Warrior / Rogue questions.

[panterr]

Hi
thanks for ticking my post.
I've got a few questions about a warrior/rogue

1# Should i wear HA or LA? (also tell me why)
2# Should i take Dual axe skills?
3# Should i take 1h Skills?

[REBD]

1) depending on what you want to do and your level. I would go with LA
2) DA is cool, it has advantages but it is mostly for PvP and solo grind, so it is your choice
3) 1h skills are what makes you a good tank. No 1h skills is lame tank


Now I want to ask you one question, why rogue/warrior ?

[panterr]

its a Pure character. Pure attack,
since warrior can tank very well.
For the Partyplay:
As pure str. you've got nothing to do with cleric skills.
The only thing is maybe recovery division. Go in a party and you've got it too.
You're a warrior, so you cant buff others since you need a 2h, and (almost) none of the cleric skills last when you switch to 2h/1h/DA

[REBD]

Ok, lets say that I agree with you that in parties cleric is useless for a warrior.

Once you hit the cap, fully farmed, what will you do?PvP is out of question as people will rape you dry, FW is possible but a sub is very important there, plvl is hard when not cleric as you can't res, what is left ?

[panterr]

in pvp people will rape me dry ?
why?
give me the reason please.
Edit:sorry , but about the plvling is bullshit. enough wizz/bards give plvl, and people still join, same story with rogue/bard.

[REBD]

hey stay calm, I am simply giving my opinion.

1) In PvP:
-warlock -> debuffs, sleep, .... you dead in 90% of the PvP
-warrior/cleric -> you die in 99.99% of the PvP
-warrior/warlock -> same as warrior/cleric
-rogue/cleric -> same as warrior
-rogue/bard -> 50:50
-wizzard -> lets say 50:50

-any chinese -> more than 95% chances to die.

2) For plvl:
- first of all, people that can't res are shitty plvlers, only an idiot would pay for a plvl like that. No matter how good you are, most plvl spots are NOT safe.
- you can plvl for free, that is true

and remember to stay calm, I am giving my opinion.

[panterr]

I am calm...
But just dont udnerstand why i've got a 5% change in pvp.
I'd like to have that explained..

[REBD]

simple as that:

cleric gives defensive boost
warlock offensive boost

warrior/rogue is just a warrior or a rogue. You lose both ways, you can only win by luck and if the guy you fight cant use his build.

[panterr]

you can win, if you know how to play right (imo)
use the KD, KB, stun etc. at the right times.
i'll go try it out, and go max both tree's

[REBD]

you can win, if you know how to play right (imo)
use the KD, KB, stun etc. at the right times.
i'll go try it out, and go max both tree's

your choice

[Jaapii]

Lol there are 2 sections u could post in.. Character & Skills and Questions & Answers and still u pick the wrong one lol

[panterr]

i know it lol
i had opened 1 tab with C&S and 1 with G&T..
just picked the wrong one, and dont know how to move it, if i'm able to.

[Jekman]

Hi
thanks for ticking my post.
I've got a few questions about a warrior/rogue

1# Should i wear HA or LA? (also tell me why)
2# Should i take Dual axe skills?
3# Should i take 1h Skills?

1. You should do just fine in either of them.
2. DA is not necessary. You'll need 2h sword for KD and daggers for Mortal Wounds so that's already two weapons. 1h sword and crossbow will be more useful than DA, imo.
3. Depends. I myself took them but I had to give up crossbow skills.

There's a video of a Warrior/Rogue PvP somewhere and while PvP videos are biased most of the time, I think it's possible to do better than what the other guy was saying.

[REBD]

There's a video of a Warrior/Rogue PvP somewhere and while PvP videos are biased most of the time, I think it's possible to do better than what the other guy was saying.

The other guy has his opinion based on what he sees, reeds and has done. At lower levels it does work well, I've had a warrior that was doing very well against all with no sub, and I have a rogue/bard that does very well in CTF. It is all about opinions and ours are different.

[Jekman]

Yup.

I was a level 70 Warrior/Rogue before I switched to Warlock though and I don't see any reason why that build would suddenly suck against other builds in higher levels. DD + Mortal Wounds (which tends to crit a lot) on a KD'd opponent should still hurt more than almost any physical attack in the game.

[weymouthhall]

hey stay calm, I am simply giving my opinion.

1) In PvP:
-warlock -> debuffs, sleep, .... you dead in 90% of the PvP
-warrior/cleric -> you die in 99.99% of the PvP
-warrior/warlock -> same as warrior/cleric
-rogue/cleric -> same as warrior
-rogue/bard -> 50:50
-wizzard -> lets say 50:50

-any chinese -> more than 95% chances to die.

2) For plvl:
- first of all, people that can't res are shitty plvlers, only an idiot would pay for a plvl like that. No matter how good you are, most plvl spots are NOT safe.
- you can plvl for free, that is true

and remember to stay calm, I am giving my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHC4sUW8Ij4
LOL at 99.99% losing chance and 95%losing chance

[REBD]

No offense but it does not change my opinion.

[panterr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHC4sUW8Ij4
LOL at 99.99% losing chance and 95%losing chance

thanx. i was looking for that
So should i just go for it and do:
cap 100 1h/2h/dagger/xbow
or should i just go cleric.. like some other guys said?

[Shadowfox542]

why warrior KD....it's glitched, the xbow one is not.

Also, you will get raped in PvP. 15 second pot delay means that a blader will KD spam you for 45 seconds until skins end, then kill you with 1-2 KD's.

I am a rogue/cleric by the way.

Thanks to glory armor passives, the phys/mag buffs, and healing cycle I can tank nearly anything. Infact, I have yet to find a person that killed me when I was heal tanking in a 1v1*. Once your 45 seconds of skins are up, you're done for. Also, warrior KD is glitched.

You KD him
Throw up DD
Suddenly, you die.

Doesn't take much when you have 25% of your original defense.


Warrior doesn't offer anything that can be used WITH rogue at THE SAME TIME. The KD is helpful, but is glitched. Hurricane shot already has KD, but just takes slightly longer to cast.

Heal tanking will save your life all the time. Warrior you can tank for 45 seconds, heal tanking you can tank forever, and with bless you can stop healing and attack.

The only reason I would be a warrior of rogue is party buffs, but rogue doesn't help with that.

Warrior's job is to keep the party alive, if you switch weapons the buffs vanish. If your party dies, you cannot ress them.

tl;dr: Take cleric, either rogue/cleric or warrior/cleric.

*raptor1 hit me with a triple crit (Daredevil, turn rising) from a sun 2H, other than that no one.

[Jekman]

weymouthall's video should be enough proof that you won't be getting raped like a defenseless quadriplegic geriatric w/ Down Syndrome. PvP theories, like a Blader KDing you to death, often fail to take into account that you also have disabling skills of your own. Sure a Blader can KD you until skins end if you just stand there not using your own skills...but why would you want to do that?

I'm not saying that Warrior/Rogue is better than Warrior/Cleric. Hell, there's arguably nothing better than them Paladins. But sometimes, having a build that's not the same as every other guy PvPing in Samarkand--a build that has been shown to actually stand a chance against other builds with sufficient proof--is more satisfying than "owning".

edit: I know it's Joymax and all but a glitch is just that...a glitch. It's not exactly a weakness unique to Warrior/Rogues.

[Shadowfox542]

weymouthall's video should be enough proof that you won't be getting raped like a defenseless quadriplegic geriatric w/ Down Syndrome. PvP theories, like a Blader KDing you to death, often fail to take into account that you also have disabling skills of your own. Sure a Blader can KD you until skins end if you just stand there not using your own skills...but why would you want to do that?

I'm not saying that Warrior/Rogue is better than Warrior/Cleric. Hell, there's arguably nothing better than them Paladins. But sometimes, having a build that's not the same as every other guy PvPing in Samarkand--a build that has been shown to actually stand a chance against other builds with sufficient proof--is more satisfying than "owning".

If that blader uses KD constantly and throws up ironwall when he gets in trouble...

[Jekman]

If that blader uses KD constantly and throws up ironwall when he gets in trouble...

Switch to 1h Sword, cast Vital Increase then constantly use KB then spam "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

[weymouthhall]

Hehehe, for the records, I barely ever use skins in my pvp, unless against sun nuker or sun staff wizzies. Rogue/cleric was never able to kill me, even without my skins, unless they can 1hit crit me( I showed it once in my video) Even blader use snow shield, firewall together, it wont help him much. I once critted a blader 90 ice in firewall and it killed him

[Ningyotsukai-san]

Hi
thanks for ticking my post.
I've got a few questions about a warrior/rogue

1# Should i wear HA or LA? (also tell me why)
2# Should i take Dual axe skills?
3# Should i take 1h Skills?

#1 You can do fine in either of them.
#2 Only DA skills you'll really need is Double Twist / Sudden Twist for the stun and bleed
#3 Yes, 1hs has awesome tanking abilities and the Dull from Shield Trash / Shield Crush increases damage to a few of your warrior skills.

1) In PvP:
-warlock -> debuffs, sleep, .... you dead in 90% of the PvP
-warrior/cleric -> you die in 99.99% of the PvP
-warrior/warlock -> same as warrior/cleric
-rogue/cleric -> same as warrior
-rogue/bard -> 50:50
-wizard -> lets say 50:50
-any chinese -> more than 95% chances to die.

75% of all statistics are made up, including this one.

Pills, grains, all 3 weapons of warrior, decent gear, and a sense of what to do, this build can do just fine in PvP against any build....but that's true for any build (last part).

[rozzaa]

Hi
thanks for ticking my post.
I've got a few questions about a warrior/rogue

1# Should i wear HA or LA? (also tell me why)
2# Should i take Dual axe skills?
3# Should i take 1h Skills?

1. i would say LA since you are STR you will need mag defence
2. it is your choice, can make you stronger using all 3 wepons from warrior
3. same as #2

[REBD]

Hi
thanks for ticking my post.
I've got a few questions about a warrior/rogue

1# Should i wear HA or LA? (also tell me why)
2# Should i take Dual axe skills?
3# Should i take 1h Skills?

#1 You can do fine in either of them.
#2 Only DA skills you'll really need is Double Twist / Sudden Twist for the stun and bleed
#3 Yes, 1hs has awesome tanking abilities and the Dull from Shield Trash / Shield Crush increases damage to a few of your warrior skills.

1) In PvP:
-warlock -> debuffs, sleep, .... you dead in 90% of the PvP
-warrior/cleric -> you die in 99.99% of the PvP
-warrior/warlock -> same as warrior/cleric
-rogue/cleric -> same as warrior
-rogue/bard -> 50:50
-wizard -> lets say 50:50
-any chinese -> more than 95% chances to die.

75% of all statistics are made up, including this one.

Pills, grains, all 3 weapons of warrior, decent gear, and a sense of what to do, this build can do just fine in PvP against any build....but that's true for any build (last part).

Hehe, it is made up as I said it is my opinion. But hey if you want to be unique go for it. You can even try wizz/warrior or warrior/wizz if you want. I am not stoping you but IMO it is not worth it.

[MasterKojito]

I'd wear LA and get both 1h and 2h, as well as daggers and crossbow.

[LillDev!l]

I have to agree with the ones that said Rogue aint really a good sub in this topic.

you can win, if you know how to play right (imo)
use the KD, KB, stun etc. at the right times.
i'll go try it out, and go max both tree's

With cleric, you also have kb, stun, kd.
With cleric as a sub you can own in pvp without using skins (or bless) they are lame in pvp.
With cleric you can kill pure int's by overhealing and a few fast atacks.
With cleric you can bind your enemy's if you really need the HP.
With cleric you can keep a healing cycle up with makes up for your pot delay
If i pvp without cleric skills on my level 89 warrior i'dd die in no time, even if i screw up at healing once or forget it, im simply dead... (no i dont have noob gear or weps xD).
Rogue deals good damage, but even with rogue you dont really have nice pvp's imo... you can 1 hit crit some people, non of your pvp's last long at all you get killed in no time and you kill in no time (if you get a nice Xbow and Daggers).

If you like rogue better i dont see the adventage warrior really gives, a crossbow can also KB and KD > after kd you just need to switch to daggers and 1 skill your enemy (yea, its basicly always a 1 skill... no fun imo xD)

Just gave you a few reasons why i think cleric would be a better sub, for either rogue or warrior
On my warrior/cleric i can take basicly anyone in 1on1 without using my bless or skins, though group battle is different and in wars i wont keep my axes and so in my inv xD 2 much value to drop ^^

In the end its upto you though ^^ good luck on your char !

[BloodyBlade]

hey stay calm, I am simply giving my opinion.

1) In PvP:
-warlock -> debuffs, sleep, .... you dead in 90% of the PvP
-warrior/cleric -> you die in 99.99% of the PvP
-warrior/warlock -> same as warrior/cleric
-rogue/cleric -> same as warrior
-rogue/bard -> 50:50
-wizzard -> lets say 50:50

-any chinese -> more than 95% chances to die.

2) For plvl:
- first of all, people that can't res are shitty plvlers, only an idiot would pay for a plvl like that. No matter how good you are, most plvl spots are NOT safe.
- you can plvl for free, that is true

and remember to stay calm, I am giving my opinion.

If I give plvl im not paid to ress.
I kill the mobs, thats all. They need to come by theirselves & need to watch out they dont get killed.

[panterr]

I have to agree with the ones that said Rogue aint really a good sub in this topic.

you can win, if you know how to play right (imo)
use the KD, KB, stun etc. at the right times.
i'll go try it out, and go max both tree's

With cleric, you also have kb, stun, kd.
With cleric as a sub you can own in pvp without using skins (or bless) they are lame in pvp.
With cleric you can kill pure int's by overhealing and a few fast atacks.
With cleric you can bind your enemy's if you really need the HP.
With cleric you can keep a healing cycle up with makes up for your pot delay
If i pvp without cleric skills on my level 89 warrior i'dd die in no time, even if i screw up at healing once or forget it, im simply dead... (no i dont have noob gear or weps xD).
Rogue deals good damage, but even with rogue you dont really have nice pvp's imo... you can 1 hit crit some people, non of your pvp's last long at all you get killed in no time and you kill in no time (if you get a nice Xbow and Daggers).

If you like rogue better i dont see the adventage warrior really gives, a crossbow can also KB and KD > after kd you just need to switch to daggers and 1 skill your enemy (yea, its basicly always a 1 skill... no fun imo xD)

Just gave you a few reasons why i think cleric would be a better sub, for either rogue or warrior

In the end its upto you though ^^ good luck on your char !

Thanx:) i decided to go rogue/cleric.

in wars i dont keep my axe and so with me, because the value to lose them.

only 1 thing, can you explain that to me? i never played a war (except for FW)

I kill the mobs, thats all. They need to come by theirselves & need to watch out they dont get killed.

+1 As long as they pay, it'll not be my problem if they die..