BOT PVPers

[Quetzalcoatl]

Those videos make it look as if its necessary.

Here is a video of some one just using the simple mouse and keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNl3AoEQETo

Nice and slow......

[Fermions]

i have a Logitech G15 keyboard and set macros for imbue and skills, and i can have skills on other sets and it will use them and switch back to my main set of skills...i dont think this is cheating, i purchased the keyboard and used it the way its intended. I also use it to enter my ID and PW for SRO, just double click to open sro, once animation starts, 1 button to bring up image code. i love it

Haha... you8 better not press that key by mistake when you're chatting in SRO ...

lol, i actually never thought of that, not a big deal tho, i could change it very fast. perhaps i will switch them to a different macro set for safety

[RedBlueGreen]

i have a Logitech G15 keyboard and set macros for imbue and skills, and i can have skills on other sets and it will use them and switch back to my main set of skills...i dont think this is cheating, i purchased the keyboard and used it the way its intended. I also use it to enter my ID and PW for SRO, just double click to open sro, once animation starts, 1 button to bring up image code. i love it

Haha... you8 better not press that key by mistake when you're chatting in SRO ...

lol, i actually never thought of that, not a big deal tho, i could change it very fast. perhaps i will switch them to a different macro set for safety

it takes me 1 second to type my ID/PASS then press enter.. dont see why u need a macro... with the risk of pressing it ingame while chatting.

[penfold1992]

1. s/s with no weap skills is not a easy build.
u cant outcase wizzies, cant kill GOOD warlocks, xbow is too long range, blader heals in time (so can some glaviers) and warriors or any other buffed euro rapes. try it.

2. using a macro is cheating, whether its pvp grinding or whatever. its not how the GAME wants you to play (macro for buff is an exception, it doesnt help you out at all)

[BuDo]

I just wanted all the BOT duellers (macro users while pvping) to recognize how they won. No I'm not jealous of you..If I was I would go down the street and get me a macro capable keyboard. Just recognize that it does give an advantage because the macro doesn't skip a beat.

Switching between multiple weapons/skills manually actually takes some skill...The kinda skill that some people don't have the patience for....so they use a macro to do it instead.

If you are physically handicapped I can understand. Its the mentally handicapped ones I'm pointing out. They feel the need to get their hands on every and any possible advantage in order to win. Which is why, in this case, I find it pathetic..

[Amro]

omfg botting till 90 -> watching it
pvping with macro -> watching it
so why do these people play? >.<

[Toshiharu]

omfg botting till 90 -> watching it
pvping with macro -> watching it
so why do these people play? >.<

To have a bigger e-penis, duh.

[RedBlueGreen]

1. s/s with no weap skills is not a easy build.
u cant outcase wizzies, cant kill GOOD warlocks, xbow is too long range, blader heals in time (so can some glaviers) and warriors or any other buffed euro rapes. try it.

2. using a macro is cheating, whether its pvp grinding or whatever. its not how the GAME wants you to play (macro for buff is an exception, it doesnt help you out at all)

they mean pure force nukers are a easy build because u only have to press 1 2 3 and maybe 4.

i dont use a macro, BUT i dont see how it is cheating.

iv never used or seen how a macro works, but im guessing its when u press one button and it types some thing that u set it to type. If you can set it on a timer to press 1 2 3 4 for you and u only have to click on the mob.. i guess thats just like botting.
If so i take back my first opinion about it and agree with you, it is cheating.

[NuclearSilo]

Ppl sometime confuse the definition of cheating vs advantage.
They share the common rule but they are not the same.
Cheat = break rule
advantage = Silk, premium, better graphic card, good internet connection, no delay, better hardware, etc...

[Glavie's Girl]

I use a mouse macro that allows me to press the two side buttons as if I was pressing "9" and "0" on the keyboard. Does that make me a cheater? lol

[slimshady]

I use a mouse macro that allows me to press the two side buttons as if I was pressing "9" and "0" on the keyboard. Does that make me a cheater? lol

probably since its not a standard mouse

[EvGa]

1. s/s with no weap skills is not a easy build.
u cant outcase wizzies, cant kill GOOD warlocks, xbow is too long range, blader heals in time (so can some glaviers) and warriors or any other buffed euro rapes. try it.

2. using a macro is cheating, whether its pvp grinding or whatever. its not how the GAME wants you to play (macro for buff is an exception, it doesnt help you out at all)

they mean pure force nukers are a easy build because u only have to press 1 2 3 and maybe 4.

i dont use a macro, BUT i dont see how it is cheating.

iv never used or seen how a macro works, but im guessing its when u press one button and it types some thing that u set it to type. If you can set it on a timer to press 1 2 3 4 for you and u only have to click on the mob.. i guess thats just like botting.
If so i take back my first opinion about it and agree with you, it is cheating.

Mmm, I don't use macros for pvp (easier to do by hand), but I do use them to grind sometimes. I don't see how having a macro press 1-2-3 for you is botting? You still have to be at the pc..you have to press the macro..you have to click the mob.. you have to repot.. you have to run to your grind spot/party.. you have to stop the macro to chat.. etc. I use them to grind, maybe it will prolong the inevitable carpal tunnel. lol. I paid $80 for this G15 "gaming" keyboard, and I use it to game.

I also have a Razer Diamondback mouse that can do macros. I've never taken the time to set any up though.

/death of thread.

[VforVendetta]

So they buy silk for a game and company that they hate.
So that they can watch their bot level for them.
So that they can buy gold for a character they will never use.
So that they can buy sosun for a character they will just watch
So that they can bot while pvping and never actually even touch the game once.

And I am called sad by botters for playing 3 hours a day while they watch their bot 24/7?

[BuDo]

I don't consider using it for other stuff as cheating..but thats from my point of view...Not sure what joymax's stance on the matter is...I only think that using it to duel a char that has skills from 3 classes is underhanded...kinda lowly..

For dueling I just think that whatever is allowable and sits inside the game mechanics is fair play...using something outside the game mechanics (keyboard macros)to win duels is just lame..

[Taelys]

Good players don't need any addon to the game bot nor script nor macro.

When you level up your character you learn how to deal with new skills and how to switch easily between skills and weapons and at what moment you need a switch.

There was a discussion lately in union about the use of macros and self made scripts. Some players make the scripts themselves so it is legit but the same script is on sale on bot selling forums. Perhaps they wrote it, perhaps they bought one, perhaps they looked at the code and rewrote it, who knows. But they use bot methods, I don't feel scripts nor macros as legit.

For JM's view, if you refer to the official forum using a script or macro is a ban like using a bot. The same for abusing an exploit according to the TOS you are supposed to send a mail to JM not using it in game, it's not tolerated.

[Shin'kensei]

i dont use a macro, BUT i dont see how it is cheating.

Some players make the scripts themselves so it is legit

A 3rd party program is a 3rd party program and that's it. If you make it yourself or not it doesn't change anything. You sound like you're finding an excuse to bot in a legit way seriously: "I made it myself so it's legit", no it isn't.

Any kind of 3rd party programs are illegit. It's the definition of legit itself: not using 3rd party programs, and that's it. If you're not happy with it, don't play.

[Taelys]

I expressed myself wrong...

Some players made scripts and macros in union and they told me it's legit.... Their guild left the union because there was a bot discovered in another guild and I didn't kick the whole guild immediately. But in their own guild they use macros and scripts.... self designed or bought from a bot website I don't know.

I don't like it. Bots and macros and scripts are just excuses for lazy players. I'm not using such stuff anyways, my good old "fingerspitsengefühl" bot is enough (means using my fingers)

[zShared]

I've been accused of using macros and so has my friend but in reality it just takes practice to be good at weapon switching or using skills quickly.

ISRO is not a good for macroing while PvPing because theres a teeny tiny delay when switching bars or weapons too quick which causes the client to sometimes not respond to key-presses which in turn means that the macro sequence will not work. I know this because I used to have a G15 keyboard about 2 years ago and I tried setting up macros, but ultimately gave up because timing the key-presses is close to impossible when you have other variables to deal with (like lag).

But yeah, I agree that you shouldn't assume someone is using macros simply because they can weapon-switch quickly. I mean, unless they tell you they're using macros.

+1, you can't tell for sure if they are or not unless you SEE it in a video or they tell you. I've been accused of it on my quad weapon warrior / cleric, even in globals from some german rofl.
"macro noob 100% perfekt switch IMPOSSIBLE"

Yes it is very noob to use in PvP. But you shouldn't accuse someone unless you KNOW. I doubt a lot of people do it anyway, don't understand how it could be fun.. playing a quadweapon build is intense once you master it.

[Taelys]

If you don't use it, you see it. It's as clear as using the invisibility hack. I just have to take a closer look at a player and I see a script running or not.
It's as clear as a non bot player recognizing a bot using player.
Look at the repetitive pattern the same spells returning in the same order, look at the weapon switch. A normal player needs 2 clicks for switching a weapon and launching a spell, a script user one. Weapon switch occurs in the last half of a spell and after the switch there is a delay before you are able to cast a spell..... Scripts users do it in one movement, not two.

[Shin'kensei]

If you don't use it, you see it. It's as clear as using the invisibility hack. I just have to take a closer look at a player and I see a script running or not.
It's as clear as a non bot player recognizing a bot using player.

Hmph there's people who switch weapons so fast you can barely do anything. I've played a dual glavie/blade on ecsro (didn't bother going after lvl 30) and I can safely say that if you know when to switch your weapon, because there's a moment for it, you'll switch extremely fast and no one will able to tell if you're using a macro or not. It just takes practice, that most people don't have. So no, you can't accuse a player like that. You can't know for the invisibility hack either, there's an ALT code in game that triggers it without the need of any 3rd party programs (never had the chance to test it yet, but it was discussed in the Confed's forums). Recognizing a macroer never was as easy as recognizing a botter, that's just a lame comparison. I believe you need to PvP more before doing such statements.

[Taelys]

Weapon switch is possible in the last half of the previous spell and after switching you have to launch a new skill and it gives a delay compared to script users.

Some builds are very nice like lock/warrior/cleric because the shield trash fits so good between both weapons but it is one of the rare movements allowing a smoot switching.

You can't switch from a cleric to a wizzard without a little delay. Players doing it are using a script. Just try to switch from cleric rod to wizzard staff you have to wait the second half of a spell before your weapon switches.

Now for your switch of glavie to blader you have to re equip a blade and shield in the second half of the previous spell and recast.... it's reequiping two items and recast in very small time.

[zShared]

Weapon switch is possible in the last half of the previous spell and after switching you have to launch a new skill and it gives a delay compared to script users.

Some builds are very nice like lock/warrior because the shield trash fits so good between both weapons but it is one of the rare movements allowing a smoot switching.

You can't switch from a cleric to a wizzard without a little delay. Players doing it are using a script. Just try to switch from cleric rod to wizzard staff you have to wait the second half of a spell before your weapon switches.

Now for your switch of glavie to blader you have to re equip a blade and shield in the second half of the previous spell and recast.... it's reequiping two items and recast in very slow time.

Erm. You do realize that a macro just makes you press keys really fast, right? It doesn't effect the time silkroad actually takes to switch to a different weapon. It's impossible to tell unless they admit it or post a video on a site like youtube.

[Shin'kensei]

Weapon switch is possible in the last half of the previous spell and after switching you have to launch a new skill and it gives a delay compared to script users.

See, you need more PvP training. It's not during the last half of the last spell. It changes depending the skill. There's a reason why, as a blader, I prefered to use the 4 combo skill at lvl 28+ first instead of the 5 combo one, it's that the transation to the next skill is much easier with the 4 combo. Same for weapon switching. 4 combo > switch to glaive > petal spear is awsome.

Anyways the point -again- is, you can't tell if a player has a macro or not by watching his awsomeness at PvP. Unless you are planning on accusing all the pros around here for macroing.

And besides, the macro doesn't kill the time between weapon switching, so your argument is totaly flawed.

[Taelys]

Scripts allow you an immediate switch.

When you push the f2 key the weapon is automatically changed. So if you are a glavie and push f2 you automatically are equipped with blade and shield and casted the skill you wanted.

[_MvP_]

I use a mouse macro that allows me to press the two side buttons as if I was pressing "9" and "0" on the keyboard. Does that make me a cheater? lol

What mouse you use ?

[Ragnorak]

i dont use a macro, BUT i dont see how it is cheating.

Some players make the scripts themselves so it is legit

A 3rd party program is a 3rd party program and that's it. If you make it yourself or not it doesn't change anything. You sound like you're finding an excuse to bot in a legit way seriously: "I made it myself so it's legit", no it isn't.

Any kind of 3rd party programs are illegit. It's the definition of legit itself: not using 3rd party programs, and that's it. If you're not happy with it, don't play.

I haven't been legit since day 1 then...I use a 3rd party program name Fraps to record woot.

[Taelys]

Hey lol soon venusians will start here.

For me any program NOT altering the game is good. If ya wanna see your chinese tiger girl nude by using a program just do it. If ya wanna it see snowing in don caves its ok. If you wanna use pk2 edit for spotting rogues and wizzies, it's not.

[Shin'kensei]

Scripts allow you an immediate switch.

When you push the f2 key the weapon is automatically changed. So if you are a glavie and push f2 you automatically are equipped with blade and shield and able to cast a skill.

Well, you sure seem to know a lot about macros, don't you?

I just told you that a skilled player can do the same thing (and explained why) and that it's technically impossible to kill the switch time between skills, but apparently my argument and the other guy's argument count for shit, you just go on with the same idea.

If you don't know how to play (because apparently, you certainly don't) instead of comming on the forums and posting ignorant ideas about weapon switching, try pressing ALT + F4 on all your windows, it's an awesome cheat

Hey lol soon venusians will start here.

Thanks to you, this thread is now officialy a venus thread. Tyvm.

Some people should get spanked, seriously.

[Taelys]

It's possible with a macro to reequip both shield and cleric rod at the same time. And one of the most used builds with macros are clerics, lol.

[BuDo]

For all the members who are saying you cant tell when someone is using a macro and that the switching time isn't any faster when using one...You're partially right..The switching time isn't any faster but the accuracy with how the player switches reveals that he/she is using a macro...I don't care how skilled you are... you will never be as consistent as a macro..and thats how you're macro-ing is revealed.....especially when someone has a quad build..