[ Request ] Information about a hybrid spear build.

[Lincoln]

Lateley I have been argueing with myself about this build.
Some say go lightning but I just had a bich cold light hybrid char and I don't want that again.

Therefor I would go Hybrid spear (keep mag @ 82-86% (naked)) and go for 100 Heuk 100 Fire 100 Ice.
In the beginning I would up light 12 for the speed, n dlvl it later.

I was wondering if u guys could help me out on this, 'cause tbh I think the fire build poons lightning build. (I could be wrong though)

.Lincoln.

[Thomas42]

Well with 100 fire instead of light, you'd gain:
-a stronger imbue
-more magical defense
-a lil bit more physical damage
-more and stronger nukes
-firewall

However, you'd lose:
-speed; drugs of typhoon instead
-magical attack buff; the stronger imbue kinda makes up for this
-parry; dodging stones will be your friends
-splash damage; it is for fun only anyway

Hope I helped.

[DropOut]

Fire is stronger than lightning, your dmg is bigger and you have much more mag def + bad a$$ looking nukes

[Lincoln]

However, you'd lose:
-speed; drugs of typhoon instead
-magical attack buff; the stronger imbue kinda makes up for this
-parry; dodging stones will be your friends
-splash damage; it is for fun only anyway

Hope I helped.

That's what I thought, u can make up what u loose with stones or drugs, but u can't do that with firewise.

U helped me fo real, thanks
Let me await more replies

[Jekman]

Not hating on Fire but would it really kill you people to be less biased?

Using Dodging Stones and scrolls does not completely make up for not having Concentration & Heaven's Force because chances are, people who have those buffs will still have Dodging stones and scrolls as their friends. You will STILL have less parry than them.

Anyone ever heard of Drug of Ghost Walk? No? That's because there's none. Moving Speed is not the only advantage of Lightning.

Lion Shouts. This skill makes up quite well for Lightning's slightly weaker damage. But you don't need this. Buy a Drug of Lion Shout or ask a friend to use it on your target.

[Thomas42]

Not hating on Lightning, but you can still finish enemies with Ghost Spear.

[Jekman]

Yeah, because that's obviously just as fast.

edit: typo

[Thomas42]

Ghost Spear has a delay AFTER doing damage. >_>

[Jekman]

Everyone knows that. What, you're not hitting anything else after that? You're not gonna have to run closer to your target?

[Thomas42]

finish enemies

You're not gonna have to run closer to your target?

No?

[Lincoln]

Well u can make up the losses of not having lightning partially, but can u make up for the losses by not having fire?!

+, if u have a drug of typhoon, u'll run @ 100% wich a FF lightning char cannot, so if they ghostwalk out of there u'll get them back rather fast, no?

[Trice]

light > fire

as ^ said, light users use stones too.
also, drugs for speed are not a good alternative. way expensive, even if you use elements. Also, the sheer number youw ould need to create over the course of 90/100 levels?

if i recall, at 90, the light nuke is stronger. with conc, this'll piss all over fire imb/fire nuke. and lets be fair, if you are spear, ppl gonna die anyway regardless, and if they dont, its much much faster to finish with a shout than a spear move. no delay after and instant use. also, you can pop off 2 sometimes even 3 shouts very quickly.

also phantom is hugely underated. when you are jobbing, zip into range and nuke! when you are scared, zip away! zip zip zip away! not even drugged up ppl will catch you. and for certain pvp nuke zip stun nuke is a must. and, pve, nuke zip, pick up itum, nuke zip, pick up item. etc etc.

drugs are an expensive replacement for speed
universal pills are nto an expensive replacement for that fire buff
sure you get some mag def, but id rather have the parry + dmg from light coz lets be fair, if a dirty wizz is gonna LC nuke you from invis, that extra mag def wont help that much. and dot forget you are int. you have mag def as it is.

[DropOut]

light > fire



lets be fair, if a rogue is gonna DD prick you from stelth, that extra phy def wont help that much.

Fire = mag def

[Jekman]

No?

Umm... you've never finished an enemy that's not right in front of you? Oh, that's because you don't have Ghost Walk.

Well u can make up the losses of not having lightning partially, but can u make up for the losses by not having fire?!

+, if u have a drug of typhoon, u'll run @ 100% wich a FF lightning char cannot, so if they ghostwalk out of there u'll get them back rather fast, no?

Who said a FF Lightning char cannot have a drug of Typhoon? He simply does not have to spend as much gold as you do all the time.

The only thing you won't make up for is immunity to statuses. Quite important but as you can see, Lightning is not nearly half as useless as some people make it to be.

[Trice]

light > fire



lets be fair, if a rogue is gonna DD prick you from stelth, that extra phy def wont help that much.

Fire = mag def

zomg. noob trice. edited.
thats what happens when you are talkin on msn to convice your mate not to make an ice fire blader >_<

[DropOut]

IMO I prefer fire nukers, when I pvp I rather pvp against a light than a fire nuker why? Almost all the cold / lightning nukers are NOT imune. Ofc that's why you have pills right? But take your lvl1 cold imbue and start fighting. Who will have the advantage?
If you are not imune to cold and you pvp against someone with a cold imbue you have a big problem ...

[Lincoln]

Can we stay on topic :p
Give me pro's and cons about the build? xD
I really need to now..
Got a lot of useful posts, but some are less useful >.>

[Thomas42]

Well I told what I thought, but I have to agree with Trace and Jekman that Lightning has its not-so-ignorable pros too.

[Lincoln]

Let's say I'd go Fire Cold Heuk.
I keep my mag balance @ 82 naked, imo that would be a nice build, Mr tank-a-lot, Mr kill-a-lot.

[Trice]

Let's say I'd go Fire Cold Heuk.
I keep my mag balance @ 82 naked, imo that would be a nice build, Mr tank-a-lot, Mr kill-a-lot.

mr doesnt kill as much as he could 90+
mr walks pretty slow
mr cant phantom
mr might be immune, but has no parries

[Lincoln]

Then how about

100 Fire
100 Heuksal
54 Light
46 Cold

Or a variant on that.

[Spik3r]

Hmm I'm going 100fire / 100 heuk 68ice/32 light.

Not 100% , I still can edit a bit on the way to cap.

But I'm 2:1 Int spear so

Goodluck anyways!

[GooseBumbs]

Imo, spear nuker should go: - 100 heuksal (duh)
- 100 light
- 100 cold
And 1:5 build

[Trice]

Then how about

100 Fire
100 Heuksal
54 Light
46 Cold

Or a variant on that.

id say you need more cold. the phy passive and buff is so important after 60. look at the jump in size of it ^^

and i went 1:7, but i reckon 1:5 might work. 1:7 for me though, coz im not takin any fire

[Lincoln]

So what if I would keep my mag balance @ 82% NAKED, what should u do?

I would go fire cold heuk ofcours >.<

[kreisimees]

So what if I would keep my mag balance @ 82% NAKED, what should u do?

I would go fire cold heuk ofcours >.<

Seriously.. You should go
Fire 100
Heuk 100
Cold 60
Light 40
with that kind of hyb. Since 40% snow is enough to tank and 40 light has enough speed(If anyone says low parry, then it's only slightly lower parry what you would get from 100 light anyway..That buff sucks bigtime, get dodging scrolls).

And to prove my point, i had this kind of build before i left the game.

[Trice]

So what if I would keep my mag balance @ 82% NAKED, what should u do?

I would go fire cold heuk ofcours >.<

ah indeed. less int there than in mine. my naked mag will be 88, so i dont need the fire

[ultraphoenix]

Don't misunderstand Lightning / Fire...
Fire nukes got more attack power, that's true, but...did you ever read the text of the piercing force buff? it says it increases the magical DAMAGE, so (very simplified) :
atk power - armor = dmg <- and that dmg will be increased, so it kinda ignores the enemies defence. If the enemy doesn't have a very good defence, then fire will hit harder, of course. (who hasnt got a good defence in lvl 90+ ?)

so i would definitely go 100 weapon 100 ice and 100 light
another suggestion of me would be 100 weapon 100 ice 80light and 20fire (immune)

[Jekman]

People on this board seem to have decided that the 18% from Piercing Force goes to the (300%) thingy of the Lightning nuke, making it (318%). Hence the claim that Fire's (330%) thing is still stronger.

[Solemn]

actually it'd be 18% of the 300%

making it 354