Canadian Seal Hunt 2009

[lavapockets]

There are humans dying from genocides and practically enslaved in many parts of the world, but obviously stopping the killing of some baby seals is more important.

And there are a lot of people who raise awareness about those issues. If you feel passionately about it, get involved. But just because someone is raising awareness about an issue they care about, it does NOT mean they don't care about genocide. Caring about seals and caring about people are NOT mutually exclusive. FFS you people are getting on my nerves with this shit.

You can't blame them for not seeing eye to eye with you. If you care so much sway them with you words otherwise you're not a very good activist are you?

I'm not criticizing him for not seeing eye to eye with me, I'm criticizing his false logic. I didn't mock him or anyone for their beliefs. I mocked the assertion that people who care about animal rights don't care about human rights. And I had previously responded to a comment like this. I figured the second time around I'd yell, since obviously my point didn't come across

[Blindfire]

There is nothing thats good in that picture, but I hope I shocked some people and they will sign some petitions now. You can hide this all, but that doesn't solve the problem. And yes it's Canada, it's legal to kill seals there. Other countries have forbidden it a long time ago.

First of all, only Russia, Greenland and Alaska would be able to find the seals, since they live in the Arctic. Second, it is only legal during the seal hunt. Third, that picture does not represent how it is in Canada, that is how it is for a couple weeks each year where a bunch of numbskulls prey on animals much weaker than them.

To be honest, Hostage's reason makes the most sense to me, I'd rather save tax money than seals.

As far as stop buying fish, wouldn't that just have them kill more seals because they need the money because the fish didn't sell?

[Doron]

There are humans dying from genocides and practically enslaved in many parts of the world, but obviously stopping the killing of some baby seals is more important.

Yet again it is something that the human race has done..

But it isn't just the seals that are in trouble, I agree that what these people are doing is sick. Its everything else that is going on in this world that needs to be stopped. Some time in the future, the human race would have wiped out most of the animals, which I must add have more of a right to be here then what we do. Have harvest every single tree, fished the whole of the sea.

Humans are the blame for everything.
People bitching "Oh, the world is too full with people blabla bla..." "there will be no space to live in like a brazillian years"

BUT: then when it comes to a time when the world population is FINALLY decreasing, they start bitching: "Oh, AIDS needs to be stopped, all of them diseases need to be stopped, make moar hospitals and a sammich!"

Why are we all so stupid. let them die, they can't reproduce anymore, problem solved.

Srsly, the world is better off without us all.

Don't flame me, just delivering the message, which I totally agree with, but the treuth has to be told at one point right?

[Hostage]

Normally yelling only works against you because it makes you look like an idiot who thinks talking louder makes you sound smarter.

Anyway, I've already said my piece on the matter but I will say this,"false logic" are quite hypocritical words. If he really wanted too he could just as easily say the same to you. What I'm really waiting for from you is a statement acknowledging both sides I've already read through all your post and all of them are ignorant, you focus on one thing and one thing alone, you just mask it with different wording. I get it--you feel it's inhuman that seals are skinned alive, it's a risk to there existence, etc. Like I said before though nobody's going to care if that's all you have to say because the Inuit have been living off the seal hunt before we were even born. There are so many other reason to add aswell it's just one of the obstacles in your way.

If I really wanted to I could just as easily step of to you and say; " We can't abolish the seal hunt because 6000-7000 Fishermen claim it as more then 40% of their income," so who are you to mess with their means of living. See what I mean? The world isn't as black and white as you want.

Anyway before you misunderstand my stance on the matter I'll add:

Who ever it was that quoted me before and said no matter what our government will fork over "millions" of dollars. Not true. We do lose from the hunt--it employs a mere fraction of Atlantic Canada. Like Baro said they're funded and subsidized by taxpayer money. So until we cut them off from the source and let it collapse we'll continue to lose money funding this "money-losing" industry because like I said before,it's outdated, there is no room for it to grow.

What we as a country really need to do is work on an alternative for these fishermen so not to disturb the means of life. Yet, we worry to much about the wrong thing and keep putting more and more money into the hunt. It's down right idiotic.

[zShared]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

Hi.
I'm from canada so here goes;
The seal hunt use to be an important part of our livelyhood, where I live at least.. it was how some people made money when there were no other jobs around. (Btw this is the first time I've heard of them being skinned alive)
That was back then, but this is now. I agree that it should be stopped.
Back in grade 10 we read a book called "Death on the ice".. a true story about sealers who got trapped on the ice and froze to death, back then it was a tragedy but now it would be lolable.. anyway,
Yeah I'll sign that petition, there's no need for it anymore.

At least I didn't read any comments about how inhumane and barbaric canadians are (though I might've missed it Lol), it's the people who do the seal hunt and a lot of the people here, especially younger people disagree with it I'm pretty sure.

[lavapockets]

Anyway, I've already said my piece on the matter but I will say this,"false logic" are quite hypocritical words. If he really wanted too he could just as easily say the same to you.
If I really wanted to I could just as easily step of to you and say; " We can't abolish the seal hunt because 6000-7000 Fishermen claim it as more then 40% of their income," so who are you to mess with their means of living. See what I mean? The world isn't as black and white as you want.

Explain to me how my stance is logically inconsistent though. And how someone can claim my argument is false logic. I would be interested in this analysis.

Also, from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 29714.html
"Canada's fishing industry annually exports around $3bn (£1.6bn) of seafood to the US while the seal hunt generates just $16.5m from pelt sales."
That's just $3bn in seafood to the US, that doesn't include the export to other countries.

[Hostage]

Anyway, I've already said my piece on the matter but I will say this,"false logic" are quite hypocritical words. If he really wanted too he could just as easily say the same to you.
If I really wanted to I could just as easily step of to you and say; " We can't abolish the seal hunt because 6000-7000 Fishermen claim it as more then 40% of their income," so who are you to mess with their means of living. See what I mean? The world isn't as black and white as you want.

Explain to me how my stance is logically inconsistent though. And how someone can claim my argument is false logic. I would be interested in this analysis.

Great job nit picking my post and breaking it out of context.However, I'll oblige. you claimed that him believing a human life more valuable then that of animals "hypocritical" and "false" by, and I quote:

I mocked the assertion that people who care about animal rights don't care about human rights

So what I see here is that because he doesn't uphold as strong a moral towards animals as you do he does not care about animal rights at all? Clearly he doesn't think much of you because you don't feel the same as him about human rights? Am I right? Ofcourse I am, what other reason could there be. So I'll say; I find that nothing of your logic is inconsistent, it's your wording I'm against. Basically you can't preach unless you're willing to to acknowledge your opposing side.

That's like me saying to someone who has faith in god and believes in creationism is living by false logic despite the hundreds of years that support evolution.

Also, from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 29714.html
"Canada's fishing industry annually exports around $3bn (£1.6bn) of seafood to the US while the seal hunt generates just $16.5m from pelt sales."
That's just $3bn in seafood to the US, that doesn't include the export to other countries.

This. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at unless you're answering something that you didn't quote, someone else, or I'm just having a brain fart.

@zShared.
Me either so I did a bit of digging and apparently it's not that they're alive it's there nervous system/muscles twitching that give of the illusion they're being skinned alive. Like how a chicken still flaps its wings even after being decapitated.

[wootpops]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

Hi.
I'm from canada so here goes;

im from toronto i meant northern canada not north being all of canada.

but ok.

[Majorharper]

If I EVER had to come across a guy, that killed these poor little babies... I do NOT care of the charges I would get. I would beat the living Crap out of the guy. He will get that axe shoved up his tight ass hole!

I'm a beefy guy, and I can hurt people...

Don't ever mention that in my face, I will beat the shit out of you!

Poor things



Lifeless humans that do that...


*i got a little carried away sorry

Are you going to kill everyone who wears leather as well?

Nope im not a vegie either...

[takolin]

If I EVER had to come across a guy, that killed these poor little babies... I do NOT care of the charges I would get. I would beat the living Crap out of the guy. He will get that axe shoved up his tight ass hole!

I'm a beefy guy, and I can hurt people...

Don't ever mention that in my face, I will beat the shit out of you!

Poor things



Lifeless humans that do that...


*i got a little carried away sorry

Are you going to kill everyone who wears leather as well?

Nope im not a vegie either...

So you can kill a cow or a lamb for leather but not a seal for fur. Do you see what's wrong?

[Majorharper]

Are you going to kill everyone who wears leather as well?

Nope im not a vegie either...


So you can kill a cow or a lamb for leather but not a seal for fur. Do you see what's wrong?

A seal is not mass produced and is on the berge of being an endangered species, or, please say so if I am wrong....

[lavapockets]

Great job nit picking my post and breaking it out of context.However, I'll oblige. you claimed that him believing a human life more valuable then that of animals "hypocritical" and "false" by, and I quote:

I mocked the assertion that people who care about animal rights don't care about human rights

So what I see here is that because he doesn't uphold as strong a moral towards animals as you do he does not care about animal rights at all? Clearly he doesn't think much of you because you don't feel the same as him about human rights? Am I right? Ofcourse I am, what other reason could there be. So I'll say; I find that nothing of your logic is inconsistent, it's your wording I'm against. Basically you can't preach unless you're willing to to acknowledge your opposing side.

That's like me saying to someone who has faith in god and believes in creationism is living by false logic despite the hundreds of years that support evolution.

What he did was come to the thread and imply that caring about animal rights when there are people dying is wrong. I object to that viewpoint. No one knows how I feel about humans rights, I don't think I've expressed my opinions about that here, so for anyone to imply that my level of caring about human rights is > < or = to anything is making an assumption. You can object to my wording all you want, but you ranted at everyone in the thread before I did, and I didn't even call anyone a moron.

The second part was in response to someone else who had asked about the income level.


Also, there are some animals who exhibit reflexing while they're being skinned, those are to be expected. Veterinarians from USUS and IFAW have both observed sealers not checking consciousness or bleeding seals out before they're skinned, both part of Canadian seal hunting regulations. Some of these animals are skinned alive. The percentage probably is not that high, but if the sealers were following the regulations outline to them, it would never happen.

[takolin]

Are you going to kill everyone who wears leather as well?

Nope im not a vegie either...


So you can kill a cow or a lamb for leather but not a seal for fur. Do you see what's wrong?

A seal is not mass produced and is on the berge of being an endangered species, or, please say so if I am wrong....

There are no reliable estimates of the size of Northwest Atlantic population when commercial hunting began in the early 1800s. Several simulation models estimated virginal populations to be in the 3 to 4 million range.[citation needed] It is considered that the population recovered to about 3 million at the end of World War II, but subsequently declined by 50–66% between 1950 and 1970 due to commercial hunting in Canada. Quotas and other conservation measures since then have enabled the population to nearly triple in size to 5.4 million according to a peer-reviewed survey in 1999.

5.4million is hardly extinct.

[Majorharper]

Are you going to kill everyone who wears leather as well?

Nope im not a vegie either...


So you can kill a cow or a lamb for leather but not a seal for fur. Do you see what's wrong?

A seal is not mass produced and is on the berge of being an endangered species, or, please say so if I am wrong....

There are no reliable estimates of the size of Northwest Atlantic population when commercial hunting began in the early 1800s. Several simulation models estimated virginal populations to be in the 3 to 4 million range.[citation needed] It is considered that the population recovered to about 3 million at the end of World War II, but subsequently declined by 50–66% between 1950 and 1970 due to commercial hunting in Canada. Quotas and other conservation measures since then have enabled the population to nearly triple in size to 5.4 million according to a peer-reviewed survey in 1999.

5.4million is hardly extinct.

[zShared]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

Hi.
I'm from canada so here goes;

im from toronto i meant northern canada not north being all of canada.

but ok.

I didn't say where I live did I
I live further north than toronto, and the seal hunt was a big part of our culture. Not as much anymore.

But ok.

[takolin]

Seals had a low population.
Quota's got the population back up.
Quota's still are here.
Thus the seals still aren't nearly extinct.

[R-um]

If I EVER had to come across a guy, that killed these poor little babies... I do NOT care of the charges I would get. I would beat the living Crap out of the guy. He will get that axe shoved up his tight ass hole!

I'm a beefy guy, and I can hurt people...

Don't ever mention that in my face, I will beat the shit out of you!

Poor things



Lifeless humans that do that...


*i got a little carried away sorry

we got ourselves a little internet gangsta here

anyways. why do you ppl care about some seals anyway?
ok they're cute but its the circle of life, animals were put on the earth to give us clothes and food .etc.
you're crying over seals even though you're not veggies?
just shut up

[Blindfire]

People need to realise that without the seal hunt, North Pacific cod resources will be depleted, meaning these fishermen who kill the seals get nothing. A fish boycott would be great to stop the seal hunt, I just hope you don't want any North Pacific cod anytime soon after.


To refute the argument of natural predators that I am expecting; polar bears, the predators of the Arctic, are an endangered species. That means there are not enough to control the population of the seals. If the bears can't do it, someone has to.

[R-um]

we got ourselves a little internet gangsta here

anyways. why do you ppl care about some seals anyway?
ok they're cute but its the circle of life, animals were put on the earth to give us clothes and food .etc.
you're crying over seals even though you're not veggies?
just shut up

Why you care? and tell other to shut up? whatever its a seal or not but hurting and be evil to a animal thats a no no no! So really

telling people to stop hunting animals is like trying to stop the wars, its impossible.

[Majorharper]

we got ourselves a little internet gangsta here

anyways. why do you ppl care about some seals anyway?
ok they're cute but its the circle of life, animals were put on the earth to give us clothes and food .etc.
you're crying over seals even though you're not veggies?
just shut up

Why you care? and tell other to shut up? whatever its a seal or not but hurting and be evil to a animal thats a no no no! So really

telling people to stop hunting animals is like trying to stop the wars, its impossible.

Thats true, it's impossible, but, we can make a change...

And i ain't gonna shut up just because some guy tells me too, it takes much more than that... those types of comments, keep em' to yourself, no point in saying them... waste of time for you...

[izmeister]

What he did was come to the thread and imply that caring about animal rights when there are people dying is wrong. I object to that viewpoint. No one knows how I feel about humans rights, I don't think I've expressed my opinions about that here, so for anyone to imply that my level of caring about human rights is > < or = to anything is making an assumption. You can object to my wording all you want, but you ranted at everyone in the thread before I did, and I didn't even call anyone a moron.

You claim others are making assumptions about you when you yourself are making assumptions about me? I never said that caring about animal rights is wrong, I was simply making an inference about how the media seems to care about the animals who are dying then humans who are currently dying or in slavery.

[Grimjaw]

To refute the argument of natural predators that I am expecting; polar bears, the predators of the Arctic, are an endangered species. That means there are not enough to control the population of the seals. If the bears can't do it, someone has to.

Yes because nature depends solely on polar bears to keep the seal's population in check right?

[Blindfire]

To refute the argument of natural predators that I am expecting; polar bears, the predators of the Arctic, are an endangered species. That means there are not enough to control the population of the seals. If the bears can't do it, someone has to.

Yes because nature depends solely on polar bears to keep the seal's population in check right?

There are few predators in the Arctic, the only one that comes to mind that would prey on a seal would be the Arctic Fox or the Arctic Wolf. Other than that there are mostly predatory birds. In the water there might be sharks, but they prey on the adults.

[R-um]

Thats true, it's impossible, but, we can make a change...

And i ain't gonna shut up just because some guy tells me too, it takes much more than that... those types of comments, keep em' to yourself, no point in saying them... waste of time for you...

nothing of that was pointed to you exept internetgangster blablabla.
i just think that people should stop whining over things that they cant do shit about just to get attention

[*BlackFox]

i just think that people should stop whining over things that they cant do shit about just to get attention

That's Bullshit!

[XemnasXD]

To refute the argument of natural predators that I am expecting; polar bears, the predators of the Arctic, are an endangered species. That means there are not enough to control the population of the seals. If the bears can't do it, someone has to.

Yes because nature depends solely on polar bears to keep the seal's population in check right?

There are few predators in the Arctic, the only one that comes to mind that would prey on a seal would be the Arctic Fox. Other than that there are mostly predatory birds. In the water there might be sharks, but they prey on the adults.

i think polar bears, killer whales, and arctic fox and wolves, plus other seals are the only predators of baby seals....and by the time they hit adult hood that limited to just the whales and the bears...and like he said the bears are dying off so that leaves the whales...which we are also hunting to extinction.....so i guess if we keep killing off the seals natural predators i guess we will the only things left to stop seals from over populating and eating up all the fish that we could be harvesting from the ocean....


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theres alot of things wrong with all of that....

[lavapockets]

What he did was come to the thread and imply that caring about animal rights when there are people dying is wrong. I object to that viewpoint. No one knows how I feel about humans rights, I don't think I've expressed my opinions about that here, so for anyone to imply that my level of caring about human rights is > < or = to anything is making an assumption. You can object to my wording all you want, but you ranted at everyone in the thread before I did, and I didn't even call anyone a moron.

You claim others are making assumptions about you when you yourself are making assumptions about me? I never said that caring about animal rights is wrong, I was simply making an inference about how the media seems to care about the animals who are dying then humans who are currently dying or in slavery.

I'm not the media though, and I started the thread. If you meant the media you should state that more clearly next time.

[Majorharper]

Thats true, it's impossible, but, we can make a change...

And i ain't gonna shut up just because some guy tells me too, it takes much more than that... those types of comments, keep em' to yourself, no point in saying them... waste of time for you...

nothing of that was pointed to you exept internetgangster blablabla.
i just think that people should stop whining over things that they cant do shit about just to get attention

Yo, seriously shut ur trap boy. I really don't like how you act. You thin your all "cool" because your against seal hunt? Well if you are or aren't I don't give a crap!

Just stop bothering to answer back...

I'm not whining i just hate people like you, who, barge in, and start blaming people... and accusing them...

And for attention, I don't need "internet" attention, I wasn't trying to get any either, YOU decided that... so STOP writing BULLSHIT about what YOU think others are writing!

Shut it now!

[wootpops]

I didn't say where I live did I
I live further north than toronto, and the seal hunt was a big part of our culture. Not as much anymore.

But ok.

dont Farking talk like that i just said that to tell you that i am from canada and you just didn't post saying oh yea im from the north(meaning canada). no need to mock bro.

[jeansl10]

this is all bullshit
FIRST!
THEY DO NOT KILL THOSE:

I REPEAT THEY DO NOT KILL THOSE! (its against the law)

SECOND!
yes they are skinned but they take the meat too...
in winter the hunters eat that meat...

THIRD!
the hunters have lessons on how to make the death the least painfull it can be THE SEALS DO NOT SUFFER!

the seal industry gives about 20mil to the hunters without that they are in deep shit ofr the rest of the year...

this are my thoughts flame me if you want i wont change
jeansl10