Full INT Nuker - Special, rare build, opinions

[Majorharper]

Before you start flamming me and calling me a noob, sit back roll a cig, smoke a joint, but pay attention

Me and my friend have started farming our charc, since we are 2 it will go much quicker, luckly I have two computers, where I can leave the farming charc, on, my laptop.

Anyways... to get to the point

My nuker's build would be:

Cold, Light, Force

Pros:

Cold has snow shield, and phys. defense buff
Light has speed for future in jangan cave, and magical attack increase
Force has debuffs, which could defenatly help in PvP, once you get a good snow shield + it increases your MP

Cons:

Bicheon isn't there, not as fun in PvP
More chances of dieing in PvP
Being flammed by noobs that think force nuker sucks...


This is another valid reason:

So far, no 1 has, or very few have tried this out, because, they think its a total failiure?
Lemme put it this way, lets say, you build up a good set +5 FB e.t.c have a good sword and shield, debuff the charc, with all the debuffs in force, then nuke the mofo, that would make the damage of the nuke so much more...

Ofcourse people are going to say: ''well your nukes might do a lot of damage, but the opponent will have more time to deal faster damage!!!''
I understand that, and its a risk to take, thats why there is a Ice wall, usefull against all str char

So yea, please no flamming, its an experimental charc, and I want to see if you have furthur Pros, and Cons, regarding this build.

**If money allows I would get garment + armor set**
Armor against STR
Garment against INT

Thanks a lot for the suggestions

Keep it cool

[Tasdik]

People have tried this build before.

I think this build sucks. Debuffs can in noway make up for not having bicheon. Not only do you lose the benefit of having kd+stab, you won't have a way to interrupt attacks. But you also don't get the extra block % ratio passive buff. People will be able to regain their hp while your wasting 5 seconds casting nuke after nuke after nuke. Bicheon has some debuffs later on. Of and you forgot about clerics.

[Majorharper]

Of and you forgot about clerics.

Yep, true my mistake, i'll have to see

[muyo]

Yeah,unless JM make a light nuke with low damage but with knockback effect/any defensive effect:D .(Fire do have low damage nuke with fast cast,Flame Bomb)

[Goseki]

Great Build. 2-Flaws

1) Cleric = screwed
2) Stun = screwed

[Majorharper]

I believe at the 110 or future cap there will be a stun force debuff, only speculations though, not sure if its true or not, that would help me a lot, yet, i doubt ill reach 100, i have a full time job, and a life... lol

Ill have to see, i still didnt use any stat points yet and its lv 12 with something like 2500 sp already...

**lots of coffee, gotta love tim hortons!**

[reeku]

Bicheon's debuffs are way less likely to work than force's. Bicheon is very different from force; force heals and debuffs; bicheon attacks and protects. Bicheon debuffs are not likely to happen in a 1vs1 fight, so you definitely shouldn't rely on them. Force on the other hand, has a very high success ratio of debuffing. Anyways if you can successfully debuff with this build, your enemy is nearly doomed (unless it pills it off). This build is very nice, you'd probably have a lot of fun with it, dealing tons of damage on debuffed people. There are some videos at youtube with this build:

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To find more simply search for "silkroad force nuker" or "silkoad int force" and such.

Of course, this build has some serious cons, every build has it's cons, but this one's are more like, troublesome, such as:
-A holy spell would make you completely unable to debuff your enemy. Therefore you'd be fighting like if you had only cold/lightning with force healing skills. This would be especial trouble at group pvping. You'd still be effectiv
-If you get knocked down or stunned before debuffing you'd have some serious trouble, unless you are possibly hybrid.
-You are not able to actually disable your opponents (make them stop with skills such as stun/KD/KB) as you lack weapon skills. Debuffs kind of make up for that, as you'd deal tons of damage.
-Blue pills will seriously trouble you unless you have some serious skills at debuffing and predicting.

[Majorharper]

Bicheon's debuffs are way less likely to work than force's. Bicheon is very different from force; force heals and debuffs; bicheon attacks and protects. Bicheon debuffs are not likely to happen in a 1vs1 fight, so you definitely shouldn't rely on them. Force on the other hand, has a very high success ratio of debuffing. Anyways if you can successfully debuff with this build, your enemy is nearly doomed (unless it pills it off). This build is very nice, you'd probably have a lot of fun with it, dealing tons of damage on debuffed people. There are some videos at youtube with this build:

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To find more simply search for "silkroad force nuker" or "silkoad int force" and such.

Of course, this build has some serious cons, every build has it's cons, but this one's are more like, troublesome, such as:
-A holy spell would make you completely unable to debuff your enemy. Therefore you'd be fighting like if you had only cold/lightning with force healing skills. This would be especial trouble at group pvping. You'd still be effectiv
-If you get knocked down or stunned before debuffing you'd have some serious trouble, unless you are possibly hybrid.
-You are not able to actually disable your opponents (make them stop with skills such as stun/KD/KB) as you lack weapon skills. Debuffs kind of make up for that, as you'd deal tons of damage.
-Blue pills will seriously trouble you unless you have some serious skills at debuffing and predicting.

+1 that just convinced me to go for nuker force thanks a lot!

appreciate your trobules to get me this!

[TillTheEnd]

you would do great vs players that are poor "noobs" and can't afford pills(purification)/improper use of them. good example, the above video.

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or make a warlock/wizard...

debuff+nukes

[BloodyBlade]

or make a warlock/wizard...

debuff+nukes

I used a friends warlock/wizard, but cleric or even bard is so much better for a wizard.

+ I remember someone from my uni had this build, and he leveled really fast..

[Goseki]

The only people that can't afford puri pills in 1vs1 pvp are those who are under lvl 70. So you'll be able to debuff those ppl under lvl 70 and win. Woo. Enjoy getting raped at higher lvls.

Of course, this build has some serious cons, every build has it's cons, but this one's are more like, troublesome, such as:
-A holy spell would make you completely unable to debuff your enemy. Therefore you'd be fighting like if you had only cold/lightning with force healing skills. This would be especial trouble at group pvping. You'd still be effectiv
-If you get knocked down or stunned before debuffing you'd have some serious trouble, unless you are possibly hybrid.
-You are not able to actually disable your opponents (make them stop with skills such as stun/KD/KB) as you lack weapon skills. Debuffs kind of make up for that, as you'd deal tons of damage.
-Blue pills will seriously trouble you unless you have some serious skills at debuffing and predicting.

Ur joking... Unless someone isn't bicheon, I can't imagine why you would take force unless you are pure str. The healing is only useful if you can afford to tank the hits to heal yourself. Pure int with force would just crumple. You also forget, bicheon has bleed, something force does not. Bleed is the ONLY debuff I believe that can go through holy spell.

Debuff does not in any way make up for wep skills disableing your opponent. The closest it can do is make your opponent lose about 30% dmg. As a pure int though, a crit + ghost spear will mean instant-death. With bowers, this build would die unbelieveably fast. Spam kb every time you attempt to debuff, than a strong bow. The only people that pvp without puri pills are either noobs, under lvl 70, turks, or were also "pvping" you without pots as well to tease you.

[PocketSunshine]

I tried making this build before. Honestly, I had fun with it. The only crappy part is that you don't get your "good" debuffs until higher levels, so you can't enjoy it fully at lower levels. It's not the greatest build to PvP with, mainly because it takes so long to get a nuke off and by the time you get attack, the opponent has most of his HP back.

[Majorharper]

I tried making this build before. Honestly, I had fun with it. The only crappy part is that you don't get your "good" debuffs until higher levels, so you can't enjoy it fully at lower levels. It's not the greatest build to PvP with, mainly because it takes so long to get a nuke off and by the time you get attack, the opponent has most of his HP back.

Shock lion shout? I would nuke, shout 3 times, nuke again (ice nuke->fast) then lightning nuke again

[Tasdik]

Ice nuke is weak sauce though.

[Infect]

*sigh*

If i'm going to be honest with you, i think its a terrible build.
Mainly due to the fact that you have no way of stopping Mobs or players from attacking you. This means that if you are low on health you have no way of regen this.
Pacheon - Now 6Arrow and 5Arrow KB to regen health.
Bicheon - KD + New chain gives Fear, Dull and Stun
Heuksal - KB with Ghost Spear, Stun and Dull.
Force - NOTHING

You have to take into account that you will only recieve good Force debuffs at much higher levels, so for most of your time playing, force will be useless. I would also like to add that your only moves will all be slow hitting. A good bower at cap will be able to take you down without you hitting them once, as they will notice you casting a nuke and immediately KB. As you have no weapon to KB / Stun / KD etc. There will be nothing you can do to stop it.

I think its a rare build because it really isnt very good. While it will probably be the strongest hitting chinese char with Light Mag Damage Buffs + Force Debuff + Fire nuke. You will struggle alot.

If you want high damage but low survival rates. Go wizard imo.

[EDIT: Your absolutely screwed against Holy Word / Spell]

[Majorharper]

*sigh*

If i'm going to be honest with you, i think its a terrible build.
Mainly due to the fact that you have no way of stopping Mobs or players from attacking you. This means that if you are low on health you have no way of regen this.
Pacheon - Now 6Arrow and 5Arrow KB to regen health.
Bicheon - KD + New chain gives Fear, Dull and Stun
Heuksal - KB with Ghost Spear, Stun and Dull.
Force - NOTHING

You have to take into account that you will only recieve good Force debuffs at much higher levels, so for most of your time playing, force will be useless. I would also like to add that your only moves will all be slow hitting. A good bower at cap will be able to take you down without you hitting them once, as they will notice you casting a nuke and immediately KB. As you have no weapon to KB / Stun / KD etc. There will be nothing you can do to stop it.

I think its a rare build because it really isnt very good. While it will probably be the strongest hitting chinese char with Light Mag Damage Buffs + Force Debuff + Fire nuke. You will struggle alot.

If you want high damage but low survival rates. Go wizard imo.

Too many pros and cons
ill try it and in a couple months post another topic, wether its good or not
^^

[Infect]

*sigh*

If i'm going to be honest with you, i think its a terrible build.
Mainly due to the fact that you have no way of stopping Mobs or players from attacking you. This means that if you are low on health you have no way of regen this.
Pacheon - Now 6Arrow and 5Arrow KB to regen health.
Bicheon - KD + New chain gives Fear, Dull and Stun
Heuksal - KB with Ghost Spear, Stun and Dull.
Force - NOTHING

You have to take into account that you will only recieve good Force debuffs at much higher levels, so for most of your time playing, force will be useless. I would also like to add that your only moves will all be slow hitting. A good bower at cap will be able to take you down without you hitting them once, as they will notice you casting a nuke and immediately KB. As you have no weapon to KB / Stun / KD etc. There will be nothing you can do to stop it.

I think its a rare build because it really isnt very good. While it will probably be the strongest hitting chinese char with Light Mag Damage Buffs + Force Debuff + Fire nuke. You will struggle alot.

If you want high damage but low survival rates. Go wizard imo.

Too many pros and cons
ill try it and in a couple months post another topic, wether its good or not
^^

Dont do it! Get rid of Force and go Heuksal / Bicheon! I think the only way you can get away with having Force, is if you are Pure STR / Hybrid.

[biloul]

Regarding the cons of this build, why we don't consider a bicheon/force/cold build ?

Force = Like all was said before, it s used to debuff, we are OK
Bicheon = Your main dealers skills in PvP. You can last longer in 1v1 and you hit hard thanks to your debuff
Cold = Necessary for an INT build ( snow shield, guard of ice and passive). Moreover your imbue will be Cold

I admit, with cold you will deal less damage as with fire or ice.
But, vs some people, your ice imbue can make them fool (because they are not immune enough).
Moreover I m sure the debuff will be so significant that the lake of mag power of ice will be over...

What do you think ?

[reeku]

The only people that can't afford puri pills in 1vs1 pvp are those who are under lvl 70. So you'll be able to debuff those ppl under lvl 70 and win. Woo. Enjoy getting raped at higher lvls.

Good point. Though you'll still be able to debuff people above level 70, it's just that they'll be able to take your debuffs off with pills. I'm not 100% sure myself, but there must be some ways of fooling your enemy with debuffs and making them waste their pills which have a 15s delay, like put only one debuff, and right when they pill it off, put as many other debuffs as possible and try killing him in the following seconds. I dunno, these might be some ways of getting around pills. You have like 4 (if I recall it correctly) different debuffs with different cooldowns each at high levels, and they can only pill it/them off once each 15s.

Ur joking...
I was about to ask the same for you.
Unless someone isn't bicheon, I can't imagine why you would take force unless you are pure str.
Debuffs? Curing debuffs on you and partners? Resurrecting? Natural therapy (for pwrlvling possibly)? MP Passive (for use with snow shield and healing skills)? Notice I do know euros do these more effectively. But that's no reason for not going for it in my opinion.
The healing is only useful if you can afford to tank the hits to heal yourself.
What about when under snow shield? And what about going hybrid?
Pure int with force would just crumple.
I disagree.
You also forget, bicheon has bleed, something force does not.
Yeah, and? Force has healing; debuffing (way more effective than bicheon); curing; ressurecting; etc... They are different, it's a matter of preference to choose between one.
Bleed is the ONLY debuff I believe that can go through holy spell.
No it is not. Bleed, stun and panic go through holy spell. But yes, it's the only debuff which reduces defenses that goes through holy spell. It's a valid argument.

Debuff does not in any way make up for wep skills disableing your opponent.
Never said they did so. They help make up with it because they greatly reduce your enemy's defenses and offenses.
The closest it can do is make your opponent lose about 30% dmg.
And defense. I dunno about the %s exactly, but it makes a hell lot of difference.

As a pure int though, a crit + ghost spear will mean instant-death.
Possibly yes. Unless you perhaps go hybrid.

With bowers, this build would die unbelieveably fast. Spam kb every time you attempt to debuff, than a strong bow.
Eh, debuffs are nearly instant, am I wrong? So you wouldn't be able to knock him back before he casts it. And if impotent gets on you, you wouldn't be able to kill either.
The only people that pvp without puri pills are either noobs, under lvl 70, turks, or were also "pvping" you without pots as well to tease you.
Already commented this above.

*sigh*
*sigh* ^_^
If i'm going to be honest with you, i think its a terrible build.
Mainly due to the fact that you have no way of stopping Mobs or players from attacking you. This means that if you are low on health you have no way of regen this.
Hum, heal? You also have freezing/frosbiting AoE skills from cold, so... Lightning nuke + cold imbue will also be cool in these situations. Against players however yes, you have nearly no way of stopping them ,but you can phantom, and you have healing/curing skills.
Pacheon - Now 6Arrow and 5Arrow KB to regen health.
Bicheon - KD + New chain gives Fear, Dull and Stun
Heuksal - KB with Ghost Spear, Stun and Dull.
Force - NOTHING
As said, heal? And he also has lightning's phantom, and cold's wall.

You have to take into account that you will only recieve good Force debuffs at much higher levels, so for most of your time playing, force will be useless.
True, except for healing/curing/ressurecting.
I would also like to add that your only moves will all be slow hitting. A good bower at cap will be able to take you down without you hitting them once, as they will notice you casting a nuke and immediately KB. As you have no weapon to KB / Stun / KD etc. There will be nothing you can do to stop it.
Agreed, it's a con as I've said you have no weapon skills to disable your opponents.

I think its a rare build because it really isnt very good. While it will probably be the strongest hitting chinese char with Light Mag Damage Buffs + Force Debuff + Fire nuke. You will struggle alot.
Hum, no fire nuke. It's cold/force/lightning.

If you want high damage but low survival rates. Go wizard imo.

[EDIT: Your absolutely screwed against Holy Word / Spell]
Yes, as I've said: "A holy spell would make you completely unable to debuff your enemy. Therefore you'd be fighting like if you had only cold/lightning with force healing skills. This would be especial trouble at group pvping."

Dont do it! Get rid of Force and go Heuksal / Bicheon! I think the only way you can get away with having Force, is if you are Pure STR / Hybrid.

I disagree, but oh well, each to it's own.

Regarding the cons of this build, why we don't consider a bicheon/force/cold build ?

Force = Like all was said before, it s used to debuff, we are OK
Bicheon = Your main dealers skills in PvP. You can last longer in 1v1 and you hit hard thanks to your debuff
Cold = Necessary for an INT build ( snow shield, guard of ice and passive). Moreover your imbue will be Cold

I admit, with cold you will deal less damage as with fire or ice.
But, vs some people, your ice imbue can make them fool (because they are not immune enough).
Moreover I m sure the debuff will be so significant that the lake of mag power of ice will be over...

What do you think ?

I agree, but this one has already been debated before, and so far no one as far as I know has tried it. It's definitely a possibility though.

Ah notice force is not utterly only for debuffing, it has curing and healing skills among others.

[biloul]

Now I really wonder what a pure int bich/cold/force can do.
Maybe I will try when I ll be fine with my current 93 pute int s/s

[Infect]

I dont want to quote your whole pots again but i have a few points.

- In PvP as pure int you wont use your heal. You lose more health in the cast time than you do with the buff.
- I mean Light nuke not fire nuke.

But my main points are, you have no way of stopping mobs or your opponents.
You rely on force to defeat your opponents, with holy spell. You are useless.
I know somebody who tried this build and he sold it and hated it. I seriously would rethink it. I think think of a single pro of this build tbh. The only one is high damage as far as i can see, but why not go wizard or pure int spear.

[reeku]

I dont want to quote your whole pots again but i have a few points.

- In PvP as pure int you wont use your heal. You lose more health in the cast time than you do with the buff.
Unless you are about to die, phantom away and heal.
- I mean Light nuke not fire nuke.
Thought so.

But my main points are, you have no way of stopping mobs or your opponents.
True, except that for mobs and few players, as I've said you have freezing skills.
You rely on force to defeat your opponents,
Not really, you rely on your nukes+shouts to kill your opponents, force just makes it way easier with debuffs, but yes I get what you mean.
with holy spell. You are useless.
No. With holy spell, your DEBUFFS are useless. See the difference? You can still nuke and etc. Of course you won't be nearly as effective when dealing damage without debuffs.
I know somebody who tried this build and he sold it and hated it.
Lots of people hate different builds, I cannot stand playing a wizard or a blader for example. I hate them. Does that mean they suck?
I seriously would rethink it. I think think of a single pro of this build tbh. The only one is high damage as far as i can see, but why not go wizard or pure int spear.
I, on the other hand see a few more: you can resurrect, you can heal, you can cure debuffs, you can debuff, you can deal high damage with nukes (with or without debuffs) and you have a very nice moving speed from lightning as well as a sorta nice AoE from nukes. These are the ones I could think of right now. I say this is very personal, you simply don't like this build. Who knows, someone might like it. I've seen a few who love it. As I've said this build has troublesome drawbacks, but it also has it's pros.

[Goseki]

Wiz/cleric >>> China pure int force light ice, or whatever your making this out to be.

Debuff takes quit some times actually. In a pvp, I usually get about 2 kd before they finish attempting to debuff me. I say attempt since usually one or 2 of the debuff will fail.

Phantom away + 1 vigor grain would be more than enough for a pure int. Your health isn't exactly high. Self force heal is the only one that is able to cast fast enough to make a slight helpfulness in pvp, which still fails when compared to healing orbit.

A wiz has kb... this build has nothing until 110 or 120 when the magical stun debuff will make it much better. Enjoy grinding that far and getting pwned.

It's very easy to spam the puri pills. Also, the 15 secs will not really be enough. I have yet to see a pure int nuker kill a pure str with nukes unless the pure str is afk >_>. Nukes hit hard, but in pvp, the dps is too low. With Debuffs You'd prob hit the same as a wiz with LT. You already wasted time putting debuffs while the wiz only has to nuke making your dps already lower than a wiz. Even with the snow 60%, you'd just be taking hits. Eventually, your mp would be too low to cast a nuke after you used ur mp to absorb hits and debuff your opponent.

In a valid 1-1 pvp, The only build I see this one winning against is a pure str nuker...

When we said holy spell will make this build useless. We mean it. A pure int light nuker has 0 chance of killing a pure str with nukes unless he's afk. Your dmg is just too low. Wizs can barely pull it off with LT which is like them having debuffs already. I see glaivers tanking lvl 100 wizards meteors, Your light nukes will prob hit as much as a fire bolt with no LT. Not exactly kill-able.

I still don't see any pros that this build offers that a euro wiz/cleric or some other build can't do better.

[reeku]

I still don't see any pros that this build offers that a euro wiz/cleric or some other build can't do better.

I read your whole post, I agree and understand everything you said. The trivial thing about your post is in what I depicted above. As I've said, "I do know euros do these more effectively. But that's no reason for not going for it in my opinion.". This force build would be like a (perhaps somewhat ineffective) mix of warlock, cleric and wizard. I do agree that the euro counterparts do those things way more effectively, but what's wrong in going for this mixed one? I dunno, I think it's possible to enjoy using this char, even though it's not the best of all (no such thing exists anyways). What other reason to play this game do you have besides enjoying it? I say again, go for it, if you understand it's cons and pros as debated in this topic, and still like it.

[Majorharper]

I read all your posts, and no one will change my mind now, too late.
Thanks for all the information, opinions, likes and dislikes, pros and cons.

My finally word, is = FORCE FTW ^^

lol thanks guys much appreciated

Ill keep you guys updated with how the build goes, Promise!

[reeku]

Heh, I see. Glad to know you decided. I'll be waiting.

[biloul]

Same here, besides what some people said about Force, I'm fully sure that a china build with it can be viable ! By the way, if you are satisfied, I ll maybe consider a bicheon/cold/force hybrid int or full int. We will see

[-.-]

um about disabling your opponent when you got low hp... you could just heal yourself with force :S it ends up being same, both kd or heal is to get hp back up

anyways, remember with higher caps and snow shield, nukes cost a lot of mp, you might have problems using high mp cost skills if you get hit fast by weapon skills, i know force inceases mp, but rarely is your mp at full once fight starts

edit: and pots dont increase either

[reeku]

anyways, remember with higher caps and snow shield, nukes cost a lot of mp, you might have problems using high mp cost skills if you get hit fast by weapon skills, i know force inceases mp, but rarely is your mp at full once fight starts

edit: and pots dont increase either

Really good and true points. Didn't think about that. Ah, notice that force increasing your MP also increases your MP regeneration from pots I suppose. But still it wouldn't be like a godly increase or anything.