Why must scum leech off me... the gov really should change.

[Goseki]

I really hate how my tax paying money will end up paying for scums like James von Brunn to eat and live. I don't care if his life will be hell in prison, I'd rather him just go straight to there. If his entire life has been spent on hating others, I seriously doubt he will change any time soon. Odds are he'll just stay in jail leaching off the rest of us. Why can't we just send these people straight to death when it's blatantly obvious they committed these hate crimes on purpose. It's barbaric, but this is reality. The US gov really should wake up and stop wasting all this money trying to defend people that are obviously in the wrong. The guy came in, killed an officer, got wounded himself, and now we are trying to save him so we can take him to court... It's not obvious at all that he's guilty...

[woutR]

Why does it matter if he's dead or locked up for good?
If it's any consolation, he's most likely better off dead. As for the cost issue, the death punishment is more expensive than a life time sentence.

[Goseki]

I'd rather they just take him out to a shooting range and shoot him. Hell of a lot cheaper. No long-ass court trials, no nothing. He's 100% guilty, so why not just take him out. If someone could explain to me why it's necessary to go through the entire judicial system for cases like this when it's so obvious he's guilty.

The only point I see for any kind of effort would be to see if he had any other accomplices. Afterwards, death really should be the straightforward option. Just makes me sick knowing that I have to pay for his attorney fees and his sentence.

[Doron]

????

[inky]

A question I ask every time I watch the news.

Btw, in certain states, they also get the privilege of getting free tax-funded organ transplants (and from time to time, they get bumped up the list since it's a guaranteed payment). Although I'd rather milk the life out of these people first before killing them - think of Nazi concentration camps filled with violent murderers, rapists, and armed robbers. The thought itself makes me happy already.

Once you do something so terrible to another human being for personal gain, IMO, you just gave up your "human rights."

[Talonos]

Not much cost to a bullet in the back of the head like how they do in China.


Our legal system is a joke, just look at the most popular phrase these days "Anyone can sue anyone for $125.00". The government won't change it anytime soon either why should they? Filing fees of $125.00 and a long ass "cooling off" period between the time you file and the time you have your day in court. No statistics mind you but common sense would tell you 85% of those drop and it's a free $125.00 per pop for the gov. So tell me, if you were getting a free $125.00 from every chump who has a boner to sue someone and a good portion of those are never heard from again (FREE MONEY) would you be inclined to change anything?

[Sharp324]

Can really tell the age of the OP, he probably got a job at McDonalds and mad.

[inky]

Lol most legal systems are nothing more than a big joke. IIRC, I was chatting with some tourists from Ireland not long ago and apparently the punishment for rape there is 6 months. Holy fucking shit; and I thought releasing rapists after 5 years in prison here in the US is a joke.

[lavapockets]

Because a long time ago we decided that justice is best served through adherence to the rule of law and not by the law of the sword. It's a system that protects the innocent from being put to death because of hearsay, rumors, misidentification, circumstances beyond their control, etc.

How much do you actually pay in taxes anyway? I'm guessing it's not much. Would you prefer to have no taxes? Sure we can all pay no taxes, then we can all start paying for elementary through high school, forget going to college unless your rich, pay tolls on every road because someone has to keep them up, allow prisoners to leave their cells, and what will we do about national defense? Having a government?

Yes the guy may be a criminal and a murderer, but that's no reason to belittle our laws or advocate for lower taxes.

And another thing, as an older person, and a taxpayer myself, I'm pissed that I'm paying for your education, or lack thereof. Go read something.

[Goseki]

Can really tell the age of the OP, he probably got a job at McDonalds and mad.

Actually I'm working in a prof's lab while talking summer classes. Eff mcdonalds. Yes, I am mad.

[inky]

He's complaining about the way tax money is spent. Not the fact that he's being taxed. =p

[*BlackFox]

Lol most legal systems are nothing more than a big joke. IIRC, I was chatting with some tourists from Ireland not long ago and apparently the punishment for rape there is 6 months. Holy fucking shit; and I thought releasing rapists after 5 years in prison here in the US is a joke.

Yeah indeed, they should get locked up for ever if they do/did a crime like that

[Goseki]

Because a long time ago we decided that justice is best served through adherence to the rule of law and not by the law of the sword. It's a system that protects the innocent from being put to death because of hearsay, rumors, misidentification, circumstances beyond their control, etc.

How much do you actually pay in taxes anyway? I'm guessing it's not much. Would you prefer to have no taxes? Sure we can all pay no taxes, then we can all start paying for elementary through high school, forget going to college unless your rich, pay tolls on every road because someone has to keep them up, allow prisoners to leave their cells, and what will we do about national defense? Having a government?

Yes the guy may be a criminal and a murderer, but that's no reason to belittle our laws or advocate for lower taxes.

And another thing, as an older person, and a taxpayer myself, I'm pissed that I'm paying for your education, or lack thereof. Go read something.

I'm not saying we should stop paying taxes. I'm just frustrated that the tax we pay ends up going to feed idiots like this guy. I don't mind it when it's an unclear case and someone could be mis-trialed, I do care however, when it's blatantly obvious that this man intended to go into the Holocaust museum and kill as many as he can. I see absolutely no reason besides interrogating him to find out who else might be in on this. Besides that, he should just be shot in the back of the head. There's a reason this country is in so much debt. Maybe if we stop wasting money on shit like this, it wouldn't be this bad.

Good job READING my post. Maybe it's you who should get and education and read something fully instead of just scanning at the title and posting. I never said I don't want to pay taxes or want lower taxes. You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of that.

The US gov really should wake up and stop wasting all this money trying to defend people that are obviously in the wrong. The guy came in, killed an officer, got wounded himself, and now we are trying to save him so we can take him to court... It's not obvious at all that he's guilty...

If you read that, I'm trying to say that when they're incredibly, obviously guilty, they should just be put to death in a cheap and efficient way. Not having to go through this long-ass method. This was pre-meditated and he knew what he was doing. There was no threat, and there was no insane factor. He was a white-supremacist who hates jews and thought this would be a good idea for his cause.

[nohunta]

We spend more on people in jail than we do for kids in school. Go Figure.

[lavapockets]

Why can't we just send these people straight to death when it's blatantly obvious they committed these hate crimes on purpose. It's barbaric, but this is reality. The US gov really should wake up and stop wasting all this money trying to defend people that are obviously in the wrong. The guy came in, killed an officer, got wounded himself, and now we are trying to save him so we can take him to court... It's not obvious at all that he's guilty...

Obvious is a subjective term. While in this case the person may be clearly guilty, it's not always as clear cut. You cannot selectively interpret laws or treat suspected criminals differently or you violate our constitution. There is inherently bias in the system already, unsanctioned and unsought, because it's not possible to treat every case and every criminal with compelete objectivity. It's outside human nature to do so. Striving for objectivity is desirable because it reduces the chances that innocents are punished wrongfully. But to do what you suggest, and tip the scales even more, you risk reducing our criminal justice system to a popularity contest, rampant corruption, and ultimately, injustice. It might have issues, but the benefits of "innocent until proven guilty" must be applicable to all who stand trial, even if you have to suffer repugnant criminals. Otherwise we go back to guilty until proven innocent.

If you're a student working part time, you don't actually pay any taxes, at least not to the federal government. You may have to pay state income tax, but otherwise you're only paying social security and medicare. Everything you "pay" in federal income tax you should get back at the end of the year.

Usually people who complain about their money paying for something they dislike don't have a full grasp of the benefits of the taxes we pay. I was taking your comment to the extreme to show you that yes, you pay for things you don't like, but that the benefits you get far outway the cost. I think decriminalizing possession of quantities of marijauna intended for personal use, cutting back on federal farm subsidies, or closing tax loopholes for corporations would save far more federal tax money and not compromise our constitution.

[Ryoko]

Your views might be different if you were the person in the hot seat, and people simply said 'put a gun to the back of his head' and a day later you were shot.

However

What bothers me is that people on death row are there for 20 some years appealing over and over, delaying, stalling courts etc. Those people cost a lot of money.

"Life in prison" is the other. Too many people are sentenced this. Life in prison isnt really a life at all anyway. Less people would murder if there was some actual consequences for doing so. As it stands, a lot of gangs and murderers are just joining their friends and going about their business as usual in prison. Alot of them don't care either.

WHILE im ranting, capital punishment isnt punishment; you can't punish the dead. Its not like the dead care. Its an efficient way to rid society of those who don't belong, in a mannor that fuels a victims desire to see them suffer, and a serious deterrent for others. A deterrent that actually works.

Ohai, lethal injection is a retardedly complicated process; a spoonful of arsnic would do the trick, as well as a bullet.

[pr0klobster]

Because the cost of maintaining a legal system that might keep an innocent out of prison is infinitely preferable to a legal system that assumes guilt.

Secondly, what you just said could apply to terrorists (no, I am not referring to the ones in GB, Cuba).

Would you prefer we stone someone to death (as in the Bible) for a crime that seems heinous (prostitution) or assume innocence and allow the accused due process?

Otherwise you're just talking about Russia, North Korea, Pyongyang Death March type of punishment.

[MonstaH]

*googles James von Brunn*

Well, soon all those Nazis who fled to the US after WWII will have died... I assume that he is one since he's 88 years old, also the name -.-

[woutR]

*googles James von Brunn*

Well, soon all those Nazis who fled to the US after WWII will have died... I assume that he is one since he's 88 years old, also the name -.-

He actually fought on the American side in the war

[MonstaH]

*googles James von Brunn*

Well, soon all those Nazis who fled to the US after WWII will have died... I assume that he is one since he's 88 years old, also the name -.-

He actually fought on the American side in the war

Then this is even more ridiculous

[XemnasXD]

Can really tell the age of the OP, he probably got a job at McDonalds and mad.

you always bring so much to the table ....


OnT: A trial is necessary, you can't start making exceptions unless you want to open up alot of ugly doors, that should be common sense. The execution however could easily be administered with a bullet to the back of the head like someone already suggested. Why it cost more to kill a man than it does to keep them alive is still beyond my comprehension but if a man has been sentenced to death then they should just kill him and be done with it. That is assuming he gets the death penalty anyway, im not really clear on Maryland's policy on the issue. Personally the death penalty has always seemed like an out to me. Using it as a punishment seems archaic, like something embedded in our Christian roots that death is something to fear. There are things far worse than death.

[Sharp324]

Can really tell the age of the OP, he probably got a job at McDonalds and mad.

you always bring so much to the table ....


OnT: A trial is necessary, you can't start making exceptions unless you want to open up alot of ugly doors, that should be common sense. The execution however could easily be administered with a bullet to the back of the head like someone already suggested. Why it cost more to kill a man than it does to keep them alive is still beyond my comprehension but if a man has been sentenced to death then they should just kill him and be done with it. That is assuming he gets the death penalty anyway, im not really clear on Maryland's policy on the issue. Personally the death penalty has always seemed like an out to me. Using it as a punishment seems archaic, like something embedded in our Christian roots that death is something to fear. There are things far worse than death.

So do you, sorry if you took it up the ass rough lately. Cant help but attack the ones higher than you. There you go, something else to bitch about.

[XemnasXD]

baby when it's love if it's not rough it isn't fun

[lavapockets]

baby when it's love if it's not rough it isn't fun

kinky

[Disconn3cted]

worry about the deliverance people with their food stamps and welfare checks. About 50% of the people that come to my register at walmart pay with that shit and they eat better than I do when I am the one working. I'm going to guess they drive nicer cars too. The legal system is fine.

[Goseki]

worry about the deliverance people with their food stamps and welfare checks. About 50% of the people that come to my register at walmart pay with that shit and they eat better than I do when I am the one working. I'm going to guess they drive nicer cars too. The legal system is fine.

That's actually pretty farked up. I've seen some families who ACTUALLY need that help but don't get it since the parents choose to TRY and find work and make it day by day. While other families who don't deserve it get enough to buy a new car while they sit on their lazy ass popping out more kids.

The reason I don't like the way people end up getting life in prison is that while they wait there, there's a chance that our economy could go under. If that were to happen, who knows if we'll be able to maintain our jails. Would suck if everything came tumbling down and those who deserved to die end up escaping and living again.

There are worse things than death, however many of those things would be too inhuman to ever be legalized as a form of punishment. Torture would not look to nicely on a world view. We could see being stuck in a cramp cell getting your ass raped by random men as a fate worse than death.

Isn't it in the Bible where it says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If you take another man's life, isn't that a clear call for them to take yours. Especially when you kill someone who was innocent and posed no harm to you in any way. Hate crimes are the worse imo. You are hurting others for no reason other than to help justify your belief that they are bad and you are better. With that death, you take away someone else's chance to live life, you cause those around that person unimaginable pain. You also inadvertently cause the lives of others to change as they will never have a chance to meet the dead person. There is no punishment great enough to compensate for that. Even taking it up the ass with a cactus every 5 mins is not enough. Those who commit hate crimes rarely feel remorse. When you "accidentally" kill someone out of rage, self-def, etc. You might regret it later, as it was clouded with emotion. When you kill someone with a clear mind, it's an assassination, or if multiple people, an act of terror. For me, these people deserve so much more, but as the way society is, I think death would just be much more efficient. They don't get punished as they should, but at least we can remain sure that they won't be coming back to do it again.

[Disconn3cted]

worry about the deliverance people with their food stamps and welfare checks. About 50% of the people that come to my register at walmart pay with that shit and they eat better than I do when I am the one working. I'm going to guess they drive nicer cars too. The legal system is fine.

That's actually pretty farked up. I've seen some families who ACTUALLY need that help but don't get it since the parents choose to TRY and find work and make it day by day. While other families who don't deserve it get enough to buy a new car while they sit on their lazy ass popping out more kids.

Its true some people really do need it but it seems like everyone around me has one and they buy really expensive food, a lot of them have more money on their cards than I make in a month. They should at least have to buy generic food or something. Only single mothers, college students, orphans, and old people should get any free money from the government. I think its their dream to have a back injury just bad enough that they can get free money but still not so bad that it makes them unable to move.

[XemnasXD]

Torture would not look to nicely on a world view.
bet it would curb that crime rate though if you knew you were gettin your arm chopped off.
We could see being stuck in a cramp cell getting your ass raped by random men as a fate worse than death.
not everyone in jail gets raped or rapes someone, in fact the people who need to get raped probably won't and the weaker ones will just get passed around.

Isn't it in the Bible where it says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If you take another man's life, isn't that a clear call for them to take yours. Especially when you kill someone who was innocent and posed no harm to you in any way.
The bible is full of hypocrisy but i get what you mean. Even so trying to justify capitol punishment via religion is taking a step back not forward, at least in the US.

There is no punishment great enough to compensate for that. Even taking it up the ass with a cactus every 5 mins is not enough.
but i bet they'll wish they never did at all and they probably won't ever do it again.
When you kill someone with a clear mind, it's an assassination,
No that's homicide.
or if multiple people, an act of terror.
no thats multiple homicide. An act of terror means the point of the act is to sow fear. If you're killing ppl most of the time the point is to kill them, fear is a by product sometimes but not always.

[Reise]

I'll remember this when you're locked up and I'm paying for your meals.

[vietxboy911]

baby when it's love if it's not rough it isn't fun

someone listens to poker face wayyyy too much