JoymaxFanClub - Do you agree?

[HawaiianMix]

You guys take this game way to seriously.

Yea lol

Lets pretend that this "club" is serious lol

What system would they have that shows a person is 100% a botter?
Who would they have to prove it too to start the "hacking" process.
What do they do with the gold and equipment that is taken from these accounts?
Are they taking it for there own gain, dropping it all in town, putting it in another account then deleted that account?
Depending on how they go about of "hacking" these accounts couldn't they be breaking some laws?
I don't think getting in that territory is worth it. : \ Even tho it would be great for the ingame economy it's just not the right way to handle it. Even tho it seems 99.99% pointless the only right way of doing this is to complain to joymax about it and have them take care of there game the way they want.

brb gonna get a chocolaty snack, two for me none for you.

I personally prefer the Russian roulette method.

[Bakuretsu]

This idea is rediculous and very pointless.

Hack one at a time? Your joking of course, completely utterly pointless and wrong.

[ImmortalKiller]

This idea is rediculous and very pointless.

Hack one at a time? Your joking of course, completely utterly pointless and wrong.

Really? You mean, if a group of people had one specific target, it would be more worth it to hack the whole interwebs?

Noes.

[SwordCloud]

If i'm not wrong they hack some random people in one of their video.
Moreover,thye hack in many server,I don't think they know if the player who got hacked was a botter or not,I think they hack random people.

[ImmortalKiller]

If so, who cares?

Were you ever going to change these people's opinion?

Remember, we're only hypothesizing what WE would do given this power / skill / whatever you'd like to call it.

SOOOO, let's move along, if they hack random people, bots, whatever, you won't stop them.

[Doppleganger]

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You've begun to speak too much about topics which you don't know enough of. The breaking laws part annoyed me. It's the internet, and Joymax. :S

But trust me, it doesn't take much to know who's the server botters.

Enlighten me then.

[ImmortalKiller]

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You've begun to speak too much about topics which you don't know enough of. The breaking laws part annoyed me. It's the internet, and Joymax. :S

But trust me, it doesn't take much to know who's the server botters.

Enlighten me then.

Well, you go to DW south, and you see who sucks at PVP but has full sun and therefore wins, and does not stop talking about it, and that's the botter you're looking for!

And seriously, I doubt you know how to hack Joymax :S

The breaking laws part-- Who's been persecuted for breaking Joymax's TOS?

What's left to enlighten?

[XMoshe]

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You've begun to speak too much about topics which you don't know enough of. The breaking laws part annoyed me. It's the internet, and Joymax. :S

But trust me, it doesn't take much to know who's the server botters.

Enlighten me then.

Too bad the laws also apply to teh interwebz >.>

I still don't think they can hack someone. People with worthwhile accounts are smart enough to hide their info in such a way people cannot find out their accounts email/id/pw/SA etc. If you do find out, chance is you got an account with nothing on it or some lvl 20 alt >.>

[ImmortalKiller]

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You've begun to speak too much about topics which you don't know enough of. The breaking laws part annoyed me. It's the internet, and Joymax. :S

But trust me, it doesn't take much to know who's the server botters.

Enlighten me then.

Too bad the laws also apply to teh interwebz >.>

I still don't think they can hack someone. People with worthwhile accounts are smart enough to hide their info in such a way people cannot find out their accounts email/id/pw/SA etc. If you do find out, chance is you got an account with nothing on it or some lvl 20 alt >.>

I know laws apply to the interwebs, but will Joymax follow up on them?

And yes, MOST people can hide their info, but for the overconfident botters, they get h4xz0rd0mgz0rznsh1tl0l

[XMoshe]

Too bad the laws also apply to teh interwebz >.>

I still don't think they can hack someone. People with worthwhile accounts are smart enough to hide their info in such a way people cannot find out their accounts email/id/pw/SA etc. If you do find out, chance is you got an account with nothing on it or some lvl 20 alt >.>

I know laws apply to the interwebs, but will Joymax follow up on them?

And yes, MOST people can hide their info, but for the overconfident botters, they get h4xz0rd0mgz0rznsh1tl0l

The overconfident botters (I presume you are referring to full sun or semi full sun chars) are especially the ones that knows how to hide their info O_o

[ImmortalKiller]

Too bad the laws also apply to teh interwebz >.>

I still don't think they can hack someone. People with worthwhile accounts are smart enough to hide their info in such a way people cannot find out their accounts email/id/pw/SA etc. If you do find out, chance is you got an account with nothing on it or some lvl 20 alt >.>

I know laws apply to the interwebs, but will Joymax follow up on them?

And yes, MOST people can hide their info, but for the overconfident botters, they get h4xz0rd0mgz0rznsh1tl0l

The overconfident botters (I presume you are referring to full sun or semi full sun chars) are especially the ones that knows how to hide their info O_o

Maybe on Xian...

But there's many a sun buyer who tries to sell his acc.

BUSTED.

[Doppleganger]

Well, you go to DW south, and you see who sucks at PVP but has full sun and therefore wins, and does not stop talking about it, and that's the botter you're looking for!

And seriously, I doubt you know how to hack Joymax :S

The breaking laws part-- Who's been persecuted for breaking Joymax's TOS?

What's left to enlighten?

Being full sun and him beating you and rubbing it in your face doesn't make him a botter.
It is possible to be full sun and not be a cheater. Example friends putting sun pieces together to make 1 full set.
I doubt i know how to hack joymax too, was there something i said that suggested to you that i know how to do it?
Breaking laws part, this is from the TOS.

Article 5 (Definition of Hacking)

1. Hacking shall mean acquisition and use of other's computerized information without permission. Hacking includes the following actions:
① Creating a new function that can harm the system
② Illegally penetrating into the information system without permission

Article 6 (Hacking Management)

1. Company shall delete or suspend forever the account owned by such hacker and/or temporarily restore all date in existence before hacking.

2. Hacker and the user of hacking program may be subject to civil or criminal liability in accordance with applicable statutes or regulations, and the Company shall not be liable.

Back to this youtube account.
Here is a comment he left on one of his videos.

We just sold gold that we "get" in last two months - its 2700 usd per head. Now we wait for rollback.

having money and same gold - priceless!

They are not doing the justice you think they are. Turning around and selling the stuff that they get makes them just as bad as the bots.

[XMoshe]

I know laws apply to the interwebs, but will Joymax follow up on them?

And yes, MOST people can hide their info, but for the overconfident botters, they get h4xz0rd0mgz0rznsh1tl0l

The overconfident botters (I presume you are referring to full sun or semi full sun chars) are especially the ones that knows how to hide their info O_o

Maybe on Xian...

But there's many a sun buyer who tries to sell his acc.

BUSTED.

What has that to do with finding out email's? He won't give those unless you bought the char don't you think?

And busted? wtf?

[lopasas]

They are not doing the justice you think they are. Turning around and selling the stuff that they get makes them just as bad as the bots.

exactly, theyre assholes, but i dont give a sh*t that someone bots or whatever
even if u buy a 90 acc, in 2-3 days u will learn to play it, try out the skills and make ur own strategy
dont think that legits are sooo good a pvping at stuff

[rawrrawrblacksheep]

There's no such thing as being hacked, so...

They'd have to get keylogged or share the info.
Either way, it's wrong. Basically going down to their level kind of thing. You become no better than them yourselves.

Ahem. Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, and therefore, you should not talk about the concept of hacking Joymax accounts. Don't say hacking accounts is impossible, or even improbable.

Hacking accounts is impossible.
Said it!
When someone loses their account, it's 100% their "fault", whether it be a bad password, downloading something they shouldn't or sharing info.

[DivineFavor]

yeah, i love that's
good luke for boting hack

[selenne]

now i hav an opinion. bunch of azzholes.

just saw the video again, and noticed solidus11 was ther. he got hacked and NEVER botted, but had full sun set.

a funny thing is that some botters get scared. well, at least the ones that do not use the 2 most famous bot programs nowadays.

[poehalcho]

I don't approve of the idea that hacking bots is good, however I think bots should be fought in any way possible. don't fight bad with bad, fight bad with good. instead of hacking, create circumstances that make botting impossible (=good ).

w/e can't judge over these kinda things.

[ImmortalKiller]

If you really wanna follow up on this, PM me. I won't spam this topic any longer than the following.

If one so much as knows the email and the login of a person's account, their account is easily compromised within 5 minutes. Therefore, one can look on E-Bay for accounts that are being sold, ask to contact the seller, and viola. That person's account is busted :S


@ Dopple:

I have read their TOS, I know their TOS, but they do not enforce it. Was Reilly Klevre in any trouble when he... messed with... Silkroad's turkey event web page thingy? No. Will the person who put the "f- you" alert on their website ever be punished? Probably not.

I did not mean to generalize the legit players with sun sets with the hoards of botters who bought their sun sets. But usually, it doesn't take long to identify who bots and who doesn't in a server.

There's no such thing as being hacked, so...

They'd have to get keylogged or share the info.
Either way, it's wrong. Basically going down to their level kind of thing. You become no better than them yourselves.

Ahem. Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, and therefore, you should not talk about the concept of hacking Joymax accounts. Don't say hacking accounts is impossible, or even improbable.

Hacking accounts is impossible.
Said it!
When someone loses their account, it's 100% their "fault", whether it be a bad password, downloading something they shouldn't or sharing info.

Look, if I truly desired, all I would need would be your damned email and login ID to have full access to your account. I'm in no way exaggerating. And it doesn't take much work to get the E-Mail of a target, simply befriending them could do the trick. Finding the login is the hard part, but nothing a dedicated soul can't do.

And how stupid would it seem, in retrospect, to merely give out an E-Mail to someone whom you've developed close bonds with in game? It would seem like such a little, insignificant thing.

Of course, it's that person's fault in the first place for giving out personal data of any sort, in which case, you're right. I admit to that.

[Hennessey]

botting effects the ingame econemy a bit, it makes the game seem more dead, it lets ppl cap faster than others.

it doesnt hurt others tho

hacking accounts whether they were botted or not is wrong. people become atached to their characters and also spend alot of irl money on them in most cases. to take away something they own is alot worse than them botting their own char

The **** you smoking? Botting is the ONLY reason the economy is farked up. It hurts everyone in the game and it's the biggest reason silkroad fails. Botting = gold bots = buy gold = bad economy = less sever space = less legits. It's not hard.

Why do they deserve their characters? A thief can spend years coming up with the perfect plan to steal a diamond, spend thousands doing so and then you think he gets it keep it? No. Cheaters deserve what they get.

i figured someone would say this.
look what characters theyre hacking. theyre capped wealthy characters, not gold bots. the econemy in sro is effected partly by player bots. but the gold bots are the real problem.

without gold bots, there would NEVER be traffic, no matter how many people botted their characters. prices for everything would drop enormously. it would even the playing field.

next you'll say "well botters spend more time fighting mobs and will get more drops." why dont you look at the venus "legits" that grind every day for hours on end. are you going to say its unfair that they find more drops than the legits who grind less?

"hacking" whether its using bruteforce or a keylogger or w.e is wrong and alot worse than botting in a game where the GMs allow you to bot.

[bojeeng]

You guys take this game way to seriously.

Sorry to get off topic... but i hit Ctrl+W ... u basterd

[Azilius]

botting effects the ingame econemy a bit, it makes the game seem more dead, it lets ppl cap faster than others.

it doesnt hurt others tho

hacking accounts whether they were botted or not is wrong. people become atached to their characters and also spend alot of irl money on them in most cases. to take away something they own is alot worse than them botting their own char

The **** you smoking? Botting is the ONLY reason the economy is farked up. It hurts everyone in the game and it's the biggest reason silkroad fails. Botting = gold bots = buy gold = bad economy = less sever space = less legits. It's not hard.

Why do they deserve their characters? A thief can spend years coming up with the perfect plan to steal a diamond, spend thousands doing so and then you think he gets it keep it? No. Cheaters deserve what they get.

i figured someone would say this.
look what characters theyre hacking. theyre capped wealthy characters, not gold bots. the econemy in sro is effected partly by player bots. but the gold bots are the real problem.

without gold bots, there would NEVER be traffic, no matter how many people botted their characters. prices for everything would drop enormously. it would even the playing field.

next you'll say "well botters spend more time fighting mobs and will get more drops." why dont you look at the venus "legits" that grind every day for hours on end. are you going to say its unfair that they find more drops than the legits who grind less?

"hacking" whether its using bruteforce or a keylogger or w.e is wrong and alot worse than botting in a game where the GMs allow you to bot.

Player bots have their OWN gold bots. Who's to say gold buyers shouldn't be hacked as well? I never said that. Gold buyers create bots. Telling me what I'm going to say in an argument isn't smart, and bringing up venus isn't smart either. You sound like a tool ESPECIALLY when you put legit in quotations. IMO that's a bot accusation and you should be warned/banned.

Don't tell me what I'll say because you know nothing about me or how I think. If a legit finds more drops it would still be fair because he's on the same playing field.

I never said hacking was good or right, I simply stated cheaters deserve what happens to them. Also, if I remember correctly the GM's don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't, but rather a higher power. I remember the old 'GM' Pred who stated he did want them banned but was not allowed to do it. Just to clear up whatever you may of been thinking.

[Hennessey]

Player bots have their OWN gold bots. Who's to say gold buyers shouldn't be hacked as well? I never said that. Gold buyers create bots. Telling me what I'm going to say in an argument isn't smart, and bringing up venus isn't smart either. You sound like a tool ESPECIALLY when you put legit in quotations. IMO that's a bot accusation and you should be warned/banned.

Don't tell me what I'll say because you know nothing about me or how I think. If a legit finds more drops it would still be fair because he's on the same playing field.

I never said hacking was good or right, I simply stated cheaters deserve what happens to them. Also, if I remember correctly the GM's don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't, but rather a higher power. I remember the old 'GM' Pred who stated he did want them banned but was not allowed to do it. Just to clear up whatever you may of been thinking.

lol, im not accusing anyone of botting. i was refering to a certain someone who leads the confed and was caught botting. i dont support botting but i have alot more friends in sro that bot than legit friends. just because they let a program press 1,2,3,4 for them doesnt mean they should be hacked.

[Azilius]

You have your views, I have mine. Cheaters should be taught a lesson just as criminals are. Same thing different setting.

[Toasty]

There's no such thing as being hacked, so...

They'd have to get keylogged or share the info.
Either way, it's wrong. Basically going down to their level kind of thing. You become no better than them yourselves.

Ahem. Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, and therefore, you should not talk about the concept of hacking Joymax accounts. Don't say hacking accounts is impossible, or even improbable.

Hacking accounts is impossible.
Said it!
When someone loses their account, it's 100% their "fault", whether it be a bad password, downloading something they shouldn't or sharing info.

Dont be silly. It depends on the hacker. Is it worth the time / skill to hack into a SRO account? I'm sure they can find something better. Just because SRO only has nubby hackers doesnt mean people cant get hacked.

[.curve]

You have your views, I have mine. Cheaters should be taught a lesson just as criminals are. Same thing different setting.

Agreed, anyone who "hacks" a botter should be taught a lesson back.

[DarkJackal]

Gold bots are just a part of the game like player bots, they aren't most of the problem, they effect grinding and economy, player bots buy the gold and also effect the economy but also effect grinding and the rest of the game(jobbing and guild wars and stuff), i'd rather play in sro with gold bots around while players botting up get banned, at least then the retards who do buy from the gold bots have to grind up, and probably won't make it to the cap.

If gold bots just get banned you still have the players botting around crowding the grinding areas, then you have them finding suns and stuff, also still getting more gold just form botting themselves, then they are farmed and capped and jobbing, and pvping.


"next you'll say "well botters spend more time fighting mobs and will get more drops." why dont you look at the venus "legits" that grind every day for hours on end. are you going to say its unfair that they find more drops than the legits who grind less?"
How is that the same since it's a bot doing compared to ppl? A bot goes 24/7, a player goes a few hours a day, a venus legit goes 10? Still less then half a bot would lol. Plus the legit puts the work into, so good for them.

[Azilius]

You have your views, I have mine. Cheaters should be taught a lesson just as criminals are. Same thing different setting.

Agreed, anyone who "hacks" a botter should be taught a lesson back.

Which is why I think a simple ban would be much better Though I don't agree with the hacking 100% I feel that the botter/gold buyer still deserves it.

[DarkJackal]

You have your views, I have mine. Cheaters should be taught a lesson just as criminals are. Same thing different setting.

Agreed, anyone who "hacks" a botter should be taught a lesson back.

Which is why I think a simple ban would be much better Though I don't agree with the hacking 100% I feel that the botter/gold buyer still deserves it.

I'd prefer them getting banned instead too, but that wont happen ;d.