Kindly Tell Joymax They stuffed sleep on Medusa

[allinmustwin]

medusa has become totally resistant to sleep and stun from warloc.. HIYA another gaymax screw up....
JOB WELLDONE

[Nitro]

Thats awesome, kinds buffs up the challenge.

[EngravedDemon]

What lvl was the warlock and was his debuffs and stun 10d? Also, tried it with disease 11 on her?

If that was the case, haha, good game they made her hard again

[DarkJackal]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

[IceCrash]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

[Tok_Sic]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Really!?!?!? WOW, nothing like JM nerfing a build completely out of a game to make some people happy.

Yep, I was a lvl 90 pure int Bard/Warlock (on the Oasis server) and I'm really pissed-off about this because now I'm a Bard/???, as the Warlock is all but useless with this, and the fact that they also incorporated Disease resistant stones. Have fun trying to kill Roc without the Warlock debuffs when they decide to nerf that too.

How hard do you want it to be to kill uniques anyway? This is supposed to be a teamplay based game, that is what makes it interesting to play in the first place. Now that they nerfed the warlock, it has become one build that is worthless to everyone. Say goodbye to "teamplay" in sro.

Who's next on the nerf list, anyone care to wager?

[asusi]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

i agree with you, i mean then what makes Uniques so unique then if they sleep and get all statuses... and not everybuild have to kill a unique you can't kill it? don't hunt it

[Nitro]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Really!?!?!? WOW, nothing like JM nerfing a build completely out of a game to make some people happy.

Yep, I was a lvl 90 pure int Bard/Warlock (on the Oasis server) and I'm really pissed-off about this because now I'm a Bard/???, as the Warlock is all but useless with this, and the fact that they also incorporated Disease resistant stones. Have fun trying to kill Roc without the Warlock debuffs when they decide to nerf that too.

How hard do you want it to be to kill uniques anyway? This is supposed to be a teamplay based game, that is what makes it interesting to play in the first place. Now that they nerfed the warlock, it has become one build that is worthless to everyone. Say goodbye to "teamplay" in sro.

Who's next on the nerf list, anyone care to wager?

I cant describe your ignorance with words.

[asusi]

I cant describe your ignorance with words.

just one pic, one pic tells more then thousand words go on insert it..

[Tok_Sic]

I cant describe your ignorance with words.

Yeah, ok. Ignorance takes on many forms, as your reply clearly shows.

Most people would have simply showed me the error of my thoughts in a non combative manor. Would you care to elaborate your thoughts on the subject, or are you content with just calling me ignorant without explanation.

[pizzagirl2008]

medusa is piss easy with just 1 to 2 parties without warlock...what are you guys complaining at?

the only ppl who would fail at medusa because they rely on warlock are botters and/or are too lazy to handgrind (move your freakn char away when the white circle appears).

[DarkJackal]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Really!?!?!? WOW, nothing like JM nerfing a build completely out of a game to make some people happy.

Yep, I was a lvl 90 pure int Bard/Warlock (on the Oasis server) and I'm really pissed-off about this because now I'm a Bard/???, as the Warlock is all but useless with this, and the fact that they also incorporated Disease resistant stones. Have fun trying to kill Roc without the Warlock debuffs when they decide to nerf that too.

How hard do you want it to be to kill uniques anyway? This is supposed to be a teamplay based game, that is what makes it interesting to play in the first place. Now that they nerfed the warlock, it has become one build that is worthless to everyone. Say goodbye to "teamplay" in sro.

Who's next on the nerf list, anyone care to wager?

It's not making me happy if thats what you mean, I don't play anymore lol, thats just what I think.

I haven't played since Yarken, but is it really hard to kill any unique? I dunno if Medusa is diff but with the way Isro is the uniques just get mobbed and pounded away all while more and more ppl are showing up anyway. but even if it wasn't like that, yes I would still say they shoudln't be stopable or w/e like that.

It takes the fun away from it, back before everyone was botting up and getting sunned out unique hunting was fun, Uruchi would spawn, ya go running around and find him, atk him as much as we could until a couple spawns in then stop and run around or else die from the spawns lol, same with Isy, it was alot more fun when you had to actually stop simply spamming skills and get the hell out of the way until more of the spawns were dead. Those who didn't move in time prolly get owned, then Isy and all its spawns would just stand there, casually walking around until the ranged users picked off some spawns enough to start atking again lol.


Anyway >.>.


It's a boss, it's supposed to not be effected by most things like that ;d.

[Tok_Sic]

medusa is piss easy with just 1 to 2 parties without warlock...what are you guys complaining at?

the only ppl who would fail at medusa because they rely on warlock are botters and/or are too lazy to handgrind (move your freakn char away when the white circle appears).

I guess it's not so much the uniques I'm complaining about as much as the way JM likes to nerf builds at will. They give a skill, then they turn around and make it ineffective somewhere down the road. It's not just the Warlock, it's all of the builds that they have done it to. It seems though, that they are really nerfing down the Warlock, what with the pills and the cleric bless spell and now there is the Disease immunity stones. I will agree that something should be done about the Trap/Sleep bug (if it is a bug), but why take away the ability to do what a warlock is meant to do...debuff, I just don't get it.

It's not making me happy if thats what you mean, I don't play anymore lol, thats just what I think.

I haven't played since Yarken, but is it really hard to kill any unique? I dunno if Medusa is diff but with the way Isro is the uniques just get mobbed and pounded away all while more and more ppl are showing up anyway. but even if it wasn't like that, yes I would still say they shoudln't be stopable or w/e like that.

It takes the fun away from it, back before everyone was botting up and getting sunned out unique hunting was fun, Uruchi would spawn, ya go running around and find him, atk him as much as we could until a couple spawns in then stop and run around or else die from the spawns lol, same with Isy, it was alot more fun when you had to actually stop simply spamming skills and get the hell out of the way until more of the spawns were dead. Those who didn't move in time prolly get owned, then Isy and all its spawns would just stand there, casually walking around until the ranged users picked off some spawns enough to start atking again lol.


Anyway >.>.


It's a boss, it's supposed to not be effected by most things like that ;d.

Not to take away from your opinion or anything but, if you are going to think like that, then why not go all the way, and make Uniques immune to ALL imbues like fire, ice, lightning and make it where the only damage done is the base damage of the weapons used against them. We have the skills for a reason, why not utilize them? If it doesn't seem fair, then why not let the Uniques pill it off or spawn mobs that can counteract/prevent them, (that would just add another dimension to the game if they did it like that).

Oh, and no, I wasn't directing my "happy" comment at you specifically, it was meant as a "blanket" comment directed towards the warlock haters in general. Sorry for the confusion


@Nitro...Just my "ignorant" opinions



@the OP- sorry for the apparent hijack, I didn't mean for it to happen.

[JuelzSantana]

thats only in isro lol, in all other versions there is no hate toward warlock or love toward cleric because the holy spell is 50% and the dbuffs still work on uniques lol

[lopasas]

what? you can use uni pills and medusa cant?

[Nitro]

Really!?!?!? WOW, nothing like JM nerfing a build completely out of a game to make some people happy.

Yep, I was a lvl 90 pure int Bard/Warlock (on the Oasis server) and I'm really pissed-off about this because now I'm a Bard/???, as the Warlock is all but useless with this, and the fact that they also incorporated Disease resistant stones. Have fun trying to kill Roc without the Warlock debuffs when they decide to nerf that too.

Warlock isnt completely nerfed out the game, maybe there are stones that are weakening your warlock that are easily obtainable, but that doesnt mean Warlock is nerfed.

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Magic Stone Of Incandescence
Description: Magical properties of protection granted to the disease [Accessories]
Effect: Increased probability of disease defense

Magic Stone Of Abstraction
Description: Magical properties of protection granted to the Sleep [Accessories]
Effect: Increased probability of the surface protection

Even with these stones, I wouldnt be suprised if you put diesese on someone like you are doing it nowdays, because this is Joymax we are talking about (read: bad programed game).
Remember the times when Warlock's stun had like ~40% chance to succeed, and then suddenly after Tuesday's inspection my every 7th stun failed?

Things are unpredictable at Joymax. Warlock is completely overpowered build, and it needs to get nerfed down, come on, killing an full Int with pimped gear, suns or whatever with snow shield takes only diesese -> trap -> sleep -> overhealing -> gluthealing -> overhealing.
(P.S. you should've taken Cleric subclass).

Uniques should be hard, whats the point of someone killing a capped unique under hour?
RoC is first unqiue that should be called unique, because others are just a joke.
As Jackal said, you shouldnt be able to sleep unique.

Warlock debuffs (Impotent, Division, Bleed, Dull) will always work on anyone, you dont have to worry about taht at all. Anyhow, you will get reduced Holy Word to 50% eventually, it WILL happen.

This is supposed to be a teamplay based game, that is what makes it interesting to play in the first place. Now that they nerfed the warlock, it has become one build that is worthless to everyone. Say goodbye to "teamplay" in sro.

So, Warriors Clerics and Wizards will solo now? Because Warlock is missing out?


Besides, QQ more, you knew this will happen, people knew that 2 years ago.

[DarkJackal]

Not to take away from your opinion or anything but, if you are going to think like that, then why not go all the way, and make Uniques immune to ALL imbues like fire, ice, lightning and make it where the only damage done is the base damage of the weapons used against them. We have the skills for a reason, why not utilize them? If it doesn't seem fair, then why not let the Uniques pill it off or spawn mobs that can counteract/prevent them, (that would just add another dimension to the game if they did it like that).

Oh, and no, I wasn't directing my "happy" comment at you specifically, it was meant as a "blanket" comment directed towards the warlock haters in general. Sorry for the confusion


@Nitro...Just my "ignorant" opinions



@the OP- sorry for the apparent hijack, I didn't mean for it to happen.

Skills work just fine doing the dmg on bosses though, the only parts of em that don't are a few status effects, right?

I guess I just meant bosses shouldn't be effect by halting effects like stun/sleep/freeze, don't others like burn and w/e only last a couple seconds on uniques anyway?

[lentebriesje2]

joymax should make a lvl restriction for uniques

all those f*cking lvl 100 killing TG/ISY/URU/etc.

if a lvl restriction is made for lvls possible to attack isy (like lvl 0 ~ 35 can attack TG/CERB , 35 ~ 45/50 can attack URU/that pirate woman thingy xD etc. )

that would bring low lvl pt hunting back in the game.. probably some high lvl's will make noob chars full sun to take out uniques at that lvl but atleast other people get a chance too instead of a lvl 100 running around with 100% speed 3hitting TG :|

i know, life isn't fair

[wantux]

true INT warlock are so nerfed ... any chinise can own int warlock with ice wall and if new stones they wont have any chance + they cant kill STR/cler so warlock totaly useless and debuffs on uniques now wont work 100% with desease ... ahh shit i think i will dlvl warlock......

[Tok_Sic]

Warlock isnt completely nerfed out the game, maybe there are stones that are weakening your warlock that are easily obtainable, but that doesnt mean Warlock is nerfed.

That is truly a matter of personal opinion, so I won't argue that point because there are valid arguments for both sides.

Code: Select all

Magic Stone Of Incandescence
Description: Magical properties of protection granted to the disease [Accessories]
Effect: Increased probability of disease defense

Magic Stone Of Abstraction
Description: Magical properties of protection granted to the Sleep [Accessories]
Effect: Increased probability of the surface protection

Even with these stones, I wouldnt be suprised if you put diesese on someone like you are doing it nowdays, because this is Joymax we are talking about (read: bad programed game).
Remember the times when Warlock's stun had like ~40% chance to succeed, and then suddenly after Tuesday's inspection my every 7th stun failed?

Well, time will tell how these stones will affect the Warlock skills. Maybe I did jump the gun a lil bit, but like you said "this is Joymax we are talking about (read: bad programed game)". I am just assuming that they have screwed this up just as everything else they do.

Things are unpredictable at Joymax. Warlock is completely overpowered build, and it needs to get nerfed down, come on, killing an full Int with pimped gear, suns or whatever with snow shield takes only diesese -> trap -> sleep -> overhealing -> gluthealing -> overhealing.
(P.S. you should've taken Cleric subclass).

The reasons I took Warlock over Cleric were for the better solo opportunities and I thought that it would have a better shot at "Unique" parties, as there are a lot more Clerics than there are Warlocks. In a grind party Bards are needed, but in a Unique-mob party I figured that people would welcome a Warlock, over a Bard, just for the debuffs. And if that wasn't the case then I could still Bard buff.

And yes, I have stated that the trap/sleep thing needs to be fixed because that truly isn't fair to anyone. I only used that exploit on party mobs myself.

Uniques should be hard, whats the point of someone killing a capped unique under hour?
RoC is first unqiue that should be called unique, because others are just a joke.
As Jackal said, you shouldnt be able to sleep unique.

True. But I never said that I wanted Uniques to be easy, they should be hard, otherwise what would be the point of them.

Warlock debuffs (Impotent, Division, Bleed, Dull) will always work on anyone, you dont have to worry about taht at all. Anyhow, you will get reduced Holy Word to 50% eventually, it WILL happen.

Yeah, I forgot about the Holy Word spell reduction

So, Warriors Clerics and Wizards will solo now? Because Warlock is missing out?

That's not what I meant. I meant that the warlock is being handicapped to the point of no one wanting them in a party.

Besides, QQ more, you knew this will happen, people knew that 2 years ago.

So, you think that a genuine complaint is crying. I wonder what you would think if I actually was "crying".

Anyways, anything we say here are just mute points, nothing can be done from this forum to start with. But that doesn't stop us from discussing the problems. IMO, what it really boils down to is most of us are justifying the reasons we quit sro in the first place, and we are really looking for reasons to return, but we never find any, only more reasons to not return.

[Guardia]

Uniques shouldn't be stun/sleepable anyway >.>.

Really!?!?!? WOW, nothing like JM nerfing a build completely out of a game to make some people happy.

Yep, I was a lvl 90 pure int Bard/Warlock (on the Oasis server) and I'm really pissed-off about this because now I'm a Bard/???, as the Warlock is all but useless with this, and the fact that they also incorporated Disease resistant stones. Have fun trying to kill Roc without the Warlock debuffs when they decide to nerf that too.

How hard do you want it to be to kill uniques anyway? This is supposed to be a teamplay based game, that is what makes it interesting to play in the first place. Now that they nerfed the warlock, it has become one build that is worthless to everyone. Say goodbye to "teamplay" in sro.

Who's next on the nerf list, anyone care to wager?

We killed Medusa plenty of times without warlock when it first came out. If it's hard, it's fun.

p/s : Ur DoTs increase the total party damage on Medusa. U're still contributing to the party.

[allinmustwin]

The problem i c is.. u pay good money to make a good char.. only to be wasted at the end of the road...
i mean maybe there is a lawsuit here waiting to happen...
Cause really its promising something and then when u use it ... opps dun work sry
too bad..
Same thing happened when i made a rouge/cleric at 8d... using invisible for thief great steal trades from people... oooppsss now we have invisible hack..
sry your char is f***ked