SRO Botting Compared to Other Games.

[NuclearSilo]

lol
Look who is talking here. I don't think you are much more older or younger than me. If you're still stubborn, go to any gold selling site, there's always a section for player sell gold to the company. A gold company has to provide to 50 games different, sro has 35 servers. You think a company like that is as big as Microsoft, have 1000 computers and have enough gold from their goldbots to provide to players? Pff, idiot, they are just a middle man.

[.curve]

lol
Look who is talking here. I don't think you are much more older or younger than me. If you're still stubborn, go to any gold selling site, there's always a section for player sell gold to the company. A gold company has to provide to 50 games different, sro has 35 servers. You think a company like that is as big as Microsoft, have 1000 computers and have enough gold from their goldbots to provide to players? Pff, idiot, they are just a middle man.

Of course you can sell them gold. That is not even close to the amount their gold bots make weekly or even daily.

[NuclearSilo]

can't you read? there's not enough goldbots and gold to afford 50 games and 30 servers each

[ping_lo]

First a little CYA just in case the hyperbole police go off half cocked. I reserve the possibility that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Further I reserve the possibility that there may in fact be multiple dimensions/universes each containing intelligent life. And finally I reserve the possibility that one of them may have the worst run MMO ever and not us. But as far as Current day MMOs hosted on earth here in this dimension ISRO is the worst managed MMO there currently is or perhaps have ever been. ISRO is worse managed than all other official versions of SRO. ISRO is worse managed than the major unofficial SRO servers. There is no debate. I have at this point played alot of other MMOs some of which had severe botting cheating problems. The main difference between them and ISRO is that they managed to fix the bugs and bring the cheating under control. Joymax hides the bugs and ignores the botters. They are bar none the worst.

@Curve.
I know you don't believe what you are saying. Simply saying it to convince yourself because you have friends on that are not legit etc and it makes you feel better to blame companies not players. It is naieve to think the companies can farm gold for all those games. They are an intermediary. A middle man. it is much more logical for players to farm etc and sell to the company a single trusted source than it is for each individual player to handle many different transactions with a bunch of unknown players or for a single company to do all that work. Make no mistake the gold resellers share a part of the blame but it is still more on the players.

[zShared]

It's not naive, because it's true. You have no idea.. all they need is a bot and some dedicated servers, then all the goldbots exchange a single character and give them all the gold and SoX and possibly weapon elixirs.
I'm on a server full of bots, I'm in a union with bots. One router can hold 30 SRO connections. There are a lot of people using sbot, which max is 15, but you really think they take the time to log in 15 characters just to go out and sell it to a gold company? And the other clientless bot is iSRObot CL but that was in chinese, I don't even know if it's been translated yet.
The gold companies pay for servers. They run hundreds or thousands of characters from these servers, because each server can hold a lot of IP addresses and clientless characters don't use much resources anyway.
They don't need a lot of employees like m$, maybe 8~12 people for silkroad alone. Maybe even less, all they have to do is click a button and a program creates a character on sro homepage. logs on and creates a character. whacks some mangyangs til level 7 or so, buys NPC stuff for itself and repeats, putting on any drops they can use that is better than what they currently have. It's almost all automated tbh. But even then it takes work. That's why they get paid, it's their job.
I honestly can't believe that there are people who think 100% of the goldcompany income is from the players. I know only one person who has ever sold their gold to them actually, and that was because they were low on cash IRL. They said it's a complete ripoff and they should've just sold to someone in the union.
sorry for being so offtopic.. this will be my last post in this thread, if NS and friends don't understand after this then that's fine, they can live in whatever world they see fit

[ping_lo]

It's not naive, because it's true. You have no idea.. all they need is a bot and some dedicated servers, then all the goldbots exchange a single character and give them all the gold and SoX and possibly weapon elixirs.
I'm on a server full of bots, I'm in a union with bots. One router can hold 30 SRO connections. There are a lot of people using sbot, which max is 15, but you really think they take the time to log in 15 characters just to go out and sell it to a gold company? And the other clientless bot is iSRObot CL but that was in chinese, I don't even know if it's been translated yet.
The gold companies pay for servers. They run hundreds or thousands of characters from these servers, because each server can hold a lot of IP addresses and clientless characters don't use much resources anyway.
They don't need a lot of employees like m$, maybe 8~12 people for silkroad alone. Maybe even less, all they have to do is click a button and a program creates a character on sro homepage. logs on and creates a character. whacks some mangyangs til level 7 or so, buys NPC stuff for itself and repeats, putting on any drops they can use that is better than what they currently have. It's almost all automated tbh. But even then it takes work. That's why they get paid, it's their job.
I honestly can't believe that there are people who think 100% of the goldcompany income is from the players. I know only one person who has ever sold their gold to them actually, and that was because they were low on cash IRL. They said it's a complete ripoff and they should've just sold to someone in the union.
sorry for being so offtopic.. this will be my last post in this thread, if NS and friends don't understand after this then that's fine, they can live in whatever world they see fit

No one is claiming 100% that it is players. Just that it is not all gold companies as some of you keep claiming. I think my logic holds up and you do nothing to refute it. Your personal experience is your personal experience and I am not going to deny you it. But if that is all you have to go on then I am sorry it still seems less likely that they are controlled by just a few companies. I mean even by your own estimate that it takes 8-10 ppl to handle SRO consider that they often handle 20-30 other games that are more dificult to bot etc. So that is 200-300 employees? is selling gold that lucrative?

[Amarisa]

lol its not even worth stating my point vs curve and NS

OT most free based MMOS have this problem because theirs nothing stopping them from making another account.

[.curve]

It's not naive, because it's true. You have no idea.. all they need is a bot and some dedicated servers, then all the goldbots exchange a single character and give them all the gold and SoX and possibly weapon elixirs.
I'm on a server full of bots, I'm in a union with bots. One router can hold 30 SRO connections. There are a lot of people using sbot, which max is 15, but you really think they take the time to log in 15 characters just to go out and sell it to a gold company? And the other clientless bot is iSRObot CL but that was in chinese, I don't even know if it's been translated yet.
The gold companies pay for servers. They run hundreds or thousands of characters from these servers, because each server can hold a lot of IP addresses and clientless characters don't use much resources anyway.
They don't need a lot of employees like m$, maybe 8~12 people for silkroad alone. Maybe even less, all they have to do is click a button and a program creates a character on sro homepage. logs on and creates a character. whacks some mangyangs til level 7 or so, buys NPC stuff for itself and repeats, putting on any drops they can use that is better than what they currently have. It's almost all automated tbh. But even then it takes work. That's why they get paid, it's their job.
I honestly can't believe that there are people who think 100% of the goldcompany income is from the players. I know only one person who has ever sold their gold to them actually, and that was because they were low on cash IRL. They said it's a complete ripoff and they should've just sold to someone in the union.
sorry for being so offtopic.. this will be my last post in this thread, if NS and friends don't understand after this then that's fine, they can live in whatever world they see fit

No one is claiming 100% that it is players. Just that it is not all gold companies as some of you keep claiming. I think my logic holds up and you do nothing to refute it. Your personal experience is your personal experience and I am not going to deny you it. But if that is all you have to go on then I am sorry it still seems less likely that they are controlled by just a few companies. I mean even by your own estimate that it takes 8-10 ppl to handle SRO consider that they often handle 20-30 other games that are more dificult to bot etc. So that is 200-300 employees? is selling gold that lucrative?

This topic is not about those other games. This is about Silkroad.

Also, I never said gold selling companies are 100% the reason, don't put words in my mouth. I said those companies are the majority of the reason for gold bots and server traffic. Not player bots. Hell, I know people who are running 8-10 clients as we speak. But that is nothing for the one computer at some gold selling company, running off their dedicated server, running 40+ clientless gold bots which can be managed by a single person.

Edit: Yes, selling gold is that lucrative. I have a friend who has spent over $1000 on gold alone. $1000 from one person.

[Barotix]

Gold companies would rather use their resources to pay Chinese workers to farm gold&items on games that are actually attractive. Also .cruve over how much time was the 1000 USD spent? A day, a month, a week, a sro career? Very important detail. It shouldn't be left out when making an argument.

[NuclearSilo]

rolf, stop being naive. You said the majority of the bots are from gold companies, do you count them? You can differ gold bot of a company and a gold bot of a player?

Silkroad has 35 servers. Each is filled with at least 2000 gold bots. Each IP holds 40 bots. So 35*2000/40=1750 different IP. But there's only a few companies which sell gold, and other sellers but they are not enough big to be considered a company.

Even if you search with google, you can't search more than 100 gold companies, which leave 1650 IP are from player bots.

I'm not psychologist, but i know, there's a reason why you keep defending player bots and blame the gold companies. Very simple: you bot/or your friend bot and you don't want to feel guilty, you don't want to feel responsible for being a part of the destruction of sro.

[.curve]

Gold companies would rather use their resources to pay Chinese workers to farm gold&items on games that are actually attractive. Also .cruve over how much time was the 1000 USD spent? A day, a month, a week, a sro career? Very important detail. It shouldn't be left out when making an argument.

Ah, very true sir. I believe he spent that $1000 over a month. On gold and elixirs.

rolf, stop being naive. You said the majority of the bots are from gold companies, do you count them? You can differ gold bot of a company and a gold bot of a player?

Silkroad has 35 servers. Each is filled with at least 2000 gold bots. Each IP holds 40 bots. So 35*2000/40=1750 different IP. But there's only a few companies which sell gold, and other sellers but they are not enough big to be considered a company.

Even if you search with google, you can't search more than 100 gold companies, which leave 1650 IP are from player bots.

I'm not psychologist, but i know, there's a reason why you keep defending player bots and blame the gold companies. Very simple: you bot/or your friend bot and you don't want to feel guilty, you don't want to feel responsible for being a part of the destruction of sro.

Do you know how simple it is to proxy through. Gold selling companies run dedicated servers specifically for this job.

Ha, I don't play SRO anymore. Notice my sig? But yes, I know a few people who have their own gold bot armies. No more than 10 gold bots. Why? Most average people's computers aren't built specifically to be running 40+ clients.

[HuNt3rMx]

Theres a difference between player bots and gold bots. Gold bots clog up the servers with hundreds of level 1's standing idle at DW NPC's. At least player bots are doing something constructive

Gold bots are run by player bots. Player bot is his masters

Siloi i lone the gurl in ur avatar, whos her?? can i have a date with her??? thank you.

[selenne]

**selenne enters the channel**

[NuclearSilo]

But yes, I know a few people who have their own gold bot armies. No more than 10 gold bots. Why? Most average people's computers aren't built specifically to be running 40+ clients.

Oh lol, do you know wtf is a clientless bot? Take not more than 5Mb of memory

@HuNt3rMx: with your current English level, it's too soon to date a foreigner.

[selenne]

But yes, I know a few people who have their own gold bot armies. No more than 10 gold bots. Why? Most average people's computers aren't built specifically to be running 40+ clients.

Oh lol, do you know wtf is a clientless bot? Take not more than 5Mb of memory

@HuNt3rMx: with your current English level, it's too soon to date a foreigner.

silo usually takes things too far. but and i usually agree with him.

now, half (if not the most) of clientless bots are owned by players. in olympus all the "top" players are kwnow for havin 20 or 30 gold bots each, not counting their own 2nd, 3rd and 4th chars.

[.curve]

But yes, I know a few people who have their own gold bot armies. No more than 10 gold bots. Why? Most average people's computers aren't built specifically to be running 40+ clients.

Oh lol, do you know wtf is a clientless bot? Take not more than 5Mb of memory

@HuNt3rMx: with your current English level, it's too soon to date a foreigner.

I am aware of this. Like I said also earlier. Only a few bots even support clientless.

[selenne]

I am aware of this. Like I said also earlier. Only a few bots even support clientless.

the bot that supports clientless chars is now so popular...

[.curve]

I am aware of this. Like I said also earlier. Only a few bots even support clientless.

the bot that supports clientless chars is now so popular...

True. I still believe that it doesn't have enough of an effect on the gold bots that there are more player ran gold bots than company ran gold bots.

[HawaiianMix]

Most of the server clog up comes from player bots and bot makers. It's not hard to run multi clients on a computer.

I'm actually glad that they clog up the servers. Since I can't log in, I havn't played in a very long time.

[bakafish]

Most of the server clog up comes from player bots and bot makers. It's not hard to run multi clients on a computer.

I'm actually glad that they clog up the servers. Since I can't log in, I havn't played in a very long time.

*High five*

[CloudStrider]

Theres a difference between player bots and gold bots. Gold bots clog up the servers with hundreds of level 1's standing idle at DW NPC's. At least player bots are doing something constructive

Gold bots are run by player bots. Player bot is his masters

Siloi i lone the gurl in ur avatar, whos her?? can i have a date with her??? thank you.

Lol, some girl he has been obessed with for like 2 years.

Also, this thread didn't trun out how I expected?

OT - Maybe like someone said before that there IS a worst game out there and we're are really lucky? Hmmmmm...twilight zone.

[evilpeta]

on my vast experience in the xian server i've probably talked with over 30+ botters in there who ran their own goldbots, some even told me how many they ran and how much gold they made over time. it was quite amazing, really..
it was something in the x billions / month, now you see where the gold from the companies, at least the majority, comes from.. (no, i'm not naming any botters) and that was back in 80 and early 90 cap. then i quit isro, ofc.
it's hard to admit, or even imagine how addicted some people are. some admitted using several computers, laptops, computers at work, etc. they made billions and sold them for real money to the companies, which was like a part-time job. several hundred bucks a month worth of gold, not much, but definitely covers rent or crap like that, lol..

[NuclearSilo]

I am aware of this. Like I said also earlier. Only a few bots even support clientless.

the bot that supports clientless chars is now so popular...

True. I still believe that it doesn't have enough of an effect on the gold bots that there are more player ran gold bots than company ran gold bots.

sbot, chinese clientless bot, rev6 bot. When a player pay for a bot, he will use all its feature and advantage as possible. There is no reason why they would stick at the rule "1 person, 1 server slot". Even the legits would use "another computers" to take extra slots to stall and plvl his char.

[Lempi]

FYI Most gold companys sell gold they brought from players, and sell it for a profit. In games like WoW they cant run bots because they will be banned within minutes. Just because SRO is a complete shithole, they can get away with gold botting.

[selenne]

the bot that supports clientless chars is now so popular...

True. I still believe that it doesn't have enough of an effect on the gold bots that there are more player ran gold bots than company ran gold bots.

sbot, chinese clientless bot, rev6 bot. When a player pay for a bot, he will use all its feature and advantage as possible. There is no reason why they would stick at the rule "1 person, 1 server slot". Even the legits would use "another computers" to take extra slots to stall and plvl his char.

exactly. i was just tryin to not say the names here lolz

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[Botlessbear]

Gold Buyers and Chinese gold bot companies are the problem.

[CeLL]

Gold Buyers and Chinese gold bot companies are the problem.

stay on topic here.

[HawaiianMix]

Most of the server clog up comes from player bots and bot makers. It's not hard to run multi clients on a computer.

I'm actually glad that they clog up the servers. Since I can't log in, I havn't played in a very long time.

*High five*

Hey, give me your accounts mens.

Havn't talked to you in a very long time.

[AkillerNXC]

First 0x33 farked us over, and people adore them thinking they're gods.

Then Rev6 farked us over 10x more, adding their shithole bot and ruining jobbing and everything else.

Then Sbot farked us over so much that the game is 100% dead.


The sad part is...alot of people think that Rev6 and 0x33 have "good communities" when they are the ones who started killing this game.

isrobot and whatever ones didn't hardly hurt the game, why? Because it cost you money out the ass, nobody wanted to pay like $40 a month just to bot and then another $50 on silk.

[ping_lo]

lol its not even worth stating my point vs curve and NS

OT most free based MMOS have this problem because theirs nothing stopping them from making another account.

none of them to the scale and depth SRO has. I have played alot of them and know first hand. SRO is way worse.