Vandalism or Art?

[Bop]

vandalism, taggin up ur block, gang, any organization is vandalism

something like this although id consider as art, something that actually has a meaning to it other than a basic word styled the fck out




although id be pissed if i woke up to any anything on my walls

[Breed]

vandalism, taggin up ur block, gang, any organization is vandalism

How do you figure that?

[Snoopy]

Vandalism is vandalism, although I honestly think that graffiti when done correctly, and doesn't look tacky is a great form of art. Besides, you can do it legally in places where people respect it and won't tag over it "Toy" because they're jealous.

[Bop]

vandalism, taggin up ur block, gang, any organization is vandalism

How do you figure that?

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i meant it as in tagging by any sort of group, whether its a company (like sony did with psp) or a street gang

[Breed]

vandalism, taggin up ur block, gang, any organization is vandalism

How do you figure that?

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i meant it as in tagging by any sort of group, whether its a company (like sony did with psp) or a street gang

Fair. What did Sony do?

[Bop]

How do you figure that?

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i meant it as in tagging by any sort of group, whether its a company (like sony did with psp) or a street gang

Fair. What did Sony do?

Seeking to market its handheld game device to hip city dwellers, Sony has hired graffiti artists in major urban areas to spray-paint buildings with simple, totemic images of kids playing with the gadget. But the guerrilla marketing gambit appears to be drawing scorn from some of the street-savvy hipsters it's striving to win over.

Coming on the heels of widely publicized news that Sony music CDs infected customers' computers with security-hole-inducing spyware, the campaign for the PlayStation Portable is being derided on the internet as an attempt to buy the credibility of street art.

In San Francisco, critics have expressed their disapproval by adding some spray paint of their own to the Sony ads. On a wall outside a beer garden in San Francisco's bohemian Mission District that caters to motorcyclists and bike messengers, someone spray-painted over every character, adding the commentary, "Advertising directed at your counter-culture."

Outside Casa Maria, a small Mission bodega, someone wrote, "Get out of my city," added the word "Fony" to the graffiti and penned a four-line ditty slamming Sony.

Other cities targeted in the campaign include New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami, according to Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith.

The advertising, based on original artwork commissioned by Sony's ad agency, features a collection of dizzy-eyed urban kids playing with the PSP as if it were a skateboard, a paddle or a rocking horse, but doesn't include the word Sony or PSP anywhere.

When asked about the criticism, Smith countered that art is subjective and that both the content and the medium dovetailed with Sony's belief that the PSP is a "disrupter product" that lets people play games, surf the internet and watch movies wherever they want.

"With PSP being a portable product, our target is what we consider to be urban nomads, people who are on the go constantly," Smith said.

Floyd Hayes, the head creative director at Cunning Work, which specializes in nontraditional marketing campaigns such as promoting a Sci-Fi Channel TV show about the Bermuda triangle through reward signs (.jpg) for a missing sock, doesn't disapprove of the campaign, though he thinks the seemingly hypnotized kids in the artwork might send the wrong message about the PSP's thrill factor.

But Hayes doesn't think Sony has crossed any lines with the faux street art. "Sony and PSP have every right to use this type of media," Hayes said. "They have done it for (a) very long time very successfully and spoke the language of the streets without being patronizing."

Piers Fawkes, who runs the IF blog that focuses on new currents in marketing, also liked the campaign.

"It's a cheeky wink toward a savvy audience who are already familiar with the product," Fawkes said. "It's reflective of modern approach to marketing. The creative classes are sick of marketing when done badly or blandly, but when it's done in (an) intelligent manner, we appreciate it."

Fawkes questioned whether the backlash was very widespread.

"I wonder if that's a San Francisco phenomenon," Fawkes said. "I know there's certain mindset there."

Sony isn't the first corporation to use graffiti and stencils to market its products. In 2001, IBM paid Chicago and San Francisco more than $120,000 in fines and clean-up costs after its advertising agency spray-painted Linux advertisements on the cities' sidewalks.

Unlike IBM, however, Sony says it's paying businesses and building owners for the right to graffiti their walls.

Casa Maria was paid $100 for two weeks' use of its wall, according to co-owner Mario Arana.

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although if Sony paid for it and the owners of the buildings agreed, there's nothing wrong with it

[Breed]

Thats sick.

It's nice to see large corporations embracing street art messaging.

[takolin]

If it's done well graffiti looks great and can be considered art.

But without permission of a town you can't spray wall and thus it'll be vandalism.

Conclusion: it's pretty, if done well, vandalism.

[inky]

Thats sick.

It's nice to see large corporations embracing street art messaging.

That's not graffiti. That's advertisement.

[Grimjaw]

Its vandalism. Art makes you think or feel emotion. That's just copying the same patterns all the other graffiti thugs do.

Different style of art.

[kabuki]

technically it's vandalism but I see it as art 99.99% of the time.

my all time favorite graffiti artist:

Spoiler!

I also went to the abandoned hospital in Presidio (SF) couple years ago (before demolition) which is known to have a lot of graffiti and other 'art'. unfortunately they bolted up the windows so we could not get inside

Spoiler!

[Breed]

Thats sick.

It's nice to see large corporations embracing street art messaging.

That's not graffiti. That's advertisement.

In one way, yes.
But I didnt say it was nice to see sony getting up, I was more getting at they were spreading their message in a different way, one in wich a street artist does.

[DistortedMind]

thats Sick PRetty god damn awsom =D

yeah were i live theres theese taggers (youth taggers) they just tag your mum all over the walls Lol

[Midori]

Vandalism isn't the opposite of art. Art can be anything.

[Grimjaw]

Vandalism isn't the opposite of art. Art can be anything.

Exactly. Art is open for interpretation. Whether reception is positive depends on the viewers and their differences in tastes, that's probably why there are so many types of art in the first place.

[Priam]

Name tagging is shit.

Actual graffiti is pure art.

Banksy is indeed a great example of that. Banksy is more of a story to, as nobody knows whom he actually is, and he exploits that. Using stencils, but amazing.

[XemnasXD]

oh banksy....what a guy he is...

*dreamy sigh*

[Kirkaldi]

Vandalism, people that do graffiti on property that belongs to other people think they are cool and in the hood. I mean like, wtf is that?

[AkillerNXC]

Question: To those who said it's not art, and it's "copying every other graphic thug", would you be able to do it?

My opinion: It's both, it's simply artistic vandalism. Legally, it's vandalism. Personally, I'd consider it art. However, I wouldn't want my own car/house tagged. I enjoy looking at the bridges and walls, etc that are owned by the city though. Bleak, boring things owned by the city/state/federal government are something I enjoy to see tagged.

[John_Doe]

Its vandalism. Art makes you think or feel emotion. That's just copying the same patterns all the other graffiti thugs do.

you have a very shitty definition of art. I feel nothing when i look at the Mona Lisa....to me it might as well be a photograph of some ugly old lady i'll never know or care about like the millions of others out there but its value is considered priceless and it is an established work of art...

that being said i think those guys are committing vandalism but i don't think all graffiti is vandalism...


Banksy....look it up if you want to see real street art....

You sir are full of BS, anyones whos truely looked and studied the Mona Lisa will know its more then a "photograph of some ugly old lady."

[Breed]

Vandalism, people that do graffiti on property that belongs to other people think they are cool and in the hood. I mean like, wtf is that?

It's love for their art, you dont know alot about graffiti so i wouldnt be talking about their motives. If you think they do it to be "cool in the hood" your 50% right, because 50% of graff is done by gimps, otherwise, your just as ignorant as the next person whos never been in any graff scene.

Its vandalism. Art makes you think or feel emotion. That's just copying the same patterns all the other graffiti thugs do.

you have a very shitty definition of art. I feel nothing when i look at the Mona Lisa....to me it might as well be a photograph of some ugly old lady i'll never know or care about like the millions of others out there but its value is considered priceless and it is an established work of art...

that being said i think those guys are committing vandalism but i don't think all graffiti is vandalism...


Banksy....look it up if you want to see real street art....

You sir are full of BS, anyones whos truely looked and studied the Mona Lisa will know its more then a "photograph of some ugly old lady."

I'm pretty sure he's just getting at the fact that not everyone thinks that the Mona Lisa is an esteemed work of art, just as many others dont think that graffiti is artistic.
Each to their own.

[asusi]

oh damm so goood.... im stuned
so nice jobb!!

[Rival]

Yea its an art we are doing with a frieds taks like this

"gold bots noobs" "gold bots dont have balls" etc

[blackfalcon]

didnt feellike reading all the posts so i dont know if its been said already... but i thinkits art. theres a difference between graffiti and tagging.

graffiti:



and then tagging:

[Holo]

didnt feellike reading all the posts so i dont know if its been said already... but i thinkits art. theres a difference between graffiti and tagging.

graffiti:



and then tagging:

You have these mixed up.

[Breed]

You have these mixed up.

He does in the sense that the first pictures are "tags"
But apart from that he's right in saying that the "tags" (those ones) are graffiti (as in vandalism)

[blackfalcon]

You have these mixed up.

He does in the sense that the first pictures are "tags"
But apart from that he's right in saying that the "tags" (those ones) are graffiti (as in vandalism)

ya i mixed up the pictures lol