Dual build (EcSro VIP)

[Zyrax]

I'm making a dual build (90 Heuksal/90 Bicheon/90 Fire) in the VIP server, but a problem has occured. I decided to make the build hybrid, so i spent some stat points on INT. However, until now (lvl 37), i've only addded INT randomly, but i figured that wouldn't be good when i'm capped.

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

[evilpeta]

str hybrid is not the way to go man..
some people say str hybrids are good and stuff but i just can't find a purpose to them. higher mp? higher mag def? doesn't make out for the amount of hp and crit dmg you're sacrificing.
for your dual build, go pure str

btw im assuming you don't wanna be a hybrid int, with the nukes and stuff. since you can STILL become a hybrid int. but as for pure str, you'll have to make another char.

[Macsnow]

str hybrid is not the way to go man..
some people say str hybrids are good and stuff but i just can't find a purpose to them. higher mp? higher mag def? doesn't make out for the amount of hp and damage you're sacrificing, especially the crit damage.
for your dual build, go pure str

btw im assuming you don't wanna be a hybrid int, with the nukes and stuff. since you can STILL become a hybrid int. but as for pure str, you'll have to make another char.

I think likewise.

[Zyrax]

Aah, that's too bad. Well i'll see what i will do, thnx for the info.

[Skullbasher62]

the common sterotype is that str hybrids are bad. in practice however, especially on SRO, str hybrids can do pretty well. a forum member here, Lady Shadows runs a similar setup to what you're looking to do, and i must say she's extremely annoying to pvp, and hits pretty damn hard. i'd look to her for advice.

[raphaell666]

the common sterotype is that str hybrids are bad. in practice however, especially on SRO, str hybrids can do pretty well. a forum member here, Lady Shadows runs a similar setup to what you're looking to do, and i must say she's extremely annoying to pvp, and hits pretty damn hard. i'd look to her for advice.

I second this.

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

In my opinion, keep it like that, with 87% physical balance and 44% magical balance. It's just fine for a Hybrid STR. There's no actual drawback from going with that build, just less HP, but you'll be dealing more damage, and if you need to tank simply switch to blade and shield. I say go for it.

[Zyrax]

the common sterotype is that str hybrids are bad. in practice however, especially on SRO, str hybrids can do pretty well. a forum member here, Lady Shadows runs a similar setup to what you're looking to do, and i must say she's extremely annoying to pvp, and hits pretty damn hard. i'd look to her for advice.

I second this.

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

In my opinion, keep it like that, with 87% physical balance and 44% magical balance. It's just fine for a Hybrid STR. There's no actual drawback from going with that build, just less HP, but you'll be dealing more damage, and if you need to tank simply switch to blade and shield. I say go for it.

Thnx raphaell666, was kinda hoping for you too show up in this thread (since u always got good answers to... Well, almost everything).

I PM'ed Lady Shadow, hope to get a reply.

[Macsnow]

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

In my opinion, keep it like that, with 87% physical balance and 44% magical balance. It's just fine for a Hybrid STR. There's no actual drawback from going with that build, just less HP, but you'll be dealing more damage, and if you need to tank simply switch to blade and shield. I say go for it.

Pure STR > Hybrid STR.

For pure STR you'll have more HP, higher crits.
For Hybrid STR you get what? A bit more MP, and a bit more damage out of the imbue? Nah, the bit more damage you get from imbue doesn't make up for the loss in HP/crit dmg, so imo not worth choosing it over a pure STR.

I think the real question here is, are you willing to start over again to make that pure build?

[fckerr]

2str:1int is teh sex

[Zyrax]

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

In my opinion, keep it like that, with 87% physical balance and 44% magical balance. It's just fine for a Hybrid STR. There's no actual drawback from going with that build, just less HP, but you'll be dealing more damage, and if you need to tank simply switch to blade and shield. I say go for it.

Pure STR > Hybrid STR.

For pure STR you'll have more HP, higher crits.
For Hybrid STR you get what? A bit more MP, and a bit more damage out of the imbue? Nah, the bit more damage you get from imbue doesn't make up for the loss in HP/crit dmg, so imo not worth choosing it over a pure STR.

I think the real question here is, are you willing to start over again to make that pure build?

Truth to be told, I really don't wanna re-roll. I'ma continue play this character, even if it might not be the best build out there. I'ma give it a shot, but who knows... It might just end up being rather strong?

[Macsnow]

Truth to be told, I really don't wanna re-roll. I'ma continue play this character, even if it might not be the best build out there. I'ma give it a shot, but who knows... It might just end up being rather strong?

Will work fine, truth be told (xD), every half way decent build is good if the gear your wearing is good.
Was just saying, say all npc gears, I would rather be Pure STR then hybrid STR...

[Zyrax]

Truth to be told, I really don't wanna re-roll. I'ma continue play this character, even if it might not be the best build out there. I'ma give it a shot, but who knows... It might just end up being rather strong?

Will work fine, truth be told (xD), every half way decent build is good if the gear your wearing is good.
Was just saying, say all npc gears, I would rather be Pure STR then hybrid STR...

Good to hear.

And well, thanks for telling your opinions. I'ma take your advice if I decide to plvl a new character later on.

[Skullbasher62]

Truth to be told, I really don't wanna re-roll. I'ma continue play this character, even if it might not be the best build out there. I'ma give it a shot, but who knows... It might just end up being rather strong?

Will work fine, truth be told (xD), every half way decent build is good if the gear your wearing is good.
Was just saying, say all npc gears, I would rather be Pure STR then hybrid STR...

and thats your opinion of the situation. i say let him play what he wants

[Macsnow]

Truth to be told, I really don't wanna re-roll. I'ma continue play this character, even if it might not be the best build out there. I'ma give it a shot, but who knows... It might just end up being rather strong?

Will work fine, truth be told (xD), every half way decent build is good if the gear your wearing is good.
Was just saying, say all npc gears, I would rather be Pure STR then hybrid STR...

#1and thats your opinion of the situation. #2i say let him play what he wants

#1~ What gave me away?

#2~ Your so right, I shouldn't force people into builds they don't like.

Irony [/OFF]

*Facepalm anybody?*

[Skullbasher62]

I think the real question here is, are you willing to start over again to make that pure build?

#2~ Your so right, I shouldn't force people into builds they don't like.

Irony [/OFF]

*Facepalm anybody?*

[Macsnow]

I think the real question here is, are you willing to start over again to make that pure build?

#2~ Your so right, I shouldn't force people into builds they don't like.

Irony [/OFF]

*Facepalm anybody?*

Might be just me, but I only see you self-owning yourself lol.
Cause your quote totally shows how Im making him take the build I prefer... rofl.

Anyways, not gonna fall for some stupid pointless discussion.

[Amarisa]

the common sterotype is that str hybrids are bad. in practice however, especially on SRO, str hybrids can do pretty well. a forum member here, Lady Shadows runs a similar setup to what you're looking to do, and i must say she's extremely annoying to pvp, and hits pretty damn hard. i'd look to her for advice.

^^ i feel special. anyways id like to say my gear is shit half npc or npc +3 my crits are down to 3 on my weps and yet i haven't found a glavier i haven't killed at least once that's my lvl. at the moment my phy % is at 91 its a good build but its not perfect you can easily get into pot wars with dual weps. to all those who don't like str hybrid or don't see a point its about hitting a bit harder per hit sure your crits wont hit as hard but you will make that up by hitting harder. hybrid str is ment to not rely on crits but could use it if they get it. also str hybrid is real nice to pve with too because like i said they dont rely on crit to deal damage.

[raphaell666]

So the question is: What would be a good percentage for my Phys. Balance? Right now it's 87% Phys/ 44 Mag. Balance. Thankful for replies!

In my opinion, keep it like that, with 87% physical balance and 44% magical balance. It's just fine for a Hybrid STR. There's no actual drawback from going with that build, just less HP, but you'll be dealing more damage, and if you need to tank simply switch to blade and shield. I say go for it.

Pure STR > Hybrid STR.
There's not such a thing. This is, at most, your opinion, nothing more than that.

For pure STR you'll have more HP, higher crits.
More HP, VERY slightly higher crits, and considerably lower normal average damage.
For Hybrid STR you get what? A bit more MP, and a bit more damage out of the imbue? Nah, the bit more damage you get from imbue doesn't make up for the loss in HP/crit dmg, so imo not worth choosing it over a pure STR.
With Hybrid STR you get a considerable increase in average damage, while pretty much not losing critical damage at all, though yeah, losing some HP. Neither one is better, in fact, the arguably best hybrid at 80 cap if I recall it correctly belonged to LiquidSmooth, a hybrid STR character*. There's no such a thing as pure STR > hybrid STR or whatever, as I said, it depends utterly on what you prefer. Another things affecting this matter would be if your character is or not built correctly, and if the player is or not good, but the same applies to every build in this game.
Take a look at LiquidSmooth's damage with a plain bow at mangyangs:

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And his damage with a sosun bow (notice that he breaks the damage cap with every single skill):

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*In fact, if I recall it correctly, there was a "Highest Damage Contest" here in SRF, and the highest damage was his.

I think the real question here is, are you willing to start over again to make that pure build?
Absolutely not true, as stated above.

[TheDrop]

PvP is more about weapon/gear and how farmed you are in sro really (and some skills and luck). IMO being heavy str hybrid (like 87%~92%) won't really make a significant difference. For a pure str glaiver vs. a 87%~90% str glaive though, i'd say the pure str would win because the damage of glaive is good enough without the small damage increase of imbue (and if they have similar sets and are both farmed). Str Blader vs. Hyb str blader would just be either luck (more blocks/criticals) or the Hyb blader might win because of more consistent damage (even though the damage would be similar to the str blader's, the small damage increase could help w/ fast moves like stabs and chains.)

Just my opinion though.

BTW was LiquidSmooth 90% str or 70:70?

[raphaell666]

PvP is more about weapon/gear and how farmed you are in sro really (and some skills and luck). IMO being heavy str hybrid (like 87%~92%) won't really make a significant difference. For a pure str glaiver vs. a 87%~90% str glaive though, i'd say the pure str would win because the damage of glaive is good enough without the small damage increase of imbue (and if they have similar sets and are both farmed). Str Blader vs. Hyb str blader would just be either luck (more blocks/criticals) or the Hyb blader might win because of more consistent damage (even though the damage would be similar to the str blader's, the small damage increase could help w/ fast moves like stabs and chains.)

Just my opinion though.

I say the winner in any of the fights you mentioned would be the one with better gear, and/or better player, and/or better skilled. I doubt anything else of what you said is true though. Damage of glaive is good enough without the damage of the imbue? Why is that relevant here? Glaiver does deal considerably good damage, and going hybrid you'd further considerably increase it's damage making it further less reliant on crits. Glaive yes has a high physical damage and a high magical damage if compared to blade or bow, and that'd be one more reason for going hybrid. The Pure STR would rely more on criticals to kill, while the hybrid STR would still crit just as hard while dealing higher damage with non-crit attacks, but it'd have slightly less HP. There are a lot of variables to determine who would win this fight, but I'm almost sure being or not hybrid is not one of them. Also, if you consider that glaive has a rather low crit, and no crit increasing skills, as well as blade, wouldn't it be recommended to go hybrid just so not to rely as much on crits which are rather rare to happen? Just something to think, it's not, like, true or anything, but I wouldn't know how exactly to answer to that, making me believe that it'd be a somewhat good option to go hybrid. Also, I'm pretty sure the increase in damage from going hybrid would be rather "big".

BTW was LiquidSmooth 90% str or 70:70?

I can't answer that with certainty, but I'm pretty sure it's something between 85-90% physical balance naked, based solely on observation.

[TheDrop]

I say the winner in any of the fights you mentioned would be the one with better gear, and/or better player, and/or better skilled. I doubt anything else of what you said is true though. Damage of glaive is good enough without the damage of the imbue? Why is that relevant here? Glaiver does deal considerably good damage, and going hybrid you'd further considerably increase it's damage making it further less reliant on crits. Glaive yes has a high physical damage and a high magical damage if compared to blade or bow, and that'd be one more reason for going hybrid. The Pure STR would rely more on criticals to kill, while the hybrid STR would still crit just as hard while dealing higher damage with non-crit attacks, but it'd have slightly less HP. There are a lot of variables to determine who would win this fight, but I'm almost sure being or not hybrid is not one of them. Also, if you consider that glaive has a rather low crit, and no crit increasing skills, as well as blade, wouldn't it be recommended to go hybrid just so not to rely as much on crits which are rather rare to happen? Just something to think, it's not, like, true or anything, but I wouldn't know how exactly to answer to that, making me believe that it'd be a somewhat good option to go hybrid. Also, I'm pretty sure the increase in damage from going hybrid would be rather "big".

I already said, pvp would depend more on their gear/skill/luck/farmed or not than their balances.
I didnt say glaive's damage is good w/o imbue, what i meant was, its good enough without having to become hybrid. Yeah, glaive skills don't have crit increases, but what i meant was, the damage increase is not worth the loss in hp (even if its only like ~1k). As i said, i don't believe the a ~90% hyb str would have significantly higher damage than a pure str's. If it was something like <85% the damage would probably be noticeably higher.
Another thing, Str's are usually seen as tanks, as in being able to out-tank their opponents.

[Amarisa]

I say the winner in any of the fights you mentioned would be the one with better gear, and/or better player, and/or better skilled. I doubt anything else of what you said is true though. Damage of glaive is good enough without the damage of the imbue? Why is that relevant here? Glaiver does deal considerably good damage, and going hybrid you'd further considerably increase it's damage making it further less reliant on crits. Glaive yes has a high physical damage and a high magical damage if compared to blade or bow, and that'd be one more reason for going hybrid. The Pure STR would rely more on criticals to kill, while the hybrid STR would still crit just as hard while dealing higher damage with non-crit attacks, but it'd have slightly less HP. There are a lot of variables to determine who would win this fight, but I'm almost sure being or not hybrid is not one of them. Also, if you consider that glaive has a rather low crit, and no crit increasing skills, as well as blade, wouldn't it be recommended to go hybrid just so not to rely as much on crits which are rather rare to happen? Just something to think, it's not, like, true or anything, but I wouldn't know how exactly to answer to that, making me believe that it'd be a somewhat good option to go hybrid. Also, I'm pretty sure the increase in damage from going hybrid would be rather "big".

I already said, pvp would depend more on their gear/skill/luck/farmed or not than their balances.
I didnt say glaive's damage is good w/o imbue, what i meant was, its good enough without having to become hybrid. Yeah, glaive skills don't have crit increases, but what i meant was, the damage increase is not worth the loss in hp (even if its only like ~1k). As i said, i don't believe the a ~90% hyb str would have significantly higher damage than a pure str's. If it was something like <85% the damage would probably be noticeably higher.
Another thing, Str's are usually seen as tanks, as in being able to out-tank their opponents.

when will you learn >< even if you do 1k more dmg then the pure str you negate there more hp because your dealing the higher damage. so far iv mainly died were even a pure str would have died like mas crits or something along those lines.

[evilpeta]

i'd really like to see some pvp vids of a hybrid str, it's a build i have rarely seen.
i remember mike2007 on xian was a hybrid str bower i think? he used to be pretty strong. although we did pvp once at 6x and i won almost every fight i just kept staring at his dmg at it was pretty dam good.
what Lady_Shadows said about higher dmg is absolutely right, although you'll have to be way more hybrid to notice a nice difference in damage.
anyway, cool that there are some hybrid str players around, maybe you'd like to contribute with stats/build? maybe a vid or two?

[Amarisa]

like to contribute with stats/build? maybe a vid or two?

planning to at 90 :p

[Skullbasher62]

raw stats at 90, a 90% str hybrid (90 phys/39mag balances) loses 7% phys balance, gains 11% mag balance, and loses 2.7khp.

[TheDrop]

raw stats at 90, a 90% str hybrid (90 phys/39mag balances) loses 7% phys balance, gains 11% mag balance, and loses 2.7khp.

Darn i was gonna post that lol >.>

And you are right Lady, just depends on which one you would rather have, more damage w/ imbue or more hp

[Amarisa]

And you are right Lady, just depends on which one you would rather have, more damage w/ imbue or more hp

damn straight im right lol

[Snoopy]

As far as my having played the game (3 years iirc); Hybrid STR don't work out as well as Hybrid INT's.

Glaiver:- I would pick Pure STR.
Bow:- Pure or Hybrid (I rather hybrid though)
Blade:- Pre 80 cap I'd have said hybrid, however >90-100 I'd suggest pure STR.

This is personal preference.

Remember people, HP isn't everything in the game. Gear is!

[raphaell666]

I already said, pvp would depend more on their gear/skill/luck/farmed or not than their balances.
You wrote:

"For a pure str glaiver vs. a 87%~90% str glaive though, i'd say the pure str would win because the damage of glaive is good enough without the small damage increase of imbue (and if they have similar sets and are both farmed)."

And that goes against what you've just posted.

I didnt say glaive's damage is good w/o imbue, what i meant was, its good enough without having to become hybrid.
That's exactly the same of what you previously said, lol.

"because the damage of glaive is good enough without the small damage increase of imbue."

Again:

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Damage of glaive is good enough without the damage of the imbue? Why is that relevant here? Glaiver does deal considerably good damage, and going hybrid you'd further considerably increase it's damage making it further less reliant on crits. Glaive yes has a high physical damage and a high magical damage if compared to blade or bow, and that'd be one more reason for going hybrid. The Pure STR would rely more on criticals to kill, while the hybrid STR would still crit just as hard while dealing higher damage with non-crit attacks, but it'd have slightly less HP.

Yeah, glaive skills don't have crit increases, but what i meant was, the damage increase is not worth the loss in hp (even if its only like ~1k). As i said, i don't believe the a ~90% hyb str would have significantly higher damage than a pure str's. If it was something like <85% the damage would probably be noticeably higher.
Afaik the damage IS noticeably higher. And, the damage increase probably IS worth the HP, maybe more than worth it, if you consider that everything about magical statuses in this game is considerably higher than physical, which would mean increasing your INT would have a way bigger impact on damage than increasing your STR. And well, as this is a dual build we are talking about after all, with the HP passive from heuksal plus the defense from bicheon, you'd probably have no trouble tanking anything. Why not having considerably higher average damage then?

Another thing, Str's are usually seen as tanks, as in being able to out-tank their opponents.
Why is that relevant here? Some people have that opinion, I disagree with that, for me there's no such thing, but well this is something for another topic, not this one. And that's not relevant at all here.

EDIT: Made it easier to understand.

[Snoopy]

Might I just add: Out-tanking someone isn't winning. If you're the last one with pots. The other person, is going to get up and say "Out of pots. BRB". It doesn't look like you've won.

Thus I'd say Hybrids are better, however there's no need for glaivers to become hybrids as Raph said.