Question for all those "legits" out there *Poll added*

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

Time to forget the bots. Why bother with something that cannot be bothered? I see a bunch of desperate kids trying to figure out geymax when clearly it is unpredictable like a random segment of codes
Move on, bots win, we lose, only at the end do we understand, the glory days are over, considered urselves veeterans, play the game, dont complain, or dont play at all
Simple playground rules kids.

void trolling is void

[Azilius]

Spoiler!

its 50/50
first 50 is the opportunity to bot given by joymax.
the part where you choose is your decision
without the first part, botting wouldnt happen in the first place
what i actually meant with the scapegoating was to brand people as criminals in game and real life as the comparisons showed.
all humans are evil to a certain extent, some cheat in a game, others are collossal douches
some are just sadists but 1 is not necessarily linked to the other

Though I agree it is partly Joymax's fault, I leave that part at around maybe 5%. Reminds of some game where I was asked, "If it was raining and someone left their umbrella, would you take it?". Is it 50% their fault for leaving it..? They gave me the opportunity by forgetting it. Without that I wouldn't be able to take the umbrella at all. To me it's 1% their fault..99% mine for being the douche.

[Goseki]

Though I agree it is partly Joymax's fault, I leave that part at around maybe 5%. Reminds of some game where I was asked, "If it was raining and someone left their umbrella, would you take it?". Is it 50% their fault for leaving it..? They gave me the opportunity by forgetting it. Without that I wouldn't be able to take the umbrella at all. To me it's 1% their fault..99% mine for being the douche.

But that's different. Instead of being some random guy on the streets, take it as Joymax as your city's police department. Now imagine if your police department posted a city-wide notice that they wouldn't give a shit about what happens. People can shoplift, grand-theft, murder, whatever you want, and they would just sit around eating donuts.

Now yes it's still your fault for committing a crime, but this is definitely more than 5% considering it's Joymax's/cop's fault for not doing their duty. They slacked and made it so there would be little-no repercussion for cheating. Once it started spiraling, people had 3 choices, find a new game, stay legit and spend hours playing the log-on game, or getting a loader/bot. I'm classifying both as the same since SRF sees both as cheating.

In case someone wants to jump up and point out the obvious flaw, yes it's Joymax's game, not ours, and we are just "renting" their pixels. However, the current, assumed thought for most online mmorpgs is that botting is a form of cheating and the companies running them would try and prevent such things from happening. Joymax, however, just wants to take $$ and could care less how the gaming community is as long as they're getting paid.

So in my views, Joymax is not just a 1% at fault. They are 25-50% at fault. It's they're fault for not doing a decent job as the admins of this game. They are the ONLY one's who can enforce the rules. Since they choose not to, Red Blame arrow is split in 2 and pointed between bot users and them.

[Ipman]

If you can't stand something, you better quit and cry to others, you might find others like you; losers.

[Goseki]

If you can't stand something, you better quit and cry to others, you might find others like you; losers.

Hmm hope you're not talking to me, considering I never said I can't stand bots... nor is it implied in the titles. I was under the impression that this topic was about why everyone in the SRF community stays legit...

I'm just gonna assume your powers of comprehension are lacking, or you are one of those posters that simply jumps to the last page and posts useless shit to try and get their post count up so people will take them seriously.

[Ipman]

If you can't stand something, you better quit and cry to others, you might find others like you; losers.

Hmm hope you're not talking to me, considering I never said I can't stand bots... nor is it implied in the titles. I was under the impression that this topic was about why everyone in the SRF community stays legit...

I'm just gonna assume your powers of comprehension are lacking, or you are one of those posters that simply jumps to the last page and posts useless shit to try and get their post count up so people will take them seriously.

Actually, reason why i did post to this thread is because i red ALL the pages. Post count ?. Well, maybe i just should post: "I guit " to gain some more respect among the SRF users (if your principle is true). Also, it WILL hugely help current game situation!. I understand all this if you get paid for this whining .

[Azilius]

But that's different. Instead of being some random guy on the streets, take it as Joymax as your city's police department. Now imagine if your police department posted a city-wide notice that they wouldn't give a shit about what happens. People can shoplift, grand-theft, murder, whatever you want, and they would just sit around eating donuts.

Now yes it's still your fault for committing a crime, but this is definitely more than 5% considering it's Joymax's/cop's fault for not doing their duty.

I'm still viewing it as..just because you can, doesn't mean you should. In the end the sole decision is up to the person and they are the ones who decide to cheat. Everything relies on them and them alone. That's just me though.

[Goseki]

But that's different. Instead of being some random guy on the streets, take it as Joymax as your city's police department. Now imagine if your police department posted a city-wide notice that they wouldn't give a shit about what happens. People can shoplift, grand-theft, murder, whatever you want, and they would just sit around eating donuts.

Now yes it's still your fault for committing a crime, but this is definitely more than 5% considering it's Joymax's/cop's fault for not doing their duty.

I'm still viewing it as..just because you can, doesn't mean you should. In the end the sole decision is up to the person and they are the ones who decide to cheat. Everything relies on them and them alone. That's just me though.

Fair enough.

[BuDo]

Very true. Its time all you people stop wasting your time blaming "botters". Cheating,stealing,lying are things that will never go away. Blame JM 100% for the bot problem. Like I said a long time ago,...you can't leave the doors of your house open and go out and when your stuff gets stolen you get angry and blame the thieves.

And? That example only show who is the one to blame. It doesn't prove that thieving is a right thing to do just because the thief got a good reason to be a thief. It also doesn't prove that thieving is good for any community or good for the environment.

Sometimes I wonder about you. Firstly I never implied that thieving is ok..or lying or cheating. I'm just pointing out that there will always be people willing to do these things. Its impossible to have an "all good or completely good" society/community. Grow up.

And because everyone cant be trusted you can't allow yourself to become a victim of these things. Joymax has completely allowed and created the situation for botting to take place and fail/refuse to do anything significant about it. Thus they are to be blamed 100%. I don't blame the botters..those people will always be there waiting to exploit any given opportunity. Its up to the people in charge to prevent them. And it seems JM don't care.

[BuDo]

Sorry for the double post but a lot of you are wasting your time arguing the morality of doing wrong. Saying things like "just because you can doesn't mean you have to". Your all talking to a wall. People who cheat don't care. There are plenty of them itching for a chance. Blame the people who can stop them but aren't doing so. Society is f*cked. Its got good ppl and bad. No point in blaming the bad in this situation. Again...blame the people who allow the bad to go on unpunished.

[Maniac]

There are almost no legits on SRF... only about .01% of the active posters are legit but pretty much all have quit the game already, now SRF just a place where closet botters hang out pretending to be legit and exposing each other for fun in the EB section. about 95% of the people who were bashing botters later got exposed for botting themselves.... nightbloom and fly be a epic example.

[Fury]

People will bot because it will help them in every way with no consequence. They get more exp, more drops, farm quicker and cap quicker. What do they have to lose? They obviously dont get banned, and they are not hated by the majority of the community because most of them do bot. You think someone will look up to you cause you are legit? All it matters nowdays is how fast you get capped and who is the strongest. They only care about the result, not how they get there.

[selenne]

There are almost no legits on SRF... only about .01% of the active posters are legit but pretty much all have quit the game already, now SRF just a place where closet botters hang out pretending to be legit and exposing each other for fun in the EB section. about 95% of the people who were bashing botters later got exposed for botting themselves.... nightbloom and fly be a epic example.

source, please.

[NuclearSilo]

There are almost no legits on SRF... only about .01% of the active posters are legit but pretty much all have quit the game already, now SRF just a place where closet botters hang out pretending to be legit and exposing each other for fun in the EB section. about 95% of the people who were bashing botters later got exposed for botting themselves.... nightbloom and fly be a epic example.

Tell me you belong to .01% part so I can

[Krendarian]

Cheaters are losers, that's why. Cheat in a game and you're likely to cheat in real life.

I quit SRO, but I cheated in High School. Stole copies of the test answers. Sure, we got caught and suspended. Then did it more, just smarter.

Those who cheat think it is allright cause they surround themselves with a cheating community that helps to reinforce itself in the "good" it thinks it is doing. Back in the old Dungeons and Dragons days, you and your Dungeon Master that allowed the cheating would have been called "Monty Haulers" signifying the overwhelming bounty you and the DM pretty much handed to you from, lets say, a gold dragon. The gold dragon with its amazing intelligence and cunning should have roasted you and your cheating friends, but alas! The DM was on your side, and allowed your stupid party to kill it and gain 5-10 levels in one fell swoop.

Btw, I am new to SRO, and havent been able to get onto any of the servers for about the entire 3 months I have been trying to play. Total playing time in SRO because of servers being crowded=5 hours. I think my female char is lvl 7.

Also word on the street from Runescape is they have almost completely destroyed botting capabilities on there by changing the economy and taking almost all of the profit capabilities from their in-game stores. Sooo that means a hell of a lot of fricking botters from there are out of work and very hungry for new ground.

Internet gaming was started so I could sit on my fat ass and pay someone for a worthy game to play. It was not intended for botters to sit on their fat asses and try to make money from a game in a way that was never intended.

[NuclearSilo]

To sum up everything some ppl is trying to say:
"If all the security guards of a bank are down (killed), let's rob the bank, if no one see us"

[lucid4life]

"If all the security guards of a bank are down (killed), let's rob the bank, if no one see us"

People saying that are wrong.Something is wrong not because of the consequences but because of the deed itself.Even though I don't think botting in itself is immoral,I don't agree with that argument supporting it

[Maniac]

There are almost no legits on SRF... only about .01% of the active posters are legit but pretty much all have quit the game already, now SRF just a place where closet botters hang out pretending to be legit and exposing each other for fun in the EB section. about 95% of the people who were bashing botters later got exposed for botting themselves.... nightbloom and fly be a epic example.

Tell me you belong to .01% part so I can

of course why wouldnt be i?


just pointing out that u go to an old thread and everyone every on the thread is banned, even mods.

and oh yes, the three most worshipped "legit" people on SRF got exposed for botting:
Fly
nightbloom
Death2All

it's almost impossible to log into a game and find a high level that is actually legit, never botted, using loaders, buy gold, etc

[Mirosuke]

^

epic namber

[Azilius]

it's almost impossible to log into a game and find a high level that is actually legit, never botted, using loaders, buy gold, etc

Almost.

I can say I've never done either of those.

Yea we know a huge % bots but to go far and say it's almost impossible is a little ignorant. There are people (esp on venus) who got to a high level legitimately. Not everyone is a cheating loser.

[CrimsonNuker]

Im still here

[Barotix]

There are almost no legits on SRF... only about .01% of the active posters are legit but pretty much all have quit the game already, now SRF just a place where closet botters hang out pretending to be legit and exposing each other for fun in the EB section. about 95% of the people who were bashing botters later got exposed for botting themselves.... nightbloom and fly be a epic example.

Tell me you belong to .01% part so I can

of course why wouldnt be i?


just pointing out that u go to an old thread and everyone every on the thread is banned, even mods.

and oh yes, the three most worshipped "legit" people on SRF got exposed for botting:
1]Fly
2]nightbloom
3]Death2All

it's almost impossible to log into a game and find a high level that is actually legit, never botted, using loaders, buy gold, etc

1]Was never any proof for Fly
2]True Story; old story, but still true.
3]Since when did people worship d2a for being legit? I thought they worshiped him for his in game prowess.

[Azilius]

3]Since when did people worship d2a for being legit? I thought they worshiped him for his in game prowess.

I think it's more like..since when did people with an IQ over that of a doorknob worship him?

[jabbers]

3]Since when did people worship d2a for being legit? I thought they worshiped him for his in game prowess.

I think it's more like..since when did people with an IQ over that of a doorknob worship him?

that was a particularity annoying era of this forum, I had to lurk especially hard

[woOsh]

half the retards on this forum are closet botters...

wait, i'll take that back, 95% are.


yeah i know, pissing in an ocean of piss, etc.

[BuDo]

People...Botting isn't the root problem as to why SRO is ruined....Its the "allowing people to bot with no real consequences" that ruins the game. Look around on your servers...everyday the server is littered with bots.

Stop trying to appeal to the morals of people who cheat/bot/scam. THEY DON'T CARE. Yes I hate them too but its not their fault. its Gaymax fault.

[Maniac]

1]Was never any proof for Fly
2]True Story; old story, but still true.
3]Since when did people worship d2a for being legit? I thought they worshiped him for his in game prowess.

1] Fly is of course 110% legit, his game account got banned for no reason nor did he know nightbloom botted hardcore

2] i actually thought the audio was fake was i first heard it, i never knew she be that stupid to admit it on vent and on the forum.

3] many peeps who worship him DID think hes legit. i remember old days it was annoyin to read all the D2A bragging, the ss and videos of how he "own every1 in the server" and deny ever bottin. and more annoying was his huge fan club creatin posts and threads all over SRF worshippin him, defending him, asking his builds info, his pvp tips/tricks, how to make 50+ billion gold, multiple sosun sets, etc. Of course it's obviously he hacked the server, no legit person can accomplish what he did without hacking. but barotix people worship him for different reasons though, yes u are right people do worship him for his ingame power and impressive pvp skill. reading d2a threads were like wtf, like him creating threads giving SoX gifts to people in all servers [how does he have high lvl SoX in every server? ] to build a fanclub and then pulling the right string to get people all rile up and flame his ass. i am sure he is schizophrenic, it seem like he wanted people on two extremes, people who worship him 24/7, or people who flame him 24/7. but much of the drama was more between the fanboys/girls vs d2ahaters. dont know why he was cocky most of the times and seem like a stupid person, then the next moment very helpful and nice giving SoX gifts to people and donating gold to people that get hacked [including SuicideGrl.. how did he have 1Billion gold in Xian when he play in Greece? ]. of course the d2a fans were joyful they got money/sosuns that they refuse to believe he's unlegit.

[Priam]

[troll]

Yay! Let's discuss three year old topics some more. I'm sure we all still care.

Get up, go outside, read a book, write a dictionary.

[/troll]

[PR0METHEUS]

why did you stay legit until you quit)

too legit to quit? *puts on parachute pants and does a little dance*

Honestly, what's the point in cheating? You really don't achieve anything. If the game becomes that boring/tiring/frustrating/whatever where one can't handle playing it anymore, then the person should quit. Some people say they bot so they can continue to play with their friends and keep up with them... Well if you can't do other things with those friends outside SRO, then how good of friends are they really?

[SwordCloud]

why did you stay legit until you quit)

too legit to quit? *puts on parachute pants and does a little dance*

Honestly, what's the point in cheating? You really don't achieve anything. If the game becomes that boring/tiring/frustrating/whatever where one can't handle playing it anymore, then the person should quit. Some people say they bot so they can continue to play with their friends and keep up with them... Well if you can't do other things with those friends outside SRO, then how good of friends are they really?

More faster,more easier that the way people cheat.People bot/cheat for enjoy the game.
Here my sentence:
Botting is the player fault,make someone to bot is joymax fault.

Why?because their game is a facking hard as hell,farming,lving is more harder than go from usa to japan in a car and boat..

But,this forum don't want cheater(that a good choice),that why i don't very like people who do like legit.
The better way is still to enjoy the game and nothing can excuse a botter to bot,that my opinion about that,now we can discuss 1000 page about this but there will be always 3 kind of people,the bot,the anti bot,the careless bot or no.Enjoy the game is the best way to play silkroad online.