ping_lo wrote:Lol I am the simple minded one because I see a difference in doing work on a PC and wasting time on SRO. You do realize how foolish you sound atm right? Wanna prove your point? Then answer the question. If they love the game so much why do they have to have a program play most of it for them when they are perfectly capable themselves.
The reason I called you simple minded is because you lack the ability to understand both sides here; you won't even consider both sides. They don't have to have a program playing, that's what you fail to understand. You're continuing to act like botters are brain-washed, worthless, arrogant(some are of course), piece of shit scum and not actual people. I know plenty of SRO players who have searched out other games with no long-term luck, which resorts them back to having some relation to SRO. You do realize some people are TRYING to find a game to legitimately level in, right? They are waiting for the right game. Until then they find an alternative to occupy time when their not busy with something else.
After that it's all about routine I'm sure you know that, once you get in a specific routine you enjoy that routine and repeat it. Doesn't matter what it is, people don't like changing their routine in life or online.
ping_lo wrote:Uh legits don't have to focus on it 12 hours a day either. And IIRC legits were way more social as a rule than the botters because we are actually there the whole time. Lets see I talked to friends while training. When people still played the game got notice of trades etc and took breaks from training to jack them with friends. Or take breaks to make AFK botters go murder and strip em. Sounds like you have not been around very many legits to say imply something as ignorant as you just did.
I wasn't saying legits have to focus 12 hours a day, I know most don't. Casual players are great, I used to have numerous friends that would share PT grind their 3 hour gold ticket at 9pm everyday, then stall or log off. Trust me, I know. However, you were acting as if botters like Amalie do spend 12+ hours a day putting full focus, money, attention on SRO. That's what I fail to understand from you. You do realize botters use ventrilo's too, right? Botters even bot with other friends in share parties, sure it may not include the actual physical social part, but they ARE still interacting. If you want to argue they aren't as social IN-GAME as legits are, then fine, I'll give you that. But, their is no difference being social through forums, MSN, AIM, IRC, etc. when it comes to botter vs. legit. I haven't been around many legits? Looks like you're the ignorant one.
ping_lo wrote:It is the game so it does not matter. You don't want to do it then you should just work to get to a level you can attain or go play an easier game. You don't have to be capped to play the actual game. That is just a side effect of your addicted botter friends. Why should you or anyone else be allowed to bot and ruin my experience simply because you do not like the game enough to actually play and level on your own.
You're right, it is a game, yet so many people seem to take it for more, legits and non legits. The frustration and anger that plays a part of peoples game mentality is beyond what it should have to be. Plenty of botters started SRO back in November 2005, plenty have already hit 60 at 60 cap, 70 at 70 cap, 80 at 80 cap, the game slowly became worse. THAT is when they gave up their addiction, that is when they said, you know what, I don't like this game enough to legit level in. Some are just stuck in the routine, but I wouldn't call them addicts, others are patiently waiting for all these hyped 2010 / 2011 games to come out. I'm also sure plenty fell into the "I'm just going to do what everybody else is doing" scenario, which is too bad, but it's what happened. For the few that are still extremely competitive like Amalie, it's like what I said before, higher and higher goal setting. Nobody deserves to ruin legits experience, but once programs and anti-legit tools are made, which opens new doors to goal setting, they inevitably will be used once all old interesting goals have been achieved.
ping_lo wrote:Ok then so don't start hating on us for being rightfully upset about the actions of self centered narcisistic addicted jerks like your friend. She needs help end of story. Yeah I am being harsh but it is the truth and the truth is not always some kumbaya lets hold hands thing. You like her that is fine. If you think she does not need help then she is a big enough girl to either defend herself or not care what others have to say.
I'm not hating on anybody, but you seem to be. She needs help only in your head, too bad you feel that way. She's banned from here, of course she can't defend herself and the main reason I posted was to answer the legitimately good questions and attempt to clear up a few things. Every story deserves to have two sides. Rumors, assumptions, accusations, etc. are a big part of why every story needs to have someone who has knowledge to explain, and people like you to test those explanations. It's a good thing. She could care less what anybody has to say about her, people who know her know that quite well. This isn't about that, her ego isn't torn in pieces, trust me.
ping_lo wrote:It is the grounds that you are spending way more than the game itself is worth. Especially if you have to bot and can't be bothered to actually play. Dunno why I am still responding to you as either fail to recognize addiction and foolishness or are simply out to troll and defend a "friend". It is not a matter of oppinion here. And FYI I am paying monthly for a P2P MMO that is worth it and much more fun. So spending money on an online game is not foolishness. Spending enough on a poorly run game(that you don't have the time or will to play as intended) in a month that could feed a village in africa for 2 years. That is where you reach the point of absurdity and foolishness. There is a very real line and that is over it. Yeah her money to do it with. But there is still something not right not normal there.
Addiction and botting don't go hand in hand, looks like you're the one who hasn't been around too many botters, have you? You seem overly knowledgeable about all of them personally. If I was out to troll I'd do a much better job. You're posting plausible arguments, I'm answering as to why I don't think those arguments are fully functional on their own. Simple. I completely understand why you feel spending money the way some people do on SRO isn't worthwhile and is rather foolish, but you're pushing it way to far when it comes to how absurd it really is. If people can pay their bills and have a steady living it shouldn't be seen as foolishness. You can argue it's a foolish sense of priorities, but who are you to decide someones priorities. What I think is foolish and absurd are the people who buy all the luxuries in life to act important/rich/well off only to be unable to keep their lives in check. I bet you feel the same way.
ping_lo wrote:Oh so she is going to quit SRO entirely for Aion or is she just going to bot in both of them? I never said she was so addicted that she could not do other things or even bot in other games. Simply stated that for what it is she has an unhealthy affinity for SRO at the very least. But that much is obvious.
That once a cheater always a cheater statement isn't as true as you think. She'll be legit leveling just like the rest. She IS a person you know. If she enjoys it enough of course she'll drop SRO, if not she has something to fall back on until the next fun game. Again, simple. You implied that she was so screwed up she couldn't possibly do anything else, that she was beyond addicted and unhealthy. Your posts before hand seemed to fall into the extreme scheme of things.
ping_lo wrote:Where was her self control to quit playing and move on to a game that was actually worth playing to her. If you want to show someone with self control she is no poster child. Someone with self control is someone who despite their love of the game chooses not to play it because of what immature people have done to it. I would not mind coming back to SRO. I trained by hand to 80 and would keep going. Just people like yourself ruin it and make it not worth it for me. And I am not even gonna start on your friends.
Irony is lost on this forum. This game is some freakish opposite world. Cheating is honorable and normal. Blowing large wads of cash for piss poor service or no service at all is wise and prudent expenditure. I have been playing Multiplayer computer games for almost 30 years and cheating against another person has always been wrong. Go somewhere else if you want to defend botters. Your arguments are void on this forum.
She has self-control in the sense that she can quit when she wants to, she doesn't need anyone to pry her away from the game like your acting. She found joy in SRO by turning her char into a piece of art this cap. She'll quit when she finds a better alternative. Some people hate all the games that are out right now believe it or not.
Irony isn't lost on this forum, I'm the only problem you have, leave it at that. I didn't come here to defend botters or aid my own problems, people just fail to understand certain concepts of cheaters. It's the same thing over and over on this forum when it comes to this topic, it was time for someone to post back. I came here to, for once, go through a decent 2 sided argument. I don't care what you say, people are reading regardless. People like you are too busy acting like it's Man vs. Machine. This isn't a terminator movie. Get over yourself.
