Block rate increase skill (bicheon)

[robink]

the blockrate chance of this skill is getting higher and higher is it getting a usefull skill now? at lvl 100 it was 48%br increase i though
my shield is 16 passive +10 thats a total for 74BR!!!!

and i was wondering this: like when a full int with bich skills uses his combo's.. of course the combo's are physical and he is doing his damage by his imbue.. but will the BR increase skill Block the combo's and so also the imbue.?
because then this br incrase skill is kinda useful then it can be used against anything except nukes!!!?

[BaronSengir]

yes it will block the combos and besides you need to max it anyway for bowers

[Nitro]

the blockrate chance of this skill is getting higher and higher is it getting a usefull skill now? at lvl 100 it was 48%br increase i though
my shield is 16 passive +10 thats a total for 74BR!!!!

Shield (16) + Passive (10) = 26 BR ...
48% increase (of 26) = 12.48.

Total = 38.48 BR ....

Am I missing something?

[robink]

But 12 br increase thats like nothing -.- i thought itwas br increase but its br% increase pfff then i think its not worth it to add and btw why should i use it against bowers? Aint the iron wall better?

[BaronSengir]

btw at lv 100 giant shield is 41%br increase
giant shield against bowers because they are spamming kbs now

[robink]

the blockrate chance of this skill is getting higher and higher is it getting a usefull skill now? at lvl 100 it was 48%br increase i though
my shield is 16 passive +10 thats a total for 74BR!!!!

Shield (16) + Passive (10) = 26 BR ...
48% increase (of 26) = 12.48.

Total = 38.48 BR ....

Am I missing something?

so is this calculation right?
because 12% increase thats not really alot

[BaronSengir]

jm information is vague since the br on shield and passive is a percentage i think adds on to giant shield giving 70+ br for 15 seconds correct me if i am wrong

[HolyPrinter]

Bladers are all ready indestructable, except vs. a tank + wiz combo.

[robink]

i'm full int sword (bich/cold/light) btw


so now i am really wondering is it like the skill does +50% br increase
you get a br of 66 with a 16br shield or do you get 24br?
because if its only 24 then i would ofc use the iron wall (phy def inc)

any1 who added this skill?

[Rozelady]

dang, is it realy this hard to understand?

The % it says, is the increase on your current shield..

so you have a br 16 shield? then it's 41% (or whatever) OF THAT 16!!!!!
It's not a 50 BR increase, it's a percentage!
this is without the 1,6 br (lol...) of your bicheon passive..

(this is a fact, i tested it.)

[Kori0129]

dang, is it realy this hard to understand?

The % it says, is the increase on your current shield..

so you have a br 16 shield? then it's 41% (or whatever) OF THAT 16!!!!!
It's not a 50 BR increase, it's a percentage!
this is without the 1,6 br (lol...) of your bicheon passive..

(this is a fact, i tested it.)

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

[EcsTasY]

Bladers are all ready indestructable, except vs. a tank + wiz combo.

Yeah on my glavie I can't kill bladers the same level as me, literally can't until they run out of hp pots, but it takes them like 7+ minutes to kill me, they just wouldn't give up. My 6 gap doesn't really help too much though...

[robink]

with shield it would be:

br 15 shield
39(%) br increase
would be br 19 then well woow you dont even notice that :S

[Rozelady]

dang, is it realy this hard to understand?

The % it says, is the increase on your current shield..

so you have a br 16 shield? then it's 41% (or whatever) OF THAT 16!!!!!
It's not a 50 BR increase, it's a percentage!
this is without the 1,6 br (lol...) of your bicheon passive..

(this is a fact, i tested it.)

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

ok smartass... what does a glavie have to block with?
In case you didnt notice, they dont have a shield.

... and this skill is about BICHEON skills, not HEUKSUAL

[TillTheEnd]

dang, is it realy this hard to understand?

The % it says, is the increase on your current shield..

so you have a br 16 shield? then it's 41% (or whatever) OF THAT 16!!!!!
It's not a 50 BR increase, it's a percentage!
this is without the 1,6 br (lol...) of your bicheon passive..

(this is a fact, i tested it.)

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

ok smartass... what does a glavie have to block with?
In case you didnt notice, they dont have a shield.

... and this skill is about BICHEON skills, not HEUKSUAL

you know u made urself look stupid, read everything again, maybe u will understand his point.

[Rozelady]

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

ok smartass... what does a glavie have to block with?
In case you didnt notice, they dont have a shield.

... and this skill is about BICHEON skills, not HEUKSUAL

you know u made urself look stupid, read everything again, maybe u will understand his point.

i made myself look stupid? How about you tell me where i fail to understand what his question about the Block Ratio on BICHEON skills is.

Think and READ before you flame me

[BaronSengir]

umm they mean both the bicheon(phy) and heuskal(mag) skills are similar and gets added on to what br you currently have

[Bobby]

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

ok smartass... what does a glavie have to block with?
In case you didnt notice, they dont have a shield.

... and this skill is about BICHEON skills, not HEUKSUAL

you know u made urself look stupid, read everything again, maybe u will understand his point.

i made myself look stupid? How about you tell me where i fail to understand what his question about the Block Ratio on BICHEON skills is.

Think and READ before you flame me

lol he is talking about the glaive skill that increases ur block ratio. He is arguing that it dosen't increase the current block ratio on ur shield because glaives don't wear a shield.

dang, is it realy this hard to understand?

The % it says, is the increase on your current shield..

so you have a br 16 shield? then it's 41% (or whatever) OF THAT 16!!!!!
It's not a 50 BR increase, it's a percentage!
this is without the 1,6 br (lol...) of your bicheon passive..

(this is a fact, i tested it.)

okay , then what does the heuksal skill do? It also increases block rate .. so?
Lets say that it gives 30% block rate.
0 X 1.3 = 0 ? Lol, I don't think so

ok smartass... what does a glavie have to block with?
In case you didnt notice, they dont have a shield.

... and this skill is about BICHEON skills, not HEUKSUAL

So u agree with him yet ur flaming him. He may not be talking about the bicheon skill but he has half proven that block ratio increase does not increase ur current shield cos glaives don't wear shields while the buff is on.

[Rozelady]

You seriously fail to understand the question of the TS.....
Does it say Glaive or Heuksual anywhere in his post?

and, im not flaming, he's being sarcastic, so am I.

[Kori0129]

You seriously fail to understand the question of the TS.....
Does it say Glaive or Heuksual anywhere in his post?

and, im not flaming, he's being sarcastic, so am I.

If you say that the short time bichelon skill increases the basic block value of the shield, then the heuksal skill should do the same, adding 0*X = 0 block rate to the char.

edit : Bloody wolf storm (heuksal)
Spin the spear hard to generate a bloody storm. The bloody storm is running like a wolf.
Blocking ratio 10% increase
Continuous time: 15 seconds.
Masterety level : 29

Mountain shield(bichelon)
The second move of the shield skill, it blocks every attack from above or below like a great mountain soaring high into the sky.
Blocking ratio 10% increase
Continuous time: 15 seconds.
Masterety level : 32


and also... just think about the balance. The phisical castle shield makes you almost immunite to physical attacks(Lets say 100% block).
Why should the block castle increase only 1-4% block?

[Rozelady]

You seriously fail to understand the question of the TS.....
Does it say Glaive or Heuksual anywhere in his post?

and, im not flaming, he's being sarcastic, so am I.

If you say that the short time bichelon skill increases the basic block value of the shield, then the heuksal skill should do the same, adding 0*X = 0 block rate to the char.

edit : Bloody wolf storm (heuksal)
Spin the spear hard to generate a bloody storm. The bloody storm is running like a wolf.
Blocking ratio 10% increase
Continuous time: 15 seconds.
Masterety level : 29

Mountain shield(bichelon)
The second move of the shield skill, it blocks every attack from above or below like a great mountain soaring high into the sky.
Blocking ratio 10% increase
Continuous time: 15 seconds.
Masterety level : 32


and also... just think about the balance. The phisical castle shield makes you almost immunite to physical attacks(Lets say 100% block).
Why should the block castle increase only 1-4% block?

Ok, first of all, i apoligize to Kori, I didnt mean to be so rude.

But second, and yet again, we are talking about the bicheon skill here, heuksual is out of the question.
What that fanning fanny spear thing does, i dont know, i dont care, let some other people find it out ^^

And about the balance, you already gave your reason, it blocks PHYSICAL attacks, not magical attacks so nukes arent affected by it, and thats one of the main damage dealers on your character.

For example a wizzard does that charged squall attack where it does knockback.
With the phy def incr. skill, you wont receive lower damage or anything, it doesnt help a bit.
But with the blocking ratio increase, there is a relatively big chance that youll block the squall (or the nuke) and then you'll be able to keep attacking, knocking down, putting on statusses or whatsoever...

You just gotta learn how and when to use your skills and in what sort of situations.
Both are very very useful in their own way

[robink]

thnx for replies people ^^
but i dont agree to this because.. the br increase skill only blocks physical attacks!
it won't block magical attacks... i dont think it will block the knock back then...
tho there are many reasons for the skill to be useful: to block physical attacks from full int players
but what i really want to know is
how much does 10% br increase is it like it blocks 10 hits out of every 100
or
a br 10shield gets 10% increase which makes it br 11? because this is totally useless

[panterr]

it doesnt has anything to do with shield i think.
You've got the blockin ratio blue on weapons you know?
It's about that. Otherwise how can a glaive have BR?
It just decreases the change of some other person to block your attacks.
I think that's simply it.
Edit:
Only Joymax knows for sure.

[Rozelady]

Since when are nukes no longer blocked by a shield?
It DOES block magical attacks because your shield does...
And its not about a person blocking your attacks less or w/e
and why are we comparing 2 different skills? Heuksual and Bicheon are nowhere the same!

Oh and, having br 11 or br 20, its about the chance that youll block an incoming attack.
Ever watched some good PVP? some shields that have br 14 will block like a brick wall, while br 18's seem to just let anything go.
It's about CHANCES, nothing is certain when it comes to chances...

[panterr]

[quote="Rozelady"]Since when are nukes no longer blocked by a shield?
It DOES block magical attacks because your shield does...
And its not about a person blocking your attacks less or w/e
and why are we comparing 2 different skills? Heuksual and Bicheon are nowhere the same!

Well, when you use on heksual, and 1000 bowers spamming you with 6 arrow combo's, i guarantee you. You wont block even 1 arrow.
And that's why we are comparing. A glaive can't block.

[robink]

first of all i wanna say omg :p

The skills says:
Mountain shield: Increases the physical block rate by infusing energy into the shield
so this will block PHYSICAL: which means that those are direct hits like bich/bow/heuksel/2h/dagger/Xbow etc

Bloody Fan Storm: increases magical block rate by creating bla bla

this will only work on magical attacks: nukes lionshouts
but it will not be effected by imbue from a physical
And maybe you have never seen it but Heuksel players can block magical attacks

but i will add mountain shied till +15% increase then just see how many blocks i get from a mangyang out of 50 hits or something

[Kori0129]

first of all i wanna say omg :p

The skills says:
Mountain shield: Increases the physical block rate by infusing energy into the shield
so this will block PHYSICAL: which means that those are direct hits like bich/bow/heuksel/2h/dagger/Xbow etc

Bloody Fan Storm: increases magical block rate by creating bla bla

this will only work on magical attacks: nukes lionshouts
but it will not be effected by imbue from a physical
And maybe you have never seen it but Heuksel players can block magical attacks

but i will add mountain shied till +15% increase then just see how many blocks i get from a mangyang out of 50 hits or something

I'm really looking forward to the result of your experiment

[BaronSengir]

ooh another one of these threads
giant shield only blocks physical attacks and not nukes
bloody demon storm blocks magical attacks only and not physical

[robink]

so i did the experiment
My shield br 15
Passive 8%
Mountain shield lv 1 thats 10% increase
first i will explain how i did it
i went to mangyangs there i lured 3 mangyangs i pressed on 1 everyhit and 2 every block
like this:
111122111111121111221111112111112211121211111111111112222111121111111211121122112111211112111122122
this is without mountain shield 24 out of 99 were block

so thats br
then with mountain shield 33 out of 99 hits were blocked

so.. it seems that mountain shield +10% increase gives BR increase which makes a total of 15+8+10 thats 33
15+8 is 23 so thats almost 24
experiment should be good but ofc its based on luck


THE ONLY WAY to know this for sure is some1 who got this skill on high lvl with like +30% block rate

so please some1 who got this skill that high try the experiment it costed me 10minutes
tho i think the phy def increase is better against spear and sword skills this phy.def doesnt work because they deal dmg by their imbue

[Kori0129]

so i did the experiment
My shield br 15
Passive 8%
Mountain shield lv 1 thats 10% increase
first i will explain how i did it
i went to mangyangs there i lured 3 mangyangs i pressed on 1 everyhit and 2 every block
like this:
111122111111121111221111112111112211121211111111111112222111121111111211121122112111211112111122122
this is without mountain shield 24 out of 99 were block

so thats br
then with mountain shield 33 out of 99 hits were blocked

so.. it seems that mountain shield +10% increase gives BR increase which makes a total of 15+8+10 thats 33
15+8 is 23 so thats almost 24
experiment should be good but ofc its based on luck


THE ONLY WAY to know this for sure is some1 who got this skill on high lvl with like +30% block rate

so please some1 who got this skill that high try the experiment it costed me 10minutes
tho i think the phy def increase is better against spear and sword skills this phy.def doesnt work because they deal dmg by their imbue

could you try this also on a magical monster? (tomb stone ghost maybe or earth taoist)