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Karras wrote:
ApocalypticDeath wrote:...Going hybrid means your crits are not that deadly...



STR Hybrid does higher OVERALL DAMAGE. Yes, damage is higher than a pure Str
ALSO! Higher CRIT DAMAGE.Wrong. 100% wrong.

Key WORD, STR HYBRID. not Int.

During the 80 CAP.
Liquidsmooth was 2:1 STR Hybrid with sun bow.
D2A was Full STR Bow with sun bow too.

Guess what? Liquidsmooth crit higher than D2A.
thats wrong.. there is something called attack rating.. perry ratio, and ~ of the skill.
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see your problem is that u have light i have 50 light and 50 ice and my mastries are going tobe 100 bich and 100 fire currently there at 90 (farming)
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Damage might be a bit higher but you ruin your crits, the one thing you really need to kill =/ I don't think it's a good idea to go hybrid on a blader, or any str char for that matter.
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Strwarrior wrote:
Karras wrote:
ApocalypticDeath wrote:...Going hybrid means your crits are not that deadly...



STR Hybrid does higher OVERALL DAMAGE. Yes, damage is higher than a pure Str
ALSO! Higher CRIT DAMAGE.Wrong. 100% wrong.

Key WORD, STR HYBRID. not Int.

During the 80 CAP.
Liquidsmooth was 2:1 STR Hybrid with sun bow.
D2A was Full STR Bow with sun bow too.

Guess what? Liquidsmooth crit higher than D2A.
thats wrong.. there is something called attack rating.. perry ratio, and ~ of the skill.


for both of u, crits are known to be strongest in pure str, say for example 2 Archers (1 str 1 hyb) both same levels n gear, they would:

-Str archer = 50k damage with Strong bow; his crit would be anywhere near 80-130k with good stat weapons, its better to think of it as hitting twice as much.

-Hybrid str archer = 70k damage with strong bow; crits would be near 100 as a max. <--- the crit damage also depends on how much he hybirdized.

PS: theres a point, when u hybridize, when the overall damage becomes higher aswell as the crit, its right before then point where ur crits start to become low again, i just dont know when that point happens
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Holy Shit wrote:-Str archer = 50k damage with Strong bow; his crit would be anywhere near 80-130k with good stat weapons, its better to think of it as hitting twice as much.

-Hybrid str archer = 70k damage with strong bow; crits would be near 100 as a max. <--- the crit damage also depends on how much he hybirdized.

PS: theres a point, when u hybridize, when the overall damage becomes higher aswell as the crit, its right before then point where ur crits start to become low again, i just dont know when that point happens


A str that hits over twice his dmg with a crit? Nice!

50k normal damage with imbue would be like a 80k crit idd..or maybe 85, or even 75.

If he did 50k without imbue, it would be 100k when it crits.
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XMoshe wrote:A str that hits over twice his dmg with a crit? Nice!

50k normal damage with imbue would be like a 80k crit idd..or maybe 85, or even 75.

If he did 50k without imbue, it would be 100k when it crits.


I would take what you said cuz u had a bow char if im not mistaken.
However, the fact is there, we can't forget the argument between D2A and liquidsmooth long long time ago.
Between 2 Bow Chars, liquidsmooth(2:1 Hybrid) and D2A(Full STR).
Both with a SUN Bow.
liquid had the highest damage until D2A came with his higher one later. However, his submission was on an edited SS.
I remember it was later confirmed that he was buffed n scrolled rendering his submission void.
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It's just 1 shot...If you want to see it, you should put like 50 or even 100 crits of both chars next to eachother because you have a min-max damage on your char, the attack skill and even the imbue.

Anyway, in theory a pure str crits higher because a crit doubles the physical damage dealt to a mob/player and a hybrid str has less physical damage in an attack. So in theory a hybrid should crit less.

If you really want to test it you'll have to make like a 69 pure str and hybrid str bower, both with full NPC wep/gear/acc's. Same skills lvled and then make like 50 test shots on each (50 crits ofcourse). Then compare it, I'm pretty sure the pure str will win.
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ultraphoenix wrote:the little problem is...if you go hybrid, then you needed lightning (int=more mag dmg -> lightning to increase mag dmg more)
and then: 100weapon (sure) 100 fire (maybe) 100 light (maybe)
or: 100weapon 100fire 80light 20ice
or: 100weapon 90fire 90light 20ice
or even higher ice (another advantage of hybrid -> more mp) 100 weapon 90fire 70light 40ice
I'd choose the second or the third one (think i used the third one) because thats the advantage of being hybrid...if the enemy got armor, then its no problem for you, you got also mag dmg.
if the enemy wears garment, then its no problem too, you got phys dmg.
and if the enemy wears protector, then you hit him with both :)


EDIT: i had hybrid blader with 90%phys naked (dont know ratio) , it was great to fight with him :)
Go with hybrid, you'll like it


This was the noobest thing I've ever read :) It made me laugh :D

I've been a blader all the way, baby. And I say pure str. Never heard of str hybrids doing anything good. Int hybs r good. Especially 70:70 bowmen. They are the sickest dmg dealers. I went off topic.
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lol? every build crits the same if you look at it the right way

pure ints high mag low phy high overall dmg low crits
hybrid ints high-middle mag low-middle phy middle-high overall dmg middle-low crits
70:70 middle mag middle phy middle overall dmg middle crits
hybrid str low-middle mag high-middle phy low-middle overall dmg high-middle crits
pure str low mag high phy low overall dmg high crits

if that is a little confusing ill say this

the difference in criting does NOT change your mag dmg makes up the lost ground or the other way around if your int. hybrid blader is an excellent build has enough hp to tank and does very good dmg.
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I do believe a STR hyrbid blader is good, you just need to find the right mastery split that suits your play style...

Hybrid STR's are more suited to different combat situations?

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Amarisa wrote:lol? every build crits the same if you look at it the right way

pure ints high mag low phy high overall dmg low crits
hybrid ints high-middle mag low-middle phy middle-high overall dmg middle-low crits
70:70 middle mag middle phy middle overall dmg middle crits
hybrid str low-middle mag high-middle phy low-middle overall dmg high-middle crits
pure str low mag high phy low overall dmg high crits

if that is a little confusing ill say this

the difference in criting does NOT change your mag dmg makes up the lost ground or the other way around if your int. hybrid blader is an excellent build has enough hp to tank and does very good dmg.


True. though dont forget, each weapon has a different crit, sun glavies go upto 20, bows 18, blades 17 or 16 ?; point is, the best str weapon has the most maximum crit rate, coincidence ? Nope, its cuz u make low mage damage therefore u get more crits, its JM idea to keep the game balanced and most players equal.

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i had a sun 64 bow with crit 16 (80s cap), best crit on my server[Alps]... i owned players lvl 80 with suns while i was 78. Reason being is that i crit more than them, i crit 4/6 times (4 of my attacks are 2X, 2 of my attacks are normal (1x) )
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i wonder would a full int archer using mainly KB be any good
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Where did I read that this game is so perfectly made, that in theory any str/int ratio with same gear, crits exactly the same?
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Since everyone is saying str hybrid is weak :banghead: come to eldorado put on your cape and meet me outside dw south (if i can ever log in) and i will accept that challenge and if you can defeat me well ill personally say that str hybrids are weak okay?
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Karras wrote:D2A(Full STR).


If I remember correctly, D2A was hybrid as well.

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Blindfire wrote:
Karras wrote:D2A(Full STR).


If I remember correctly, D2A was hybrid as well.

yes.. d2a was hybrid.
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Bhup1nder wrote:Since everyone is saying str hybrid is weak :banghead: come to eldorado put on your cape and meet me outside dw south (if i can ever log in) and i will accept that challenge and if you can defeat me well ill personally say that str hybrids are weak okay?


Right...So you would accept a challenge from a lvl 5 char? O_o

@Above: You shouldn't be talking about D2A, he had full Sun and he knew how to play so ofcourse you're strong then.
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XMoshe wrote:
Bhup1nder wrote:Since everyone is saying str hybrid is weak :banghead: come to eldorado put on your cape and meet me outside dw south (if i can ever log in) and i will accept that challenge and if you can defeat me well ill personally say that str hybrids are weak okay?


Right...So you would accept a challenge from a lvl 5 char? O_o

@Above: You shouldn't be talking about D2A, he had full Sun and he knew how to play so ofcourse you're strong then.

i know that.. but i was replying to this
D2A(Full STR).
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