2nd person commits suicide at Gun Range

[lavapockets]

You remember the crazy lady who shot herself and her son at a shooting range?

Another guy with a history of mental illness decided to do the same - at the same range. The 24 year old man rented a gun, shot himself after firing a few shots at the target, and died on the scene. The gun shop is now refusing to reopen until they're allowed to conduct background checks on people who come in to rent guns. They insisted on this the first time, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) told them it was against the law. Hopefully this will spark some debate about increasing checks on individuals who go to ranges, buy guns, etc.

See the full story there:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-s ... 6589.story

[*BlackFox]

Ok, now it's getting creepy.

[Mirosuke]

Shoot Straight lol

That's awfull

[Love]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

[lavapockets]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic or ex-felon standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

[Squirt]

The same Gun-range? Wow, bad luck...

[John_Doe]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic Buying a gun does not justifly digging up any citizens personal background, I understand checking criminal record but not their personal life or ex-felon Define ex-felon? standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

I see nothing wrong with this, the guy wanted to die like that then so be it.

[Reise]

Agreed with John Doe.

[lavapockets]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic Buying a gun does not justifly digging up any citizens personal background, I understand checking criminal record but not their personal life or ex-felon Define ex-felon? standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

I see nothing wrong with this, the guy wanted to die like that then so be it.

That's disgusting. Just because he wanted to die doesn't mean he has to go blow a hole in his head in a gun range. He's putting a lot of people through a lot of trouble, not to mention trauma and expense. Have some respect and die with a little dignity.

An ex-felon is someone who is no longer a felon. If you've been convicted, served your time, and gotten your rights back, you're no longer a felon. Ex-con is too broad a term because that can include people who have been convicted of misdemeanor offenses, like unpaid parking tickets.

I see nothing wrong with personal backgrounds if you want to purchase a gun. It's a deadly weapon, and a lot of responsibility should come with owning one because the consequences of misuse are pretty severe. I think a mandatory psych evaluation would be a great thing. That doesn't have to mean rummaging through someone's personal effects, but a phone call to a person's doctor or a mandatory 1-2 hour psych evaluation. It's not really all that intrusive. But is that too high a price to pay for saving lives? Ask the victims of V-Tech, they might not think so.

[Love]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic or ex-felon standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

That is a very valid point but the problem with it for me is any overthetop approval system that could come up with that train of thought. I wouldn't mind for example flashing my driver license to get in there and have them check "the system" on the spot for any critical information but it would create a problem if they were to have me fill x application, come the next day, go to x place and have me repeat all that with any friend I happen to be interested in inviting and that is what I think could come if we follow the logic to such a system.

I think the solution is to take more responsibility as individuals and not blame anyone or anything as long as it remains logical. I find rather outrageous that we are trying to stop people from killing themselves ( suicide ) couse that is something they obviously never asked of us and would completely evade any sense of control/right that this person has over himself; mental illness or not.

That being said once you actually look at the number of incidents that have taken place at shooting ranges you will find that there is no real treat. Generally speaking the people who attend these places are passionate about the sport and exercise above acceptable behavior. With passionate about the sport as much of a joke as it might seem also comes the ability to defend themselves, no rampage is likely to progress on a shooting range. So if you have blood dreams as far as I can speculate you are more likely to go "unleash" yourself with the people you particularly have problems with and/or are easy prey to w/e fantasy is in your messed up head.

Conclusion ? Driving is way riskier in many senses and I would not approve of a rather large number of people for another vast number of reasons but there are still logical standards and measures that we can put into place where we can protect each other without dictating others behavior. To not leave that in the air I'll say I drive fairly slow, keep my distance, am very aware of my surroundings at all times and that is pretty much how I protect myself and take responsibility for the lack of self-sufficiency others posses.

[lavapockets]

With the kind of system I would implement, if it were up to me, would not require much more effort than giving them your driver's license. You get a gun ownership/use license which requires you to, every 5-10 years, update your information with whatever oversight agency there was. You pay a fee to have your gun license, you have the full background conducted, and then you've got your card. Which you present in order to buy a gun/rent a gun. It wouldn't be that much more of a hassle, it would consolidate information, and it would require people to be a little bit more invested in the process. I doubt you'd lose too many hardcore sports fans, but you might catch quite a few people who shouldn't be around guns.

IMO I think the DMV could be a little more strict as well. There are people out there who shouldn't be driving.

[John_Doe]

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic Buying a gun does not justifly digging up any citizens personal background, I understand checking criminal record but not their personal life or ex-felon Define ex-felon? standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

I see nothing wrong with this, the guy wanted to die like that then so be it.

That's disgusting. Just because he wanted to die doesn't mean he has to go blow a hole in his head in a gun range. What gives you any right to dictate how a person dies, I do not encourage death on gun ranges though He's putting a lot of people through a lot of trouble, not to mention trauma and expense. You act like you actually care about what happens to the people there, but all I see is your dislike for his way of dying. Have some respect and die with a little dignity. Again "respect" and "dignity" are very subjective.

An ex-felon is someone who is no longer a felon. If you've been convicted, served your time, and gotten your rights back, you're no longer a felon. Ex-con is too broad a term because that can include people who have been convicted of misdemeanor offenses, like unpaid parking ticketsexactly so be specific..

I see nothing wrong with personal backgrounds if you want to purchase a gun. It's a deadly weapon, again define deadly? I can easily kill a person with a poison, knife, wrench, bow/arrow, fist, even venomous snake if I wanted too. and a lot of responsibility should come with owning one because the consequences of misuse are pretty severe. Again there is a lot of responsibility involved in owning a gun, but a few people killing other people or themselves with them does not justified forcing the government to impose measures on the nation for the mistakes of a few people. I think a mandatory psych evaluation would be a great thing. That doesn't have to mean rummaging through someone's personal effects, but a phone call to a person's doctor As if patient doctor confidentiality doesn't even exist anymore? Give the feds more access to our backgrounds without cause. or a mandatory 1-2 hour psych evaluation. It's not really all that intrusive. Again what you deem intrusive and no intrusive could be different from me or any other person on this forum. But is that too high a price to pay for saving lives? USeing your logic why not have background checks on people who buy cars? I mean stats say way more people die from car accidents alone compare to guns? Would you like that? Ask the victims of V-Tech, they might not think so.This is stupid at least I think so, you use a suicide thread to adovocate gun control, backing up your stand with the V-Tech incident which is in no way similar to this incident.

[Ash]

Well ..... it's kinda tempting .

[Rip Tide]

The few ruins it for the many. Typical.

[Mr.Ganji]

this is pretty retarded, won't open til they allow background check ? gl going out of business.

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic or ex-felon standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

That is a very valid point but the problem with it for me is any overthetop approval system that could come up with that train of thought. I wouldn't mind for example flashing my driver license to get in there and have them check "the system" on the spot for any critical information but it would create a problem if they were to have me fill x application, come the next day, go to x place and have me repeat all that with any friend I happen to be interested in inviting and that is what I think could come if we follow the logic to such a system.

I think the solution is to take more responsibility as individuals and not blame anyone or anything as long as it remains logical. I find rather outrageous that we are trying to stop people from killing themselves ( suicide ) couse that is something they obviously never asked of us and would completely evade any sense of control/right that this person has over himself; mental illness or not.

That being said once you actually look at the number of incidents that have taken place at shooting ranges you will find that there is no real treat. Generally speaking the people who attend these places are passionate about the sport and exercise above acceptable behavior. With passionate about the sport as much of a joke as it might seem also comes the ability to defend themselves, no rampage is likely to progress on a shooting range. So if you have blood dreams as far as I can speculate you are more likely to go "unleash" yourself with the people you particularly have problems with and/or are easy prey to w/e fantasy is in your messed up head.

Conclusion ? Driving is way riskier in many senses and I would not approve of a rather large number of people for another vast number of reasons but there are still logical standards and measures that we can put into place where we can protect each other without dictating others behavior. To not leave that in the air I'll say I drive fairly slow, keep my distance, am very aware of my surroundings at all times and that is pretty much how I protect myself and take responsibility for the lack of self-sufficiency others posses.

lavapockets nailed this one. I find it difficult to believe that even after he has beautifully summarized his points that someone disagrees with him.

[MrJoey]

I think the solution is to take more responsibility as individuals and not blame anyone or anything as long as it remains logical. I find rather outrageous that we are trying to stop people from killing themselves ( suicide ) couse that is something they obviously never asked of us and would completely evade any sense of control/right that this person has over himself; mental illness or not.

How about the first person that committed suicide? She killed someone else first, then did the suicide. Would be worth it to stop at least the murder there.

[.AWAKE.]

Well, think about the other people that go there. I've been to shooting ranges before, and I would personally like to know there's not some psychotic lunatic Buying a gun does not justifly digging up any citizens personal background, I understand checking criminal record but not their personal life or ex-felon Define ex-felon? standing next to me with a gun. It's not just about the safety of the person renting the equipment, it's about the safety of everyone in the facility. I hope they get stricter standards, it would make me feel a lot safer.

I see nothing wrong with this, the guy wanted to die like that then so be it.

That's disgusting. Just because he wanted to die doesn't mean he has to go blow a hole in his head in a gun range. What gives you any right to dictate how a person dies, I do not encourage death on gun ranges though He's putting a lot of people through a lot of trouble, not to mention trauma and expense. You act like you actually care about what happens to the people there, but all I see is your dislike for his way of dying. Have some respect and die with a little dignity. Again "respect" and "dignity" are very subjective.

An ex-felon is someone who is no longer a felon. If you've been convicted, served your time, and gotten your rights back, you're no longer a felon. Ex-con is too broad a term because that can include people who have been convicted of misdemeanor offenses, like unpaid parking ticketsexactly so be specific..

I see nothing wrong with personal backgrounds if you want to purchase a gun. It's a deadly weapon, again define deadly? I can easily kill a person with a poison, knife, wrench, bow/arrow, fist, even venomous snake if I wanted too. and a lot of responsibility should come with owning one because the consequences of misuse are pretty severe. Again there is a lot of responsibility involved in owning a gun, but a few people killing other people or themselves with them does not justified forcing the government to impose measures on the nation for the mistakes of a few people. I think a mandatory psych evaluation would be a great thing. That doesn't have to mean rummaging through someone's personal effects, but a phone call to a person's doctor As if patient doctor confidentiality doesn't even exist anymore? Give the feds more access to our backgrounds without cause. or a mandatory 1-2 hour psych evaluation. It's not really all that intrusive. Again what you deem intrusive and no intrusive could be different from me or any other person on this forum. But is that too high a price to pay for saving lives? USeing your logic why not have background checks on people who buy cars? I mean stats say way more people die from car accidents alone compare to guns? Would you like that? Ask the victims of V-Tech, they might not think so.This is stupid at least I think so, you use a suicide thread to adovocate gun control, backing up your stand with the V-Tech incident which is in no way similar to this incident.

have u even been to a gun range before?
BTW a backround check , IS a check into there criminal history , there not looking at your mortgage payments , bank statements etc..
what gives this man the right to go into a place of business , rent a gun , and kill himself without regards to anyone elses safety? , what if the bullet had gone thru his head and struck another person? , it didnt happen , but it could of,
not only does this cause more troubles and delays of the reopening of this business , but now this selfish mother ****** decides to ruin it for the members of the gun range who will now be subjected to backround checks etc..

i like how you simply put this statement

"there is a lot of responsibility involved in owning a gun, but a few people killing other people or themselves with them does not justified forcing the government to impose measures on the nation for the mistakes of a few people."
tell me oh wise one , how many people have to die by your standards for measures to be taken?
20? 30? 50!?!?

if the guy wants to kill himself , so be it , sit in ur car with a hose from ur exhaust to ur window
rather then go into a gun range with BLATANT disregard for anyone's safety and shoot yourself in the head

oh and your comparing buying cars to buying guns?
LMAO!!
the epicness of that is just TO epic

[Reise]

Free country.

You're free to break the law, free to deal with the consequences, free to kill yourself where you see fit.

The instant you start punishing others when people do things of their own free will is the same instant you stop being a free country.

[John_Doe]

have u even been to a gun range before? WTF are you implying?
BTW a backround check Wish I had a Captian Obvious picture with me , IS a check into there criminal history , there not looking at your mortgage payments , bank statements etc..
what gives this man the right to go into a place of business , rent a gun , and kill himself without regards to anyone elses safety? His suicide has nothing to do with right so don't even start some morality BS debate with me, it was his choice not "right" , what if the bullet had gone thru his head and struck another person? What if a plane dropped on your head? What ifs do not justify your claims at all... , it didnt happen , but it could of Unless it's "will happen" this does no support your rant any way at all...,
not only does this cause more troubles and delays of the reopening of this business , but now this selfish mother ****** decides to ruin it for the members of the gun range who will now be subjected to backround checks etc..can I see evidence for this load of BS

i like how you simply put this statement

"there is a lot of responsibility involved in owning a gun, but a few people killing other people or themselves with them does not justified forcing the government to impose measures on the nation for the mistakes of a few people."
tell me oh wise one , how many people have to die by your standards for measures to be taken?
20? 30? 50!?!?So you know my standards now? Just from that one post? 20? 30? 50? lol while way more then 50 people died from car accidents and mislabed prescriptions each year, plz don't give me any of your feelings induced morality BS.

if the guy wants to kill himself , so be it , sit in ur car with a hose from ur exhaust to ur window
rather then go into a gun I believe C4s straped to his chest would had done more damage range with BLATANT disregard for anyone's safety and shoot yourself in the head

oh and your comparing buying cars to buying guns?
LMAO!!
the epicness of that is just TO epic Epic indeed in the fact that you don't get how I was comparing it...I am comparing the death result from cars to the deaths resulted from guns Farking idiot, and therefor using Lava's logic why not impose measures on car buying as well. This is why you read before writing.

[.AWAKE.]

lol i screenshotted your reply so i can get a quick laugh every now and then

what a moron.

[dom]

lol i screenshotted your reply so i can get a quick laugh every now and then

what a moron.

You should read your posts.

Another thread compromised by hormonal changes.