makes you think

[Puma60]

There was a kid at my school last year who was always trying to start fights with people over the littlest things and one day someone finally beat the crap out of him, he committed suicide the same night. Always thought something was wrong with that kid.

I'd hate to be that person who beat the crap out of him. I would feel guilty for the rest of my life, if I did something that resulted in someone taking their own life. Sure he probably deserved to be beaten up, but still...

[blackfalcon]

Another man, that is not mentioned in that chapter, but about whom we had to talk, is a person who lived at the times of pre-imperial Rome. He killed himself for freedom. It might sound strange, yes, but he was chased by some soldiers and, rather than giving himself to the enemy -who was considered being wrong by Dante- he chose to not live anymore.

ya but thats different. i would rather kill myself than get taken by the enemy. but killing yourself because you got shit wrong in you life is just stupid. and most of the time the shit they kill themselves over is just stupid. theres kid dying from hunger in some country or people being kept in there parents basement 24/7 since they were 5 but they dont kill themselves.... but im sure having ur gf dump you is a good reason. not saying any of those things to u btw, just saying.

[heroo]

he survived it, but he's very very lucky.

he tried to commi suicide because his girlfriend left him, didn't know he was so desperate. he always seemed normal to me.

[Mark.]

Another man, that is not mentioned in that chapter, but about whom we had to talk, is a person who lived at the times of pre-imperial Rome. He killed himself for freedom. It might sound strange, yes, but he was chased by some soldiers and, rather than giving himself to the enemy -who was considered being wrong by Dante- he chose to not live anymore.

ya but thats different. i would rather kill myself than get taken by the enemy. but killing yourself because you got shit wrong in you life is just stupid. and most of the time the shit they kill themselves over is just stupid. theres kid dying from hunger in some country or people being kept in there parents basement 24/7 since they were 5 but they dont kill themselves.... but im sure having ur gf dump you is a good reason. not saying any of those things to u btw, just saying.

That's exactly my point.
There's reason and reason; some absolutely not worth, some not worth and some maybe.

[Love]

self destroying entities are awesome, yay !!!!

[Ningyotsukai-san]

Eh...really does make you think.

No one's alike...not everyone sees the same hue of red down their particular path (dealing w/ problems in particular, in this case)....

At times, people attempt to take their life to get attention, rather than ending it, whatever their reasons were...eh

It being selfish, yea a bit...but I'll say this: at times selfishness can be needed for some. As the definition goes ~

"Holding one’s interest for the basis of decision making."

People commit suicide for various reasons, obviously, but I strongly believe one should live, using that word loosely, to make themselves happy (no, I'm not really supporting taking your own life). I'm just saying that because, like was said above, no one's gonna come to the same conclusion as anyone else, and no one reacts similar to the next.

I was depressed, constantly contemplating suicide awhile ago...I hung on day by day, I don't know why. Seemed to just wait for days to be that bit brighter...like Xem said, real way to get through it is in yourself, though people can have an influence towards that development.

Like stated, people go through more tougher situations...but to each their own, right? The breaking point of an individual isn't set in stone, it's in them, not you.

[Locketart]

Eh...really does make you think.

No one's alike...not everyone sees the same hue of red down their particular path (dealing w/ problems in particular, in this case)....

At times, people attempt to take their life to get attention, rather than ending it, whatever their reasons were...eh

It being selfish, yea a bit...but I'll say this: at times selfishness can be needed for some. As the definition goes ~

"Holding one’s interest for the basis of decision making."

People commit suicide for various reasons, obviously, but I strongly believe one should live, using that word loosely, to make themselves happy (no, I'm not really supporting taking your own life). I'm just saying that because, like was said above, no one's gonna come to the same conclusion as anyone else, and no one reacts similar to the next.

I was depressed, constantly contemplating suicide awhile ago...I hung on day by day, I don't know why. Seemed to just wait for days to be that bit brighter...like Xem said, real way to get through it is in yourself, though people can have an influence towards that development.

Like stated, people go through more tougher situations...but to each their own, right? The breaking point of an individual isn't set in stone, it's in them, not you.

Exactly, there isn't a scale on which to measure and compare one's own situation to another person's. Some people may have more trouble dealing with grief than others and it really isn't our place to judge them.

[Love]

Exactly, there isn't a scale on which to measure and compare one's own situation to another person's. Some people may have more trouble dealing with grief than others and it really isn't our place to judge them.

Wow could you be more wrong, what makes you think the strong has some sort of restriction when looking at the weak.

[Mirosuke]

he survived it, but he's very very lucky.

he tried to commi suicide because his girlfriend left him, didn't know he was so desperate. he always seemed normal to me.

Not that **** again. :/

[XemnasXD]

he survived it, but he's very very lucky.

he tried to commi suicide because his girlfriend left him, didn't know he was so desperate. he always seemed normal to me.

his GF broke up with him?


oh yeah someone needs to beat that kid like hard....right in the face....alot....

[antics]

he couldve written a song about the break up then make millions
we will never know now

[Mindy]

Suicide is selfish imo, even if you get away from whatever is troubling you, the ones you know. Friends, family etc gets hurt and it get you think if it was becouse of you (could be).

i know 2 persons who comitteed suicide, its very shocking when they do :/

[EcsTasY]

A girl from a nearby area here killed herself a couple of years ago, really shocked the community. She was on anti-depressants and such, seeing a psychologist, seemed to be doing really well, most people seemed to like her, her closest friends didn't see it coming. Then one day they found her. The police didn't think it was a planned act or anything, like a random spur of the moment thing. A side-effect of anti-depressants is suicidal thoughts, how is that possible...

[Locketart]

he survived it, but he's very very lucky.

he tried to commi suicide because his girlfriend left him, didn't know he was so desperate. he always seemed normal to me.

his GF broke up with him?


oh yeah someone needs to beat that kid like hard....right in the face....alot....

Right cause getting beat up when you're depressed makes you want to live even more.

[XemnasXD]

No the beating wasn't to make him feel better it was to punish him for doing something so stupid for such a stupid reason. On a scale of 1-10 with situations where suicide is understandable/acceptable your GF breaking up with you doesn't even register unless she she was somehow getting everything you in in the break up and would financially cripple you for life.

[Locketart]

No the beating wasn't to make him feel better it was to punish him for doing something so stupid for such a stupid reason. On a scale of 1-10 with situations where suicide is understandable/acceptable your GF breaking up with you doesn't even register unless she she was somehow getting everything you in in the break up and would financially cripple you for life.

My point is that beating him up would probably push him to suicide again and of course you have something against him committing suicide but you want to push him over the edge again rather than help him.

[Love]

Suicide is selfish imo, even if you get away from whatever is troubling you, the ones you know. Friends, family etc gets hurt and it get you think if it was becouse of you (could be).

i know 2 persons who comitteed suicide, its very shocking when they do :/

Sup with all this stupid nonsense, do you and others really think that suicidal people gain anything from killing themselves, that this is some sort of game ?

"Think about the family and people you are leaving behind" ya, well f them. Do you realize that this people can't seem to get to get a grip on their own lives and now all of the sudden they need to worry about all others too, I won't even try to imply how absurd that is. The world does no revolve around you and mommy bear, if anything you should be thinking about how you failed this person in a time when they needed an extra set of eyes who could provide a different perspective.

[blackfalcon]

Suicide is selfish imo, even if you get away from whatever is troubling you, the ones you know. Friends, family etc gets hurt and it get you think if it was becouse of you (could be).

i know 2 persons who comitteed suicide, its very shocking when they do :/

Sup with all this stupid nonsense, do you and others really think that suicidal people gain anything from killing themselves, that this is some sort of game ?

"Think about the family and people you are leaving behind" ya, well f them. Do you realize that this people can't seem to get to get a grip on their own lives and now all of the sudden they need to worry about all others too, I won't even try to imply how absurd that is. The world does no revolve around you and mommy bear, if anything you should be thinking about how you failed this person in a time when they needed an extra set of eyes who could provide a different perspective.

people do try to help those people and all they do is sit in a corner and cry about how "farked up" there life is and how their sooooo miserable and they have it the worst.

[XemnasXD]

No the beating wasn't to make him feel better it was to punish him for doing something so stupid for such a stupid reason. On a scale of 1-10 with situations where suicide is understandable/acceptable your GF breaking up with you doesn't even register unless she she was somehow getting everything you in in the break up and would financially cripple you for life.

My point is that beating him up would probably push him to suicide again and of course you have something against him committing suicide but you want to push him over the edge again rather than help him.

So you think that breaking up with your GF is a perfectly fine reason to take your otherwise ok life? I know you're above judging and whatever but do you honestly think that out of all the reasons to commit suicide this one is just as note worthy as say terminal cancer or slavery....

[inky]

One of the biggest signs that people are truly ready to kill themselves - those that succeed, mostly - is a sudden positive change in mood. Some people diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder who takes anti-depression meds initially don't have the energy to execute or even truly think about killing themselves. These medications usually take 2 weeks to have any effect on the person; you'll notice that the person has more energy since the meds get rid of the psychomotor retardation, which means they will be able to start thinking more about suicide and execute the action when they want to.

But yes, you can never truly know someone - no matter how close you are to that person. I'm pretty sure everyone here has their own skeletons in the closet. And although the action itself does seem selfish, you've never been in the shoes of a person who genuinely wants to die so don't think that you know their mindset. It's a difficult position to be in - one where you don't want to participate in life anymore, you lose your energy and you lose interest in everything. Unfortunately, some people simply can't take it and if push comes to shove, they turn to their coping skills; which means that if they're not properly developed, could lead to either depression, the development (or appearance of an episode) of other mental illnesses - or just suicide.

[Locketart]

No the beating wasn't to make him feel better it was to punish him for doing something so stupid for such a stupid reason. On a scale of 1-10 with situations where suicide is understandable/acceptable your GF breaking up with you doesn't even register unless she she was somehow getting everything you in in the break up and would financially cripple you for life.

My point is that beating him up would probably push him to suicide again and of course you have something against him committing suicide but you want to push him over the edge again rather than help him.

So you think that breaking up with your GF is a perfectly fine reason to take your otherwise ok life? I know you're above judging and whatever but do you honestly think that out of all the reasons to commit suicide this one is just as note worthy as say terminal cancer or slavery....

No I don't think it's a fine reason to commit suicide. I only think that your way of handling the situation by beating him up will only drive him towards suicide again. You don't want him committing suicide and yet beating him up will only make the situation worse and make him want to try it again which makes you a hypocrit.

[evilpeta]

jeez, going through all that shit for a lost peice of ass... some people i will never understand...

[XemnasXD]

No I don't think it's a fine reason to commit suicide. I only think that your way of handling the situation by beating him up will only drive him towards suicide again. You don't want him committing suicide and yet beating him up will only make the situation worse and make him want to try it again which makes you a hypocrit.

I use often say ____ needs to get beat. When i was growing up and I did something wrong, I got beat, lesson learned, definitely not doing that again. So when i say _____ needs to get beat i mean he needs to be taught a lesson, then learn from that lesson. You could take it literally as you did or figuratively as intended. Tough love/friendship/care. I know beating him won't make him feel better, at least not physically but you can't treat a suicide "victim" like him like a baby that needs codling. "Onoz he tried to kill himself cause he broke up with his GF, don't upset him or he might try it again for another lame reason!" That kind of thinking doesn't make sense to me. If he was clinically depressed then yeah making him more depressed won't help but over his GF? That guy doesn't need people holding his hand he needs a f*cking wake up call.

For the record idc if people like him commit suicide. I've seen alot of people throw perfectly good lives away for quick cash and drugs, a GF is just as low a reason imo. Nothing of value was lost. To the people out there that are actually going through some shit then here's hoping they find the strength to get through it but if you are willing to end your life over a GF, give up now, sign your exit papers because unless you have a silver spoon in your mouth life gets alot tougher than that. Some one needs to let him know that idc if it hurts his feelings or not, pardon the expression but i reiterate....Someone needs to beat that kid.

[John_Doe]

I am pretty neutral about suicide, as long as it doesn't affect other people's life's I don't care too much.

You never know how John Doe's suicide will affect other people. Even if John (or Jane) is just a bum on the street with no family or friends, it could still affect someone.

lol...I was like what? Then relize you weren't talking about me. Ontopic: I nether condemn or applaud those who choose to commict suicide, it's thier choice, unless you truely knew the person and or details about said person's life I don't believe your at liberty to judge them. That is what I believe and that is the reason why, I do not seek to change your mind, you may have whatever opinion you want.

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Not trying to be mean or anything but I had to post this, plz spare me....

[PR0METHEUS]

I am pretty neutral about suicide, as long as it doesn't affect other people's life's I don't care too much.

You never know how John Doe's suicide will affect other people. Even if John (or Jane) is just a bum on the street with no family or friends, it could still affect someone.

lol...I was like what? Then relize you weren't talking about me.

lol sorry I didn't realize there was a John_Doe on these forums. I often don't even look at the poster's name, just read the posts.

[lavapockets]

No the beating wasn't to make him feel better it was to punish him for doing something so stupid for such a stupid reason. On a scale of 1-10 with situations where suicide is understandable/acceptable your GF breaking up with you doesn't even register unless she she was somehow getting everything you in in the break up and would financially cripple you for life.

Not neccessarily true. A friend of mine tried a couple years ago because his girlfriend left him. It was only after he was in therapy did he realize it was WAY more than that, but the gf thing triggered all these repressed emotions and sent him off the deep end. I won't get into specifics, but he didn't have the best childhood, etc. Hopefully, your friend gets into therapy and gets some professional help.