Why does everyone go Light/Cold for Nukers?

[TheEvilWorm]

Hey all,

the title says it all. Some time ago, I started a 9:1 INT-Hybrid spear nuker, and everyone told me to go for 90 heuksal/ 90cold/ 90 light/ 30 fire. Now I skilled liked that, while my freind left cold at 30 and skilled fire.
Problem is: He ist much stronger than me, and is levelling faster and keeps pwing me in PvP.
Half of my equipment is SoS/SoM, and so is his.
So why is my char sucking so much?
And is it still wise to be a Spear nuker? I hear very much critism on chinese nukers.

[robink]

are you lvl 90?
-he has fire magical def buffs
-you are alot better against str chars

[Tasdik]

What level is your friend and you?

[TheEvilWorm]

Oh, how could I forget? Sorry... When he PvPed, he was 47 and I was 45. Now he has Premium PLUS and is Level 60. I'm still 45.

[Tasdik]

At higher levels you'll do better. Since his snow shield won't be improving and yours will. And the snowshield is what makes all the difference in pvp when your a spear nuker.

Also the prem plus helps him alot. 5 hours a day is a ton of grinding.

[TheEvilWorm]

Hm okay... Will take a long time until you can call me high level. I play legit and without any real money spent on my account. So no 100% more exp and so on.
Another short question: When I go on ice, should I skill the Cold Wave Series, the Frost Nova Series and the Frost Wall Series?

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

Hm okay... Will take a long time until you can call me high level. I play legit and without any real money spent on my account. So no 100% more exp and so on.
Another short question: When I go on ice, should I skill the Cold Wave Series NO, the Frost Nova Series optional but good and the Frost Wall Series optional?

[TheEvilWorm]

Okay... So my freind is now skilling back Light to 30 and goes for Ice/Fire... Why don't people use this build so often? It seems to me as most fire nukes are stronger and there are much more, so with fire you have defence against INT and STR and also much nukes.

Whats bad about that build? I know, it has no Grass Walk Series, but my friend says hes going to buy typhoons. Will I still be able to pwn him? I couldn't stand always get owned of him.

By the way, I'm training at Maong at the moment and I see all the goldbots use Light, Fire AND Ice... That is what you call a pure force nuker right? Well, am I right if I think you can only play that build with S/S? Why?

[Tasdik]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

[TheEvilWorm]

Uh, I'm a spear nuker. That would need around 800 Curst hearts to skill heuksal down and bicheon up... And in THIS (Link) Thread of myself I asked what skill is best to be left at 30 as a Pure INT nuker, and the result is currently 12:3 for leaving fire at 30.

[Blinxx]

you can always go 100fire/spear/ice :S


but you'll be snow dependant.

you you have access to:
highest snow shield possible ( thus far )
high physical defense
high mag defense
highest damage ( chinese )
helps your hybrid build with pysical damage
just to name a few...

just my opinion though.

[TheEvilWorm]

Hm... Now I am confused. Some months ago I asked wether Light or Fire is better and everyone told me to go with lightning and leave fire at 30. Now it seems as not only you (also Tasdik) prefer fire. What has changed?

[robink]

fire nukes got alot stronger
but i am not sure what deals more dmg..
- fire imbue
- or lightning imbue+18% magical increase

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

even if the highest current light nuke dealed more damage than a fire nuke:
-light nukes lack range
-fire nukes are cast quicker
-always only 1 light nuke up to date

[TheEvilWorm]

Thanks for your opinions! So you think a Heuksal/Fire/Ice would own a Heuksal/Light/Ice in PvP (lets think they got the same equip)?

Any onther opinions about that? If it is really that fire is stronger, I will start farming curst hearts immediately to skill down Lightning and Fire up. But 300 Curst hearts will take a while so I dont want to to make hasty decisions.

[robink]

yeah you are legit player ... i forgot
i had to get over 1100 curst hearts xD and made it ,,tho it was in plvl
i would stick with light but its just what you want one of my reasons to go china was the speed
the diff of dmg


but think good about it you dont want to get regret it later xD

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

if he can make it to lvl 120 with the 22% mag increase buff where all light attacks hit as high as fire,
he can stay light ice :->

[TheEvilWorm]

yeah you are legit player ... i forgot

What do you mean by that? Arent you legit? I thought this board is strictly against bots and that stuff.

if he can make it to lvl 120 with the 22% mag increase buff where all light attacks hit as high as fire,
he can stay light ice :->

Oh, forgive me if I missunderstood you (English is not my native language as you maybe will have noticed), but do you mean that lightning is weaker than fire until level 120 and from 120 on, they're equal?
As I'm new to SRO I would rather trust your opinion than thinking about it myself. You gotta have more experience. Do you advise me to skill down lightning or not? Lets just say I only get to about 80 or 90 (because without premium its gotta be reeeally hard to lvl up legit in that levels).

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

Oh, forgive me if I missunderstood you (English is not my native language as you maybe will have noticed), but do you mean that lightning is weaker than fire until level 120 and from 120 on, they're equal?

i have tested the damage difference between light and fire at lvl 40:

the fire imbue really does more damage than light with the mag. buff
i almost always (90% of the times)hit higher than the light nuke with its light imbue.



now the theory
example: first imbues of light and fire compared.

fire 16~26 mag.
divided by the weaker light with
light 12~23 mag.
_______________
33%-13% stronger

now last imbue

fire 912~1520 mag.
divided by the weaker light with
light 723~1344 mag.
________________
26%-13% stronger

minimum damage is at least 25% higher,meaning you will almost always hit higher than light, unless you hit the highest possible damage of light of course.

and nukes have that 10% increase of damage (330 fire instead of 300% for light nukes)
so they should only really be balanced at the latest lvl of the mag buff, at 120 that is, with the 22% increase, but nobody knows for sure.
fire nukes are better either way.

As I'm new to SRO I would rather trust your opinion than thinking about it myself. You gotta have more experience. Do you advise me to skill down lightning or not? Lets just say I only get to about 80 or 90 (because without premium its gotta be reeeally hard to lvl up legit in that levels).

depends on what lvl you are, how much money you have and if you are really willing to sacrifice ALL the speed for higher damage and better nukes.

of course you can keep the light at its current lvl and dlvl when the 300 skills barrier is reached, that way you wont have to go without lights advantages for the whole way

Spoiler!

I have a pure force fire/light/ice nuker and really love its awesome fire nuke damage.
I also have a fire/cold/bicheon nuker lvl 64 and have light at around 36 currently, with a 9 gap, can still 1 hit kill monsters 2 lvls below me(edimmus-shaks).

even without updated skills, the damage is sufficient to set things off, at pvp it is not very hard vs people with prot and the additional defence from the defensive buffs.

the speed isnt really a problem, since i grind at a spot with good spawns and have light at lvl 36 for the "piercing force buff (+10% mag. att.) and some speed (44%)

[Sauron]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

You can put 80 ice to get 50% snow and 20 light.

[timmyla90]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

You can put 80 ice to get 50% snow and 20 light.

Taking 20 light is not worth sacrificing the ultimate defense maxed ice would offer.

[Macsnow]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

You can put 80 ice to get 50% snow and 20 light.

I'd just go 100 cold, theres a nice diff between 70/80 and 100cold, for phys def that is.

[Sauron]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

You can put 80 ice to get 50% snow and 20 light.

I'd just go 100 cold, theres a nice diff between 70/80 and 100cold, for phys def that is.

True. You can easily afford 50% speed drugs, so might as well go for max defense. It's rare to see fire nukers nowadays. I wanna make one now.. I regret making my pure int s/s a lightning/ice/bicheon one.

[EcsTasY]

Hm okay... Will take a long time until you can call me high level. I play legit and without any real money spent on my account. So no 100% more exp and so on.
Another short question: When I go on ice, should I skill the Cold Wave Series NO, the Frost Nova Series optional but good and the Frost Wall Series required?

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

^ walls are best for bowers who can become turrets,
for nukers its more of a temporary lifesaver.

nukers: without knockback the wall will be down in a couple of hits and they are in trouble,
bowers: can prevent anyone even attacking the wall with the knockback skills.


both go down easily if stunned, yeah, but the bow can defend the wall and attack with a high range.

so for a nuker= optional

[Blinxx]

Ice/fire is a good build. Most people don't use it cause they love grass walk. I say go for it. Your grass walk is high enough as it is. Go 100bich/100fire/70ice/30light.

You can put 80 ice to get 50% snow and 20 light.

I'd just go 100 cold, theres a nice diff between 70/80 and 100cold, for phys def that is.

but why would you give up some parry ratio for highest physical defense when you can make that up with armor? that and you can have some some speed for it

physical passives + Ice guard + Ice wall can easilly defend a low hp nuker

a mixture of light and cold is better imo since you get more parry ratio + mag buff and not to forget some speed.

only way I really think you've need ice that high is for highest snow shield possible and ice wall... but for what? warriors? :S I suppose but I still prefer the mixture.. gives you more edge than you think.

[Goseki]

Wow... Has no one noticed that the first concentration book as at lvl 23, not 20. That's just for 14 parry increase = shit. I'd rather have the extra 100 phy def or whatever it was than a measly 14 parry. That's about as much as adding 30% parry inc blue on an item.