax man i already told u i dont care what you think about me, when it comes down to it in 10 years am i going to remember that your a pompous fu.ck? no?? how old r u exactly? u sound like ur mid 30's to 40's if thats the case, why r u on a silkroad forum? couldnt u be doing something better? if ur so intelligent why doesnt everyone know of u? stop trying to make yourself seem better than what u are. i am a pre med student and my iq is 129. whether u like it or not thats a fact. ur a scrub that thinks cuz they were a lab TA that automatically makes them gods gift to creation. if after all this *yawn* "im the greatest on the planet" act uve been trying to prove to me u cant simply accept that i AM right in what im saying then im sorry i really have nothing else to say to you lol. its funny cuz u only decide to pick and attack my posts when people like goseki said pretty much the same thing as me yet u didnt bother to even read what he/she said. so if were quite done here lol..

trying to prove ur more intelligent over the internet than another person is about the saddest act known to man besides acting like an internet gangster. so gj lol, note that i didnt try to make myself seem more intelligent than you, i simply was trying to have a friendly debate but u have this im better than everyone complex, oh well lol

EDIT: baro agreed with me, goseki agreed with me. ur just too caught up in your own bullshit and ego to admit you were wrong. it hurts when you think ur the smartest person and to find out that u really dunno wtf ur talking about. i understand u dont wanna seem like a scrub. thats fine, i have nothing against u. but like i said b4, b4 u try to act smart, know what ur talking about, and actually care enough to read and understand what the person is saying, dont assume and try to talk like ur royalty.

anyway.. /care

i put it in red for you ^^

/hooked on phonics

[XemnasXD]

i only read what i could as i was scrolling past and i think connecting with a higher intelligence has driven you mad...bonkers really...

[JuelzSantana]

i only read what i could as i was scrolling past and i think connecting with a higher intelligence has driven you mad...bonkers really...

thats all? cute.

[cpinney]

lets keep this pleasant gentlemen.
chip chip, cherry o.

[Plutonium]

XemnasXD and JuelzSantana, unfortunately I have major stuff to do so I don't have the time to read many of y'all posts, but... which one of u two theory explains this:


My mom has average intelligence. My dad has low intelligence.

I have two older brothers. Both are them were C students in grade school and made a bunch of Cs and Ds in college. They both dropped out

As for me, I was mostly an A student in college (with a few Bs and 1 C) and had 3.8 GPA.


And if possible, can each of you two sum up your position in one paragraph for those of us that, like me, have an attention span of a goldfish and can't read many giant walls of text.

[Draquish]

tl;dr

[JuelzSantana]

XemnasXD and JuelzSantana, unfortunately I have major stuff to do so I don't have the time to read many of y'all posts, but... which one of u two theory explains this:


My mom has average intelligence. My dad has low intelligence.

I have two older brothers. Both are them were C students in grade school and made a bunch of Cs and Ds in college. They both dropped out

As for me, I was mostly an A student in college (with a few Bs and 1 C) and had 3.8 GPA.


And if possible, can each of you two sum up your position in one paragraph for those of us that, like me, have an attention span of a goldfish and can't read many giant walls of text.

according to xemnas, because ur parents are of average and low intelligence, ur intelligence should be low.

according to me, because ur parents are of average and low intelligence, ur intelligence can be low or high depending on how what influenced u in your critical years (i.e. childhood)

i rely heavily on environment and little on genetics to determine iq, and xemnas is exact opposite, he relied heavily on genetics to determine iq and from what i understand he thinks environment has little to no significance.

your example of your life proves my point and disproves xemnas, but of course xem being the pompous idiot he is, he cant accept hes wrong and will try to play it off like hes bored with the convo, its pretty funny ^^

[XemnasXD]

XemnasXD and JuelzSantana, unfortunately I have major stuff to do so I don't have the time to read many of y'all posts, but... which one of u two theory explains this:


My mom has average intelligence. My dad has low intelligence.

I have two older brothers. Both are them were C students in grade school and made a bunch of Cs and Ds in college. They both dropped out

As for me, I was mostly an A student in college (with a few Bs and 1 C) and had 3.8 GPA.


And if possible, can each of you two sum up your position in one paragraph for those of us that, like me, have an attention span of a goldfish and can't read many giant walls of text.

I can relate to this myself because i have siblings. I was an average student with the highest intelligence out of my siblings. My sister was an above average student who was determined less intelligent than me but still very smart and extremely driven She's an A student, graduated cum laude, etc/perfection. My brother didn't finish high school and was sent to a work program as an alternative for jail, obviously a poor student as well.

My father was mediocre and my mother was slightly above average.

Genetics is like rolling a dice. At the end of they day they are the blue print your body will follow to the best of its ability but there is more to life than Genetics. I can't tell you why you are the way you are and your siblings aren't. In order to do that i would need a wealth of biological information and yours and their life history. You can probably see their flaws or what is holding them back if anything. Genetics determines what can be done but your environment defines what will be done and there are millions of things that could've affected you and them, for all i know you are the way you are because you don't want to end up like them. However it is worth noting that the next generation normally has a greater chance to achieve their full intellectual potential because they live in a more stable environment. Growing up your mother or father probably had it rougher than you did with less educational opportunities. I know mine did.

If you want my opinion on intelligence than scroll up and read what i enlarged and bolded. That about sums it up. If you want sources you can read the articles posted and draw your own conclusion from them. If you have questions feel free to ask...

[EvGa]

Have wanted to use that for so long.. it kinda sorta not really fits here.

I read most of the posts, then I got a headache. Not going to join the argument, but my opinion on education is you get out of it what you put in. If a student really wants to learn he'll find a way. Sadly they are the extreme minority and I'm not saying I'm one of them. I was gifted with higher than average intelligence and glided through high school easily. In college is where the "shit gets real". Any who, that is all off topic; kinda, so I'll just leave now. I had to post something with the pic...

/in for continued genetics argument.

[Deadsolid]

The speech is online at http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/image ... speech.pdf

I read it. Everyone is a bit worked up over absolutely nothing. Though the Dems did the same thing with a similar Bush Sr. speech.

[Jstar1]

The speech is online at http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/image ... speech.pdf

I read it. Everyone is a bit worked up over absolutely nothing. Though the Dems did the same thing with a similar Bush Sr. speech.

+1 american politics are so farked up today. Even the smallest things makes republicans rage as if obama had just gave an atomic bomb to kim jong-il. Everything in american politics is way too polarized. **** all these congress people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090908/pl_afp/useducationobama_20090908020545

some things from this yahoo article posted after the speech was released

"That's Obama-centric. It's not focused on education but on the worship of Barack Obama," Michael Leahy, spokesman for the conservative grassroots Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, told AFP.

Jim Greer, chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, raged that "Pied Piper Obama" was going "into the American classroom" to spread socialist ideology.

"President Obama has a vision for America which is government in our lives in every aspect. That's not the vision that I and many parents across this country want," he told CNN.

But Obama's speech merely drew a link between personal responsibility and patriotism.

"What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future," the president said in a text of the speech released by the White House.

"You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment.

"You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free," Obama continued.

"You'll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy."

"If you quit on school -- you?re not just quitting on yourself, you?re quitting on your country," Obama said.

**** the republicans and **** all the extreme right wing and **** every wrong thing every republican has said about obama...from an ignorant conservative in the south who thinks obama is muslim to asshats like rush limbaugh who publicly announces that he hopes obama fails. They should be ashamed of themselves as americans. they should **** off and lick the balls of all the hard-working americans who do their jobs right.

/rant

[Brago]

were suppose to watch it tommorow, but since our teacher doesnt have cable we cant woohoo..

and if u see the swirly thing just shield your eyes.

[Deadsolid]

Jstar, its politics as usual. Like I said the Democrats did the same thing with a speech by Bush Sr. That in itself is enough justification to protest this speech (and yes I know thats very little).

Politicians and pundits play on the fears of the ignorant. Dont get me wrong Im not calling everyone stupid, I mean that those that watch certain TV channels and listen to certain talk show hosts are not the best informed Americans. Same goes for both sides.

We need to realize that both sides can, and often do wrong. I believe that no one is ever in the right. Everything in this lovely country of ours is based on democracy and freedom. However, we need to form our opinions over many many years, perhaps even decades, or maybe even not at all.

Choosing a side and voting that way forever is wrong. Once you do that you cease being reasonable and rational.

It's completely fine to switch political parties as many times as you want. Of course every politician will tell you that's wrong, and that you should chose a side and stick with it and maybe even a little propaganda here and there. They want you for life. Dont let them pull you in.

IMHO

[Barotix]

butthurt

Though the Dems did the same thing with a similar Bush Sr. speech.

You just lost the game.

[Jstar1]

Jstar, its politics as usual. Like I said the Democrats did the same thing with a speech by Bush Sr. That in itself is enough justification to protest this speech (and yes I know thats very little).

Politicians and pundits play on the fears of the ignorant. Dont get me wrong Im not calling everyone stupid, I mean that those that watch certain TV channels and listen to certain talk show hosts are not the best informed Americans. Same goes for both sides.

We need to realize that both sides can, and often do wrong. I believe that no one is ever in the right. Everything in this lovely country of ours is based on democracy and freedom. However, we need to form our opinions over many many years, perhaps even decades, or maybe even not at all.

Choosing a side and voting that way forever is wrong. Once you do that you cease being reasonable and rational.

It's completely fine to switch political parties as many times as you want. Of course every politician will tell you that's wrong, and that you should chose a side and stick with it and maybe even a little propaganda here and there. They want you for life. Dont let them pull you in.

IMHO

haha yeah it looks like im a hardcore leftist right? Actually no, I'm on the fence for almost everything but I do lean left on some of the issues. I was just ranting yesterday cause I was really really pissed at the republican party and how they have been acting recently.

[Aiyas]

Having read the speech, I don't see why people were making a big deal about it.

[Mr.Ganji]

Having read the speech, I don't see why people were making a big deal about it.

300 million people in the country - you really cant expect everyone to be normal, sensible, and logical human beings like most of us here. People you dont understand will ALWAYS exist.

[XemnasXD]

Having read the speech, I don't see why people were making a big deal about it.

Same. It was extremely boring, uninformative, and painfully optimistic but otherwise harmless. Those pundits are earning their money turning this into a BS storm of monumental proportions. No one would've cared if they hadn't told people how they should feel about it, then the shit hit the fan. I don't get what baro was talking about, if its not the content of the speech than whats wrong with it...

[Gaigemasta]

Well I've noticed something, something very disgusting. Some states have rejected Obama from this speech. What it is, is a bunch of religious republican bastards whining about shit. Democrats or other people didn't whine about Bush doing shit of that sort. I find all of those people who rejected are bigots and should go die in a hole. all IMO though


Now topic at hand I think this speech will be cool, has he already said it cuz i haven't seen it yet obviously, i'll check some tube to see what he had to say

[cpinney]

ignorant people make me rage.

[Barotix]

if its not the content of the speech than whats wrong with it...

Are news networks just showing the typical backwater redneck that dislikes all Democrats?

the critics are criticizing the questions that will be asked in classrooms after the speech, the questions don't leave room for opinions or debate. lol

It's one thing for a president to encourage all kids to work hard and stay in school – that's a reasonable use [obviously not disagreeing with the speech] of the bully pulpit. It's another thing entirely, however, to have the U.S. Department of Education send detailed instructions to public schools nationwide on how to glorify the president and the presidency, [detailed instructions refers to speech related questions] and push them to drive social change"

[Jstar1]

I just read this on yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_school_speech

For all the hubbub among adults over the back-to-school speech, many youngsters took the president's message to heart.

"He said that we're the future, and he's right," said Mileena, who wants to be a forensic scientist. "That's a president telling you, `I care about you getting your education.' Just imagine what kids like us can do if we actually listen."

Obama used examples from his own life to urge students to study hard. He told them to stop chasing dreams of being athletes or reality TV stars.

"The truth is, being successful is hard. You won't love every subject you study. You won't click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won't necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try," Obama said.

Florida Republican Party chairman Jim Greer initially called the speech an attempt to "spread President Obama's socialist ideology."

After they got a look at the text, many critics, including Greer, backed off, and some schools agreed to show the speech after all.

Karen Miller, a former PTA official and a longtime education activist in the Houston area, said she initially had concerns about the speech and accompanying lesson plans. "Whenever a political figure goes to a public school, one has to be very cautious," she said.

After hearing the speech, however, Miller said she found it inspiring.

"The message he gave to children was so appropriate, that you shape your destiny no matter the hand you're dealt," she said. "The message was absolutely on target. I had chills."

Missouri Lt. Governor Peter Kinder, a Republican, had originally criticized the speech and its suggested lesson plans as "steps never before seen by any presidency in the realm of government intervention." But he said his concerns eased after some of the lesson plans were changed.

"It was perfectly innocuous and a praiseworthy message," he said Tuesday.

lol at these idiots all attacking obama and then suddenly shutting their traps after they finally see that its only an inspirational video. I swear all these far right people have the brains the size of a peanut. Fucking losers thats all I have to say.

If obama's message can motivate 10 student to get a college degree and graduate and get good jobs I'll be happy.