Could someone post this on the Official Forum pls?

[Goseki]

I can't seem to log on to the official forum. I keep getting a lag-out when I try. Could someone post this question for me?

Topic: Why are ice nukes getting weaker?

This can't be right.... I just checked MMOsite...

First Ice Nuke
Ice Shot lvl 18
lvl mastery MP dmg freeze frost sp
18 64 1310 235~352 (250%) 148 148 1079

Third Ice Nuke
Double shot lvl 16
lvl mastery MP dmg freeze frost sp
16 100 5423 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675

Could JM explain why they decided to make a higher lvl move weaker than the first? This is just frustrating as I love ice nukes, but they are sooo weak. Even a lvl 1 first book fire nuke can outdmg this.

Thank-you.

[poehalcho]

mm one is lvl 18 other is lvl 16...?

[wootpops]

mm one is lvl 18 other is lvl 16...?

thats the skill required i think maybe.

[Hypnotik]

Posted on the forum as u requested.

[Goseki]

thnks

mm one is lvl 18 other is lvl 16...?

thats the skill required i think maybe.

That's the lvl of the skill. The mastery is 64 vs 100. So a skill that's 36 lvls higher hits weaker somehow. I can't imagine why JM would do that... in most games, shouldn't skills get stronger...

[NuclearSilo]

no one's gonna use weak nuke anyway, i can't believe there's still someone waste sp on ice nuke

[Goseki]

no one's gonna use weak nuke anyway, i can't believe there's still someone waste sp on ice nuke

Well the last ice nuke at 120 looks really cool. If the pk2 edit was done right, I will def want that skills. odds are it will require both the first and third book maxed. I just dunno why JM made a more advanced skill weaker. I only know a few ppl that get the third nuke simply for the look. They never use it except to mess around.

I've also noticed alot of ppl using the advanced version of frost nova storm and ice field. It also lasts crazy long. Maybe with the advanced ice, it will be harder to instantly pill them off? Or can this still be done?

Ice looks, and sounds cool, but it's usefullness seems cut short by universal pill auto-pot.

[RogueKiller]

Double Shot: MMOSITE

Spoiler!

11 90 4024 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675
12 92 4275 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675
13 94 4540 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675
14 96 4819 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675
15 98 5113 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675
16 100 5423 226 ~ 339(250%) 200 200 5675

Double Shot: Konpaku

Spoiler!

Level 11
Mastery 90
MP 4.024
SP 5.675
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 226 ~ 339 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 200 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 200 )

Level 12
Mastery 92
MP 4.275
SP 6.806
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 240 ~ 360 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 204 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 204 )

Level 13
Mastery 94
MP 4.540
SP 8.373
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 255 ~ 382 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 208 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 208 )

Level 14
Mastery 96
MP 4.819
SP 9.013
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 270 ~ 406 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 212 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 212 )

Level 15
Mastery 98
MP 5.113
SP 10.811
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 287 ~ 430 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 216 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 216 )

Level 16
Mastery 100
MP 5.423
SP 13.174
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 304 ~ 456 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 220 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 220 )

Level 17
Mastery 102
MP 5.750
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 322 ~ 483 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 224 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 224 )

Level 18
Mastery 104
MP 6.094
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 341 ~ 512 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 228 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 228 )Level 11
Mastery 90
MP 4.024
SP 5.675
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 226 ~ 339 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 200 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 200 )

Level 12
Mastery 92
MP 4.275
SP 6.806
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 240 ~ 360 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 204 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 204 )

Level 13
Mastery 94
MP 4.540
SP 8.373
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 255 ~ 382 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 208 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 208 )

Level 14
Mastery 96
MP 4.819
SP 9.013
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 270 ~ 406 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 212 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 212 )

Level 15
Mastery 98
MP 5.113
SP 10.811
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 287 ~ 430 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 216 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 216 )

Level 16
Mastery 100
MP 5.423
SP 13.174
Required skill Snow storm - Ice shot Level 18

Mag.Att 304 ~ 456 (250%)
Freezing Probability 20% ( Effect 220 )
Frostbite Probability 40% ( Effect 220 )

Nukes never stay the same power with increasing levels. MMOsite is garbage with their information.

[Goseki]

ahh ok, so it does get a little stronger. I guess it's alright. It's the third ice nuke which has about the same power as the third fire nuke at lvl 1.

Flame Wave wide lvl 1 281-468 (300%)

That's at lvl 56 of fire. I wish they would make ice a bit stronger... Such a cool move with so little power behind it.

Oh here's something else. Ice is weakest for China, Light is weakest for Euro wiz, so will Genie's weakest move be fire?

[NuclearSilo]

Posted on the forum as u requested.

hahaha you asked wrong info

[lilly_]

Oh here's something else. Ice is weakest for China, Light is weakest for Euro wiz, so will Genie's weakest move be fire?

lols, you can say fire is strongest for china, fire is strongest for euro wiz, so will genie's strongest move be fire... as well, no point speculating at this point in time..

[fckerr]

cold nukes will have any use in 10d for int cold/heuskal/bicheon or cold/force/bicheon or cold/force/heuskal. In later degrees just forget about them

[GimmeMo]

no one's gonna use weak nuke anyway, i can't believe there's still someone waste sp on ice nuke

Its not a waste if he likes ice.

[Kolossal]

and anyway for a full forces char the last ice nukes are helpful

[NuclearSilo]

helpful in freezing mob maybe, 20% chance in freezing