Global warming...man-made or not?

[Mirosuke]

This thread is the reason why I love OTL

Yeah, right.

[Zen]

Global warming is here for 1 reason, to create a tax on everything Carbon, wich we are, Carbon life forms,
It will probally kill middle class familys, probally more noticible in america, with all the Big industries being moved overseas, the implementation of Carbon credits and Smart meters in everyhome,
such a Idoitic thing to do to your own people when your dollar is dropping into a blackhole and banks are being nationalized.
put a new enviromental tax on everyone that they cant afford to pay, your standard of living is going to drop,
Like in my country it is killing the farm industry, every cow is taxed on carbon so the price of everything goes up to a unsustainable level.

Whether you beleive the Propoganda of global warming is up to you, there are more scientests that claim its all bullshit than there are spewing the bullshit.

here we are.. we have reached the point were humans will be taxed for breathing..

where does the money go? who controlls it all? and what will the money ultimitley be used for?

Look at the entire history of the world and what has taken place, if the carbon theory was true,
than all the mass volcanic eruptions (the biggest carbon emitors ever) would have destroyed the world 10 times over,
as humans since the industrial revolution, i doubt we have put the earth at such risk in 100 years. its all about 1 thing.. TAX the people.

[Foilin]

Global warming is here for 1 reason, to create a tax on everything Carbon, wich we are, Carbon life forms,
It will probally kill middle class familys, probally more noticible in america, with all the Big industries being moved overseas, the implementation of Carbon credits and Smart meters in everyhome,
such a Idoitic thing to do to your own people when your dollar is dropping into a blackhole and banks are being nationalized.
put a new enviromental tax on everyone that they cant afford to pay, your standard of living is going to drop,
Like in my country it is killing the farm industry, every cow is taxed on carbon so the price of everything goes up to a unsustainable level.

Whether you beleive the Propoganda of global warming is up to you, there are more scientests that claim its all bullshit than there are spewing the bullshit.

here we are.. we have reached the point were humans will be taxed for breathing..

where does the money go? who controlls it all? and what will the money ultimitley be used for?

Look at the entire history of the world and what has taken place, if the carbon theory was true,
than all the mass volcanic eruptions (the biggest carbon emitors ever) would have destroyed the world 10 times over,
as humans since the industrial revolution, i doubt we have put the earth at such risk in 100 years. its all about 1 thing.. TAX the people.

Agree. though the planet does get warmer, its all part of a cycle, weve only been watching this stuff closly for the last 150 years so we really cannot make claims. In a few years itll get cooler, and then warmer again.

[Zen]

According to Mayan calanders the sun has a 52,000 year cycle where at the end of its cycle, it as far away from earth as it can be so the earth is cooler, at around 25,000 years it is the closest to the earth that it ever comes wich is were we are at now, so its the warmest also it can be in that cycle, different stages in life like the Dark ages represented the distance from the sun,

if that knowledge is true of the suns cycle than it is great information to exploit and warn everyone that the earths going to warm and its your fault, when they very well know its simply a natutal cycle of the planet, so in 25,000 years expect to see a global tax on some other part of humanity to scare the world if we do not act now, the world will freeze over !

[Amarisa]

I hate how people are like "no Global Warming is not man's fault" when in fact it is. We were fine before the Industrial Revolution in the late 18th century, if you say it's natural then tell me why carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has gone up 35% more that it was before the Industrial Revolution? The plethora of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is eating up our Ozone and letting in more UV rays thus increasing the temperatures worldwide, melting the polar caps(leading the polar bears to extinction and if it continues many other species, possibly undiscovered will be lead to extinction), making cancer rates skyrocket worldwide, and throwing a huge wrench in the delicate weather system of the earth. even if we do find a solution, cleaner jobs, more earth friendly chemicals and machinery, Global warming will still be happening for possibly another 100-200 years(carbon has a lifespan of 75-100 years and we are not even close to finding a solution). Step up and take your responsibility.

sorry we have not been on this earth long enough to know if it is or isn't our fault. it could be natural or not we don't know. we have not had technology long enough to collect enough data to figure out this.

you should add a 3rd option of "Unknown" because thats where i'm at.

[Priam]

You're all misinformed. It's not chemicals produced by humans or some natural phenomenon that the Earth undergoes on some X amount of years. One word: Pirates.

You're my new hero, first time OTL made me laugh in years.

[Isis]

I think it is both, global warming will occur naturally, but we are speeding it up.

[DumboDii]

I think it is both, global warming will occur naturally, but we are speeding it up.

This seems most logical to me too.

[EcsTasY]

I think it is both, global warming will occur naturally, but we are speeding it up.

This seems most logical to me too.

co2 has absolutely nothing to do with climate though, only in mass amounts, and by mass amounts I'm talking like 20% of the atmosphere at the very least. co2 takes up less than a percent of the earth's atmosphere, and humans make up nearly none of that...

[Isis]

I think it is both, global warming will occur naturally, but we are speeding it up.

This seems most logical to me too.

co2 has absolutely nothing to do with climate though, only in mass amounts, and by mass amounts I'm talking like 20% of the atmosphere at the very least. co2 takes up less than a percent of the earth's atmosphere, and humans make up nearly none of that...

So what you're saying is that people have absolutely nothing to do with speeding up global warming?

[Priam]

Blasphemy!

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[Amarisa]

So what you're saying is that people have absolutely nothing to do with speeding up global warming?

if you watch the videos on page 1 of this topic you will see humans have no effect in the climate at all. this is why 1 you don't listen to the media/Al gore and 2 be careful on who we listen to for scientific data. more of the global warming stuff comes from computer models and well because we don't have enough knowledge to understand the climate we cannot predicted it at all.

[EvGa]

So what you're saying is that people have absolutely nothing to do with speeding up global warming?

if you watch the videos on page 1 of this topic you will see humans have no effect in the climate at all. this is why 1 you don't listen to the media/Al gore and 2 be careful on who we listen to for scientific data. more of the global warming stuff comes from computer models and well because we don't have enough knowledge to understand the climate we cannot predicted it at all.

At least one person watched them.

Most will simply scroll past them and continue babbling ignorant things they heard from Joe Blow the alarmist environmentalist instead of actually listening to the scientist..

[Nick Invaders]

The major greenhouse gases are water vapor (not including clouds), which causes about 36–70 percent of the greenhouse effect; carbon dioxide (CO2), which causes 9–26 percent; methane (CH4), which causes 4–9 percent[not in citation given]; and ozone (O3), which causes 3–7 percent.

FEAR THE WATER VAPOR.

Btw: The greenhouse effect is the heating of the surface of a planet or moon due to the presence of an atmosphere containing gases that absorb and emit infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases are gases that cause the greenhouse effect.

The concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since the mid-1700s. These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores. Less direct geological evidence indicates that CO2 values this high were last seen approximately 20 million years ago. Fossil fuel burning has produced about three-quarters of the increase in CO2 from human activity over the past 20 years. Most of the rest is due to land-use change, in particular deforestation.

Read Wikipedia. May not be completely accurate but it usually is.

[hypocrisy_]

we don't feel the full extent of global warming cuz of global dimming
when 9/11 happened all the planes were grounded over the us thus making america hotter by i think 1 degree cuz of the airplanes didnt let out their vapor trails that cooled down the surface and there is other shit too that we put out in the air that makes it cooler i don't remember it was like 3 months ago
enjoy most of you will prolly read the para and flame rofl
part 1
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part 2
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part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLsTdaVgsc
part 4
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part 5
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[Reise]

Don't worry guys, Al Gore is on the case.

[William-CL]

Fake...So Not. They discovered a year ago actually that the O zone temp hasn't changed in the last 10 years.......It was even announced on the news.. Does no one watch the news? .. Hmm Dum question.

[satman83]

Global warming is a load of crap

If anything the temperatures are going down. Case in point, Europe had an average that was akin to Mediterranean temperatures around 500 years ago(for all of Europe, England, France, German) meaning it was extremely hot almost all year around apart from winter, and now its getting colder.

Also this crap about the rainforest and destroying are oxygen source is also rubbish, almost 90% of all oxygen comes from the ocean. Either from water that evaporates or from the extremely large amounts of algae that cover the ocean surface, so much so that in some places on the world all you can see is 100 of miles of green on the ocean.
So cutting down the rainforest doesn’t impact as much as we are lead to believe. (but lets face it, it makes for better TV news and for political leverage to bash on about saving the trees).

Also if anything our temperature is getting lower, yes sounds crazy but we are in for an ice age soon. (wait for you to stop laughing) but its true. Of course wont be for another couple of 100 years but its going to happen, the average temperature of the planet is getting colder (when compared to records from 500, 300 and even 100 years ago, and yes they did keep records). It’s a cycle that happens every 200,000 odd so years and will happen again soon. But then again people don’t what to believe in things they consider stupid and crazy.

Take mount St.Helens in American Washington, several experts warned the government that its cycle meant it was going to erupt soon (to which “experts” on the media and government laughed at)….what happened? The volcano erupted in the late 1980’s to everyone’s shock (well apart from those that saw it coming).

At the end of the day people who say that Global warming is happening can shove as many facts and figures under your nose to back up their clam, but when asked about the planets natural cycle…they have no answer.

[EvGa]

Read Wikipedia. May not be completely accurate but it usually is.

Usually, but not in this case.

[Amarisa]

So what you're saying is that people have absolutely nothing to do with speeding up global warming?

if you watch the videos on page 1 of this topic you will see humans have no effect in the climate at all. this is why 1 you don't listen to the media/Al gore and 2 be careful on who we listen to for scientific data. more of the global warming stuff comes from computer models and well because we don't have enough knowledge to understand the climate we cannot predicted it at all.

At least one person watched them.

Most will simply scroll past them and continue babbling ignorant things they heard from Joe Blow the alarmist environmentalist instead of actually listening to the scientist..

well i enjoy listing to them then making up my mind on whats true or false. that guy also reminds me of my 8th grade science teacher lol

[dom]

I love it.

We have pseudo-intellectual tree huggers that are trying to zealously prove anthropological global warming

+ the ignorant that try to distance themselves from the pseudo-intellectuals and the mainstream, but don't realize their all regurgitating the same shit from a different camp anyways


As I have said before. The ecological footprint of man is great. We exhaust our resources and degrade the environment. Global Warming is an indicator, it is not the issue.

The "economists" in this thread fail to realize the simple things like soil degradation (see dust bowl), acidification of fresh water resources (sweden), air quality, and other effects that are provenly caused by man.

We can cry and whine about global warming, and provide "arguments" that our junior highschool teachers have told us, or regurgitate the words that are constantly being repeated by the libertarians. In either case, if you're in this argument you do not understand the situation, and your opinions are uneducated.

I don't care that I can golf an extra month into winter, global warming is trivial. I care about the fact that in 20 years our agricultural lands will no longer be capable of producing food, or that in countries like south korea, farmers won't even eat their own crops because of dangerous and toxic agricultural practices.





This used to be prime agricultural land



What happened? We were environmentally irresponsible. These are the kind of things that affect our daily lives. From an economic and human standpoint, it doesn't matter if it's man made. It's something we need to prevent, our livelihood depends on it.

[EvGa]

A hellacious drought along with uneducated farmers caused the dust bowl. Those farming methods are no longer practiced, at least not in the US. The drought was caused by unstable sea temperatures in the gulf along with the jet stream..

But I thought this was a discussion about global warming and whether it was "man-made"??? We can't prevent Earth's natural cycle, we simply can't.

[YangKang]

Oh sorry my mistake. CO2 traps heat in the earth, still contributes to Global Warming and we did increase CO2 in the atmosphere. Here ya go:


The chemistry of the ozone layer

The amount of ozone (O3) in the stratosphere is the net result of production and loss processes. Ozone is produced by photolysis (breaking apart of molecules by light) of oxygen high in the stratosphere where ultraviolet light is most intense:

O2 + UV radiation -> O + O
O2 + O + M -> O3 + M*

net: O2 + O2 -> O3 + O

Ozone is lost by conversion back to molecular oxygen (O) through two reactions:
O3 + UV -> O2 + O
O3 + O -> O2 + O2

The net effect of these reactions is O3 + O3 -> 3 O2
These last two processes only account for 20% of natural ozone destruction. The rest comes from catalytic ozone destruction.

Catalytic ozone destruction
A catalyst is a participant in a chemical reaction that emerges unchanged from the reaction.

A catalyst X destroys ozone as follows:

O3 + X -> XO + O2
XO + O -> X + O2
net: O3 + O -> O2 + O2
and X is free to do it again!

The most common catalyst is NO, nitric oxide, which accounts for 70% of ozone destruction. Others are OH (coming from water vapor), bromine (Br) and chlorine radicals (Cl). Chlorine radicals are pretty rare in nature, the only natural sources come from the oceans and volcanoes. However, humans have altered the quantity of chlorine in the atmosphere dramatically by producing chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), which contain Cl, F, and C atoms. Still man made from in my point of view.

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OMG I love you for that response. Never seen that picture fit somewhere, better than that.

[iGod]

Man-made propaganda is what it is.

[William-CL]

IMHO Global Warming is an attempt to distract us from something that the government is Hiding O.o
Wow that sounds like i watch to many movies.

[XemnasXD]

Don't worry guys, Al Gore is on the case.

oh thank god, thats a load off my mind....

can we get a lock then Al's got this one...

[William-CL]

Don't worry guys, Al Gore is on the case.

oh thank god, thats a load off my mind....

can we get a lock then Al's got this one...

He's not gonna be able to do it himself with Man-Bear-Pig on the loose.

[Amarisa]

dom mans footprint of this earth is like an ant on the sun (size comparison). plus the dust bowl was a drought with farmers over farming the land. besides that probably would of happened anyways maybe not to the extent but to some scale.

[Priam]

dom mans footprint of this earth is like an ant on the sun (size comparison). plus the dust bowl was a drought with farmers over farming the land. besides that probably would of happened anyways maybe not to the extent but to some scale.

Seriously, open your eyes.