No for sure, Bad People >> Hell Good People >> Heaven.
Where will the plants go to?
Gone.
And the animals if they die?
Also Die, im not sure if there will be animals in heaven or no. so i cant answer a "coming question" .
But not some guy who made the earth in 7 days.
its a god.. not a guy, a god that says "Be" and it be.
About Jesus. Yea he was, Allah Gave him this Miracles to make people believe.
About Proofs.. i posted proofs and i know it wasnt understandble, so, i have a good one for u. in Quran there is " And The moon Split " or something like that. and the people in Muhammad time wanted a Miracle to make them believe, they wanted him to split the moon. In the past years they used a Waves (maybe Radar waves, im not sure i saw it in tv long time ago) , and they discovered that moon is 2 pieces, not 1, that waves stopped in a place.. so they knew it, and that is knows these days.
enough proof for u? , i hope i can get some1 can translate better than me, but i dont really know alot about translating and such. :S
Not at all.
EDIT: After reading some of dopplegangers posts, I do agree with him. He actually explained pretty well the way I believe.
inky wrote:Even though a lot of the things written in these so-called "Holy Books" promote things such as misogyny, homophobia, child abuse, murder/genocide, slavery, hatred against people with disabilities, and even pedophilia, you can't just accuse people of interpreting it that way - some people use it as a guide to better themselves or to comfort themselves in the event of a death in the family.
Oh lawdy lawdy you did not just say that.. What holy book of any major religion would promote child abuse, hatred against people with disabilities and pedophilia.. please give me an answer, I'd love to hear it.
Puma60 wrote:The people who are arguing that people CHOOSE to be gay, thats absolutely ridiculous, whether they are born with it or it is determined through childhood, the bottom line is it is not their choice, they cannot do anything about it. Why should gays be shunned from their religion for something they can't help? Almost every other religon has modernised and started accepting gays, but why not the Muslim religion?
What is ridiculous is that you claim that they are either born with it or something in their childhood made them that way; You are stating that as a fact, but it is your opinion. There is no proof of it as of yet. It is not a fact. The same can be said about the other idea, there is no proof that people choose to be gay either. Until there is proof for either side you can't say which is true.
About the modernizing of religion to accept gays - I'm not positive about this, as I'm not a part of the islamic faith - but I think it is because they follow the Qu'ran to the letter and not what some priest (Whatever they might call them) decides is best for them in our current times. I am a Christian and quite frankly I am disappointed in some churches.. Just in my town, in the past few years, the church I use to go to started saying that the Bible is a book that should be followed as stories to better our lives, instead of an actual historic book; which in my opinion is bullshit so I left the church as I felt it was corrupt. Not long after wards there was a man in a pue dressed as a lady.... no thanks.
ofy1993 wrote:Humans have free will animals don't. That's a huge difference. If you see yourself same as animals, that's your choice. So being part of the earth makes us the same? So, you're like a plant. You breath the same air and are a part of the earth. >->
I'm curious, does your religion not mention animals at all? In the Christian faith we as humans are rulers over the beasts of the earth. Not that we should mistreat them, but to govern and help them in any way we can.
ofy1993 wrote:A book full of rumors and theory's? And what do you live by? Let me see here;
The Big Bang THEORY. The Evolution THEORY.
Seems like to me you're living on more theories then I am.
agreed tbh. people teach and talk about evolution all the time as if it were a solid fact, which it isn't. It's still just a theory. If you don't know what a theory is... google it. We supposedly came from ape-like creatures. Okay, why have we not uncovered thousands of fossils from the millions of years of evolution from changing from ape-like to human? There was once an incident where evolutionists had thought they had found such evidence. 1922;
Spoiler!
In 1922, Henry Fairfield Osborn, the director of the American Museum of Natural History, declared that he had found a fossil molar tooth belonging to the Pliocene period in western Nebraska near Snake Brook. This tooth allegedly bore common characteristics of both man and ape. An extensive scientific debate began surrounding this fossil, which came to be called "Nebraska man", in which some interpreted this tooth as belonging to Pithecanthropus erectus, while others claimed it was closer to human beings. Nebraska man was also immediately given a "scientific name", Hesperopithecus haroldcooki.
Many authorities gave Osborn their support. Based on this single tooth, reconstructions of the Nebraska man's head and body were drawn. Moreover, Nebraska man was even pictured along with his wife and children, as a whole family in a natural setting.
All of these scenarios were developed from just one tooth. Evolutionist circles placed such faith in this "ghost man" that when a researcher named William Bryan opposed these biased conclusions relying on a single tooth, he was harshly criticised.
In 1927, other parts of the skeleton were also found. According to these newly discovered pieces, the tooth belonged neither to a man nor to an ape. It was realised that it belonged to an extinct species of wild American pig called Prosthennops. William Gregory entitled the article published in Science in which he announced the truth, "Hesperopithecus: Apparently Not an ape Nor a man. Then all the drawings of Hesperopithecus haroldcooki and his "family" were hurriedly removed from evolutionary literature.
A single pig tooth.
Sorry for going way offtopic.
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No for sure, Bad People >> Hell Good People >> Heaven.
Where will the plants go to?
Gone.
And the animals if they die?
Also Die, im not sure if there will be animals in heaven or no. so i cant answer a "coming question" .
But not some guy who made the earth in 7 days.
its a god.. not a guy, a god that says "Be" and it be.
About Jesus. Yea he was, Allah Gave him this Miracles to make people believe.
About Proofs.. i posted proofs and i know it wasnt understandble, so, i have a good one for u. in Quran there is " And The moon Split " or something like that. and the people in Muhammad time wanted a Miracle to make them believe, they wanted him to split the moon. In the past years they used a Waves (maybe Radar waves, im not sure i saw it in tv long time ago) , and they discovered that moon is 2 pieces, not 1, that waves stopped in a place.. so they knew it, and that is knows these days.
enough proof for u? , i hope i can get some1 can translate better than me, but i dont really know alot about translating and such. :S
Not at all.
EDIT: After reading some of dopplegangers posts, I do agree with him. He actually explained pretty well the way I believe.
Yea i knew that.. i cant explain very well, but if u want another proofs (which is actually hard to understand >_< ) Check Ramadan Thread. i have a post there.
+, this is what u believe, i cant change what is ur head if u dont want to change it.. and im not a scientist to explain it well, nor im a good translater.
~Edit: Check this: http://realmoon.xm.com/ , im sure u are not gonna read it all.. because i didnt >_< , but i believe in that so i dont have to read it. ~2nd Edit: Check also this vid (half of it is arabic, i just watched a small of it, when they say that nasa discovered that. Code: Select all
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NP mate I checked wikipedia before posting that So your bad translation doesn't matter, my english isn't that good eiter xD
EDIT: I just read your link. But I wonder if it really occured, why are there still different religions? Although I gotta admit, all kind of religions have things in common. I also wonder why I haven't heard any story from the bible talking about it.
VeniVidiVici wrote:NP mate I checked wikipedia before posting that So your bad translation doesn't matter, my english isn't that good eiter xD
EDIT: I just read your link. But I wonder if it really occured, why are there still different religions? Although I gotta admit, all kind of religions have things in common. I also wonder why I haven't heard any story from the bible talking about it.
Because Bible doesnt have anything to do with it, its a miracle by Muhammad, not by jesus. >.<
~Edit: ~OffTopic: i really have to say "LOL" when i read ur sig >_<
Well actually all religions have to do something with eachother. If the moon split, didn't the christians notice it? I'm sure they would have. And if so they would write it as a miracle of God to show them, he exists.
VeniVidiVici wrote:Well actually all religions have to do something with eachother. If the moon split, didn't the christians notice it? I'm sure they would have. And if so they would write it as a miracle of God to show them, he exists.
Because this happened after alot time after god gave the holy book to Christians, it was really after alot time, Also in Christians holy book, there is a text about some1 called "Muhammad" or "Ahmad" is gonna come.. and he is the last messenger from Allah (God), so, Christians holy book is already done and written (but after a time it was edited) much time before moon split, but Quran was being sent to Muhammad from Allah by time to time, and between this, People wanted Miracle... etc, i already said the story >_< .
And Jesus gave People in his time enough proofs and evidences.
If those things are true, why aren't the Islam and Christianity, one religion? Oh and the bible wasn't finished, as the Pope was still allowed to make changes in it. It would have been in the Bible if it happened.
EDIT: Can't find anything about the moon split on NASA's website.
Why are you people still arguing with SM-Count? It's obvious as day and night that he is either a homophobic douchebag or a total fcktard. If he is a fcktard, then I guess I can forgive him for his ignorance.
Environment has nothing to do with it. It's a well known and established fact that an overwhelming majority babies raised and adopted by gay parents turned out to be straight, the same probability as being raised by a straight parent.
SM-Count wrote:however if they push hard enough for you to be straight then you become straight despite the predisposition
You, my friend, are a fcktard. Why don't you stop being stubborn and listen to other people? It's who you are, you can't push and push to be someone you are not. Why don't you try pushing and pushing hard to turn from an Asian guy to a African guy, and then push more to grow a pair of wings? GTFO!!!
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VeniVidiVici wrote:If those things are true, why aren't the Islam and Christianity, one religion? Oh and the bible wasn't finished, as the Pope was still allowed to make changes in it. It would have been in the Bible if it happened.
See, thats enough proof they edited it, THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS to edit it.. its from god.. lets say.. some1 give u a msg to deliver it to some1 , the msg says "I really love u, im gonna help u soon" so, u dont like "love" and change it to "live" and remove "soon" .
This is something from god, its not a game.. So, the difference that we didnt do any editing, they did, thats why i can say there is some things that its fake in Bible, and there is "versions". and about it would be in bible if it happend.. look, Christians in that time didnt believe in Muhammad, so if they add that in their book (actually editing, and its not allowed) , they are like saying that muhammad is saying the truth, so most people will be muslims, and they dont want that.. so they dont add it.
No they would set it to their hand. They'd say like it was a message from god. And that the islam claims to be a miracle made by allah. Those are two thoughts which can never be combined.
But well, I don't actually care hehe. I don't think it's worth it to make such a discussion, especially not on the internet. And we are totally going offtopic haha
VeniVidiVici wrote:No they would set it to their hand. They'd say like it was a message from god. And that the islam claims to be a miracle made by allah. Those are two thoughts which can never be combined.
But well, I don't actually care hehe. I don't think it's worth it to make such a discussion, especially not on the internet. And we are totally going offtopic haha
yea xD this is super offtopic, but i actually have to go now.. watch tv etc..
anyways, u can just google "Moon Split Proofs" "Moon Split Pics" , etc etc
about BOLD, no.. u know why? because arabs asked for that.. it would be written much time before Christians even notice.. it cant be done.
SM-Count wrote:@Xem Before we discuss any of that, because all of it is based off an assumption, do you have evidence that a gay brain causes homosexuality? (i.e. we look at a brain and we can tell they're going to be gay, bar none?)no just that they process information differently at least in men.
Yes, information is processed differently at a electrochemical level, but that doesn't mean some who has a gay brain is automatically gay. At least that's the stance until someone can prove that a gay brain => gay human, as of right now, there's no evidence we're born gay. Which brings back the main point of evidence. True but it is a clear difference that can't be ignored. The study didn't conclude that this type of thought process means the person is gay only that gay men on average have a different type of thought process than straight men.
Schizophrenic brains are different than 'normal' brains, but people with larger than normal ventricles in their brains have never displayed symptoms. (a basic predisposition study that's based on an actual disorder rather than sexuality and thus it's been studies more extensively) This is why scientists are so careful not to say people are born schizophrenics. I bet you can not find any reputable article where a researcher will tell you people are born gay, no other factors are involved. This is absolutely wrong because there's no evidence to support it, all we have is data on how the brain looks different, and again, I stress it does not imply causality. You won't find anymore reputable evidence that implies it is a choice either. Im saying what when you line up the factors and differences more of them fall on the biological side than on the social/environmental side.
Oh, and I did read the entire thing before replying and ignoring it, but statements such as:
By that i mean a gay brain is a gay brain and the most hormonal changes could do is alter a gay brain but it can't turn it into a straight one
and
Sexuality does not adapt in youth, it develops
and
If sexuality could adapt than there would be no gay people in areas where gays are persecuted because there is clearly nothing to be gained from having to go through what they will be forced to endure.
Imply that sexuality is predetermined instead of predispositioned, which I'm getting tired of saying is not proven. And for the last quote, my reply was in my last reply:
2. Predisposition does not mean there's something wired in you that will make you gay unless environment and social factors come into play.
Of course predisposition is on a scale, so the gay people in that environment would be 'more' predispositioned by their bio (in terms of brains, a male would have more definite straight-female features) so while most are going to be straight, some of the gay males would want to rebel by becoming gay. (of course, I'm making shit up now, but you can see there exists explanations as plausible as your own) There is no logical reason for a brain to rebel and adopt a trait that is socially detrimental and goes against basic biological functions. Your theory, if im understanding it, would be that there are no such thing as homosexual and heterosexuals only people predispositioned, via sex, to be attracted to males or females. Your underlined part implies that there is a active decision being made then to opt for homosexual behavior instead of heterosexual behavior. Like you said at that point you were making shit up but that does not give it plausibility. If your theory is correct than people would be able to determine their sexuality based on certain environmental factors. This is not true, the twins are a perfect ample of how little the role of environment plays in this issue. If everyone was predispositioned one way or another and then later on confirmed it and settled it what is to stop someone from changing it. There are no credible studies that show that a persons sexuality can be changed and to me that is where your argument falls apart. If you imply that people can become homosexual than it would mean that homosexuals can become straight and all evidence points to that being not the case.
As for the biology thing, nerve connections change a lot during youth and that could have a huge influence. Kid plays chess, new nerve connections favoring logic form. Kid walks in on mommy and daddy and decides that's disgusting, new nerve ending favoring homosexuality form. (The first one is proved, the second one I made up but is plausible and I'd even say likely. Of course you can't really test the second one...) Your test imply more developing, not adapting. It is building on factors that are already there not creating ones that do not exist. A persons mind can only work with what they have and grow from there. Even if you force a child to play chess, if he doesn't have the intelligence to understand and comprehend it then he won't get anything out of it. If what you imply is true than it would mean that all kids are genius waiting to be molded and the only thing holding them back is that they don't get the proper molding. We both know that is not true. The chess player developing skills that favor logic is merely building on what is already there not creating something new. The intelligence and comprehension levels are there, now they are given direction with logical thinking but its not as if that sprang from nothingness.
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Plutonium wrote:Environment has nothing to do with it. It's a well known and established fact that an overwhelming majority babies raised and adopted by gay parents turned out to be straight, the same probability as being raised by a straight parent.
Then it's entirely possible that whatever causes developing minds to become homosexual is not dependent on controllable factors in their upbringing.
Don't tell me, however, that you come out of the womb with that predisposition.
Plutonium wrote:Why are you people still arguing with SM-Count? It's obvious as day and night that he is either a homophobic douchebag or a total fcktard. If he is a fcktard, then I guess I can forgive him for his ignorance.
Environment has nothing to do with it. It's a well known and established fact that an overwhelming majority babies raised and adopted by gay parents turned out to be straight, the same probability as being raised by a straight parent.
SM-Count wrote:however if they push hard enough for you to be straight then you become straight despite the predisposition
You, my friend, are a fcktard. Why don't you stop being stubborn and listen to other people? It's who you are, you can't push and push to be someone you are not. Why don't you try pushing and pushing hard to turn from an Asian guy to a African guy, and then push more to grow a pair of wings? GTFO!!!
Plutonium wrote:Why are you people still arguing with SM-Count? It's obvious as day and night that he is either a homophobic douchebag or a total fcktard. If he is a fcktard, then I guess I can forgive him for his ignorance.
lol..
SM-Count wrote:however if they push hard enough for you to be straight then you become straight despite the predisposition
You, my friend, are a fcktard. Why don't you stop being stubborn and listen to other people? It's who you are, you can't push and push to be someone you are not. Why don't you try pushing and pushing hard to turn from an Asian guy to a African guy, and then push more to grow a pair of wings? GTFO!!![/quote]
fail comparison is fail you can prove someone is azN by so many things. General looks, genetic structure... to know someone is gay, they would either have to tell you or just be a flaming homo (Basically telling the world, look at me I'm gay). I think you're the one being ignorant. Noone knows why people are gay. They could be born like it, choose to be, social, environmental.... Nobody knows. We do however have tests to prove if someone is Asian, lol.
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zShared wrote:fail comparison is fail you can prove someone is azN by so many things. General looks, genetic structure... to know someone is gay, they would either have to tell you or just be a flaming homo (Basically telling the world, look at me I'm gay). I think you're the one being ignorant. Noone knows why people are gay. They could be born like it, choose to be, social, environmental.... Nobody knows. We do however have tests to prove if someone is Asian, lol.
your first post here was crass and ill thought out showing not only a lack of understanding of the subject matter but also the normal amount of arrogance that usual accompanies such ignorance. But i indulged you anyway. Here again you prove just how little you know.
XemnasXD wrote:your first post here was crass and ill thought out showing not only a lack of understanding of the subject matter but also the normal amount of arrogance that usual accompanies such ignorance. But i indulged you anyway. Here again you prove just how little you know.
My first post was a bunch of quotes from the bible, agreeing with SM that there is no proof for either side and asking you for more information on what you claim to be homosexual animals.. how anything I wrote in that post is arrogant or ignorant, I do not know :|
Just one study but its credible and gives good insight...
think twice before you speak or in your case three or four times...its easier to spot a gay than you think.
Also my convo with SM has so far been extremely civil. If you're not going to keep up the same attitude go somewhere else cause you're not helping...
I don't think my posts here were not civil at all. The first one to say anything uncivil in this topic was Deedeedee, and then pluto called SM an ignorant fcktard so I pointed out that maybe he was the one being ignorant. Sorry if you took it as something else. I read the study, and it looks credible. They don't know why though.. I'd hope they go and do further research on it.
@Mirosuke What, what? You can tell someones ethnicity from looking at their DNA.
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The Bible. Got an annoying child who won't listen to you? Call your town buddies and stone him to death! God (of the "Old Testament") hates "deformed/handicapped" beings; wanna' bang a hot chick and marry her guilt free? Rape her and pay the father a few shekels - I think a nice crispy check would also do the job. Don't have the money to pay a hooker for heads? Go oblige one of your sons to do it - if they refuse, call "God" and tell him to smite them. You're not telling me you have never heard of the passages regarding these have you?
Well, since I'm too tired and headed for work, I'm afraid I'll just go and update this post next time I have some free time. That is unless you get off your ass and start googling for those Bible passages yourself. I'm sure I have a collection of them lying around somewhere in my group forum
@SM-Count:
A Knife: go grab one and cut off your jugular.
Kidding
But seriously, I don't even see the point of trying to argue with someone as indoctrinated and ignorant as you. Push yourself to be straight? Are you fucking kidding me?! Unless you've been living under a goddamn rock your entire life, there's simply no excuse for that kind of ignorance. Besides, why would someone go against their gender orientation simply to satisfy the desires of a few delusional individuals?
I checked wikipedia before posting that 
So your bad translation doesn't matter, my english isn't that good eiter xD
