warrior subclass - warlock / cleric [ pvp build ]

[LastProfet]

warlock or cleric ? i will take 1h,2h,axe skills if that counts..the farm isnt a problem...pros and cons ... no post like "choose warlock" or "cleric ftw" .. only messages with pro , cons..infos about the build.thx

[LillDev!l]

I have a warrior cleric myself, its total rape in pvp =]
The healing you can use is just all you need to keep yourself alive, you wont need bless or skins if you know how to play it.

Warlock is pure overkill against builds who dont have cleric sub... the pill bug still sucks atm though.
the damage you can do when you debuffed your enemy is a real lot higher, you just die a lot easier if your enemy gets a few hits.
Warlock also still has the sleep bug though, they put that skull thing on you and sleep, and its like a 15-20 second stun ^^

I personaly just love warrior cleric, coz i win vs +9 glaviers, sun glaviers, basicly anyone exept for good s/s nukers or bowers with sick gear in just +4 light armor, with a +7 2hand with 0% phy and 22% phy reinf / cri 10 ^^ (and if you really having a hard time you can always use bless and skins ^^)

[Ragnorak]

I have a warrior cleric myself, its total rape in pvp =]
The healing you can use is just all you need to keep yourself alive, you wont need bless or skins if you know how to play it.

Warlock is pure overkill against builds who dont have cleric sub... the pill bug still sucks atm though.
the damage you can do when you debuffed your enemy is a real lot higher, you just die a lot easier if your enemy gets a few hits.
Warlock also still has the sleep bug though, they put that skull thing on you and sleep, and its like a 15-20 second stun ^^

I personaly just love warrior cleric, coz i win vs +9 glaviers, sun glaviers, basicly anyone exept for good s/s nukers or bowers with sick gear in just +4 light armor, with a +7 2hand with 0% phy and 22% phy reinf / cri 10 ^^ (and if you really having a hard time you can always use bless and skins ^^)

ohh...what lvl warrior are we talking about here....I sold my +7 glavie and one of my +6 rings...but I still don't think a warrior/cleric can kill me....I log in my glavier about 2 weeks ago to pvp.... I still don't find warrior/clerics difficult at all...even those that have P+....if your warrior is 88+ send me a msg...i'll be sure to test him xD

[The Furious Ninja]

had a 54 warrior/cleric and a current 42 warrior/lock i have to say the warlock more suits me

this is also from 1st hand observation and observation on from higher lvl pvp on other characters

now cleric has the advantage in alot of places thats not really the debate but to me lock is more fun then cleric was. But still sprint assualt or sheild bash a sub cleric who is trying to bless they don't get bless they are still just as dead, alot of sub clerics i fight tend to rely on their cleric which well time knocks can greatly take away their added defense of their sub

I for one always have 1 handed equipped, i can still beat sub cleric 2 handers most of the time, actually its other sublocks and main locks that tend to be the biggest problem cause for some reason even with disease my stun almost always fails and they seam to always stun me with out fail

Of course if like ksro holy word gets reduced to 50% at 100 cap then sub lock wont' be as disadvantaged as they are now, if we're lucky of course but joymax hates the international users.

Cleric
Pros:
Recovery division, holy word, bless, healing cycle/orbit, over heal
Heal over time helps over come the potion delay,
Healing cycle/orbit helps you heal even more so and for a while after you use it so you can switch back and not have to fear dying much
Holy word means you're almost status immune
Bless timed in with our iron/ mana skin means you've got a uber high defense that like throwing on full sos for 45 seconds, combined with our already increased rate of healing
Overheal, Pesky wizard/clerics? Fear not 1 or 2 over heals should get the job done, absolute damage ignores defense so you can blast out close to pure int hp dmg right thru bless, if they have life control on their basicly going down
Cons:
Umm hmm snow sheild is typically annoying, but since you can tank thru it its not a big deal, where as a sub lock wouldn't have to wait, still you can kill thru it if you use your skills right with either sub
(really stretching for cons here, can't think of any real major cons)
Lower offense then sub lock
Weeapon switching, you better find a good set up for you bars if you hope to have good weapon switching combos, or get hard core with 1 hander alone like me, alot of sub clerics want to inflict bleed and dull before switching to 2 hander, while you're extra defense certainlly allows for this, to me it just seams like too much of a pain in the ass to find a good way for my skill bars

Warlock
Pros:
In my opinion more fun, debuffs, 2 ways to stun, sleep, life drain, reflect
With both sprint assualt and stun from warlock you have 2 ways to stun,
Debuffs, nothing like crippling your enemy before dealing a vicious combo attack thats dealing more damage then a nuker would
Debuffs again, even if they got holy word you can still throw on wheel bind (panic status) to make their potions heal for less, and increase potion delay, that alone can give you the upper edge
Debuffs more so, not only do you deal more damage to your enemy they deal less damage back at you, combined with vampire touch can be a real help tanking them, but most fights shouldn't last that long for you to need to rely on life drain but it is good to knock back till dull then switch lock vampire touch for a bit of hp and and disease status on them
Sleep, plus hidden equal about 15 second of sleep regardless if they get hit, which is more then enough time to fully debuff them and start wailing on them with your sword
Reflect, nothing like watching an enemy kill themselves, can't really argue with the extra damage going back at them either

Weapon switching, you must get good at it, but sub 1h lock has it alot easier then 3 weapon cleric

Less need for other weapons, where as a sub cleric finds themselves needing more combos to be effective killers in pvp it is simplified as a sub lock, who needs axes to inflict bleed when you can just get a warlock skill to do it for you (just keep it a few lvls below so the mp isn't overwhealming)

Cons:
When soloing you are at danger, where as a sub cleric is almost impervious to any thing mobs around his level can throw at him, You're also mortal in normal pvp as well if you're not as quick on the reflexes and lags will kill you more then sub cleric. But if you time your knock backs right you can stop your enemy from bless or snow shield even, of course a good sub cleric can do the same thing, it just seams more vital with sub lock. Not saying you're cannon fodder far from it but you can't go and lure 20 mobs on you with out skin and expect to survive like the cleric could

15 second potion delay, this isn't really a con for clerics but sub locks gota live with it, or die, you know that works too


my opinion if you get sub lock you won't need 2 hander or axes so much, but if you get cleric 2 hander is a perfect companion since bless/skins almost all the time make up for no sheild.

edit:

warlock pro

Kill bots by debuffing and luring, and kill power levels by using mirage to de-agrro yourself

cleric con

You can't debuff bots near your grind area and watch them die

[LastProfet]

what about a warrior/lock pvp against warrior/cleric ? i saw only 1 of this...warlock won but he has sosun +7 2h .. so i dnt think its fair...both with same + on set , wep and same blues ..

[The Furious Ninja]

what about a warrior/lock pvp against warrior/cleric ? i saw only 1 of this...warlock won but he has sosun +7 2h .. so i dnt think its fair...both with same + on set , wep and same blues ..

goes either way depending on the players

the biggest down side to sub clerics is most of them rely too heavily on their sub cleric and if you time your knocks right they almost might as well not have a sub class the way too many people play it

[LastProfet]

i'd choose warlock now ... its look cooler...but when i think of cleric buffs...huh....idk..come1

[JustOnePlz]

its a tough choice, both have definate positives, and i agree you shouldnt rely alot on you sub class, its called a MAIN class for a reason! i have warrior/cleric and have fought warrior/locks, and it was a long fight, victories varying, its all player skill related and luck, how fast you can switch weapons, did you switch to late? to soon? its more about how you want to be seen, warlock is obviously seen as evil and evil is kinda cool, cleric is more the holy hunter, for party sake id say cleric is more helpful and ppl would be willing to have you around more, warlock just seems more solo based and euros more times than not suceed in party hunting, warrior/cleric for more use////warrior/warlock for more badass appeal but not so helpful amongst friends, hope that helps.

[LastProfet]

i think i will choose cleric then..i want to be a tanker..a big one

[dorkus]

warrior warlocks can usually win vs. ppl who do not have holy spell. plus the str warlock loses the power of hios DOTs and other magical damage skills.

warrior cleric has a good chance of winning against any build, especially in robes. and he has the advantage of overhealings on cleric side which are the best absolute dmg skills in the game.

thats my thoughts... i dont feel like typing a long winded explanation.

[LillDev!l]

I have a warrior cleric myself, its total rape in pvp =]
The healing you can use is just all you need to keep yourself alive, you wont need bless or skins if you know how to play it.

Warlock is pure overkill against builds who dont have cleric sub... the pill bug still sucks atm though.
the damage you can do when you debuffed your enemy is a real lot higher, you just die a lot easier if your enemy gets a few hits.
Warlock also still has the sleep bug though, they put that skull thing on you and sleep, and its like a 15-20 second stun ^^

I personaly just love warrior cleric, coz i win vs +9 glaviers, sun glaviers, basicly anyone exept for good s/s nukers or bowers with sick gear in just +4 light armor, with a +7 2hand with 0% phy and 22% phy reinf / cri 10 ^^ (and if you really having a hard time you can always use bless and skins ^^)

ohh...what lvl warrior are we talking about here....I sold my +7 glavie and one of my +6 rings...but I still don't think a warrior/cleric can kill me....I log in my glavier about 2 weeks ago to pvp.... I still don't find warrior/clerics difficult at all...even those that have P+....if your warrior is 88+ send me a msg...i'll be sure to test him xD

Last two times i pvp ed you on NiKiMaRa i won
And that was before i +5 ed his gear, his whole set was only +4, his 2hand was +7 0% phy 21% phy renf.
I dont really play on troy anymore though

[LastProfet]

ok thx all ... i will do a warrior/cleric

[rozzaa]

if you want a pvp char choose the warror/cleric

[Gimpdog]

if you want a pvp char choose the warror/cleric

what about when that 1h/lock that was 10lvs lower pwned u like 3 times? lol
i would say 1h/lock for pvp as u can debuff the shiz outa them then kb when they attack and then pwn them with 1h while they can hardly use any attacks

[Sylus]

warrior warlocks can usually win vs. ppl who do not have holy spell. plus the str warlock loses the power of hios DOTs and other magical damage skills.

warrior cleric has a good chance of winning against any build, especially in robes. and he has the advantage of overhealings on cleric side which are the best absolute dmg skills in the game.

thats my thoughts... i dont feel like typing a long winded explanation.

Str war/lock dont get DoT...they just get debuffs and sleep/stun

[Bobby]

warrior warlocks can usually win vs. ppl who do not have holy spell. plus the str warlock loses the power of hios DOTs and other magical damage skills.

warrior cleric has a good chance of winning against any build, especially in robes. and he has the advantage of overhealings on cleric side which are the best absolute dmg skills in the game.

thats my thoughts... i dont feel like typing a long winded explanation.

Str war/lock dont get DoT...they just get debuffs and sleep/stun

U occasionally see them DoT for statuses but yea, they don't really use them



Both warrior/warlock and warrior/cleric are great pvp chars. Warrior/warlock has a pretty easy time beating anyone without holy word on, but have a lot of trouble against warrior/clerics, rogue/clerics..etc. Warrior/cleric has to work a little harder to get its kills but can kill pretty much all builds. They tend to lose against s/s nukers a bit but other than that, they're definitely one of the stronger builds right now and probably for a long time.

BTW, does anyone know if holy word got dropped to 50%. I haven't been on my euro to check it cos ive been busy.