Miss California

[Mr.Ganji]

lol

[lavapockets]

Every time you say my name, I get a chubby.

just saying your name huh, wouldn't be the first time, im pretty good when it comes to things like that....
i'd stay and make you cum but you haven't even taken me out yet...

/done with you

I love all this innuendo in the heavy discussion about not allowing same sex couples to get married. It's somewhat ironic.

[.curve]

Every time you say my name, I get a chubby.

just saying your name huh, wouldn't be the first time, im pretty good when it comes to things like that....
i'd stay and make you cum but you haven't even taken me out yet...

/done with you

I love all this innuendo in the heavy discussion about not allowing same sex couples to get married. It's somewhat ironic.

It's for the lulz.

[TOloseGT]

lulz

same sex couples should be allowed to marry. end of story.

[chickenfeather]

i said the people who passed the bill were primarily uneducated and religious. I don't know for a fact what amount of either of those had on their vote but if you ask a person which thing holds more power over the choices they make A) The Republican Party or B) God they are probably going to say God...

I finally looked up those polls and they do in fact verify that they(the supporters of prop were uneducated/religious/conservative/republican.

This brings up something unusual... Californian voters overwhelmingly voted Obama right? Based on the poll, a majority of those who voted for Obama and liberals did not support prop 8, so how did it pass O_O? It would be impossible for that small minority of uneducated/religious/conservative/republicans to win/pass prop 8 unless there was also large support from the liberal/Obama supporters. Something is fishy about that poll.

[lavapockets]

Ok...first of all, if you're looking at an unscientific poll from whatever source you're on, it doesn't matter what it says. It could say half of CA is from Mars and worships Xena Warrior Princess. It would be about as accurate. (And this goes for everyone, not just the people I happen to disagree with). If a poll is scientific, they should give you their methodology, tell you how they arrived at their sample, uber legitimate and really nice researchers will sometimes give you the whole dataset, their margins of error, etc. I suggest if any of you want your points taken seriously when you talk about polling data, that you start posting a link to your source. Without that, it's all bullshit.

[chickenfeather]

Ok...first of all, if you're looking at an unscientific poll from whatever source you're on, it doesn't matter what it says. It could say half of CA is from Mars and worships Xena Warrior Princess. It would be about as accurate. (And this goes for everyone, not just the people I happen to disagree with). If a poll is scientific, they should give you their methodology, tell you how they arrived at their sample, uber legitimate and really nice researchers will sometimes give you the whole dataset, their margins of error, etc. I suggest if any of you want your points taken seriously when you talk about polling data, that you start posting a link to your source. Without that, it's all bullshit.

My post was based on the polling data that XemnasXD was referring to. A simple google search yields the following :
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/press_cen ... _myths.php
(obviously a biased site, but they do include the link to the actual report)

[lavapockets]

i said the people who passed the bill were primarily uneducated and religious. I don't know for a fact what amount of either of those had on their vote but if you ask a person which thing holds more power over the choices they make A) The Republican Party or B) God they are probably going to say God...

[I finally looked up those polls and they do in fact verify that they(the supporters of prop were uneducated/religious/conservative/republican.

"One additional variable—education—has been found to be strongly associated with support for same sex marriage (see, e.g., Egan, Persily & Wallsten 2008). Unfortunately, the DBR survey did not include a question about respondents’ education levels and so we are unable to analyze the relationship between this variable and support for Proposition 8."
From the report chicken linked me...where did the education data come from then? The report you linked me found that political party, ideology and religion were the three strongest indicators of voting preference on the issue, with those people over the age of 65 also showing strong support for a ban on gay marriage. I think the intent of the original paper was to show that race/ethnicity was not the main determinant of voting preference, because they devote a lot of time to talking about black voters/religiosity etc.

This brings up something unusual... Californian voters overwhelmingly voted Obama right? Based on the poll, a majority of those who voted for Obama and liberals did not support prop 8, so how did it pass O_O?

Ok, disconnect the voters on Obama and the voters on Prop 8. Just because people voted for Obama does not mean they voted against prop 8, though it's probably a statistically significant determinant. Just because people voted for president, doesn't mean they even voted on Prop 8, so the sample size between the two groups is different. Anyway, it's not unusual to find a state that went democratic for president pass a republican measure or vote republican on other issues. If states voted by what you're suggesting is "fishy" above, it would mean that every state that voted for Obama should not have elected a Republican governor or passed any Republican initiatives.

[chickenfeather]

Ok, disconnect the voters on Obama and the voters on Prop 8. Just because people voted for Obama does not mean they voted against prop 8, though it's probably a statistically significant determinant. Just because people voted for president, doesn't mean they even voted on Prop 8, so the sample size between the two groups is different. Anyway, it's not unusual to find a state that went democratic for president pass a republican measure or vote republican on other issues. If states voted by what you're suggesting is "fishy" above, it would mean that every state that voted for Obama should not have elected a Republican governor or passed any Republican initiatives.

Ah true, logical fallacy on my part. (I thought the proposition was included on the back of the presidential ballot)

"One additional variable—education—has been found to be strongly associated with support for same sex marriage (see, e.g., Egan, Persily & Wallsten 2008). Unfortunately, the DBR survey did not include a question about respondents’ education levels and so we are unable to analyze the relationship between this variable and support for Proposition 8."
From the report chicken linked me...where did the education data come from then? The report you linked me found that political party, ideology and religion were the three strongest indicators of voting preference on the issue, with those people over the age of 65 also showing strong support for a ban on gay marriage. I think the intent of the original paper was to show that race/ethnicity was not the main determinant of voting preference, because they devote a lot of time to talking about black voters/religiosity etc.

You are correct, the report does not include anywhere about the education. I had read about that from various blogs as well as heard about it from XemnasXD, but I am unable to find the actual report related to that subject.