Hybrid Blade?

[Liquid Smooth]

i know its a terrible build but i was just wandering how much more damage it will do and how much defense/hp it will lose?

[NuclearSilo]

Tested @ lvl 24: a blade 90% balance deal 10% more dmg than a pure blade with 95~96% phy balance. Dun know if it's the same at lvl 90.
But a blade deal only around 6k dmg KD. +10% = 6.6k dmg still kill shit. But lose around 3~4k HP... depends on lvl.

Just check nivlam.com

[eaglehawk]

i assume that a hybrid blader can fight better with a higher lvl snow shield than a pure str blader, but without the snow shield or sun they can be killed pretty easily by int builds. the guildmaster of the fortress owners in babel is a hybrid blader im sure u guys from babel know who im talking about.

[Liquid Smooth]

how about a 2:1 blade?

[foudre]

5:1 blader is nice so far at 27 i can kill easily things a few lvls higher in one imbue something i could not do with pure str

youtube 5:1 hybrid force blader, i'll look for the link that video inspired me to try it, i'm lvling it ever few days inbetween my main and school. I'm liking it alot more then pure str, even a pure str with sos plus 3 blade and sheild couldn't kill in one imbue at these lvls the earth ghost like i can now, took me 1 and an extra skill, i kill faster but i have less hp, how ever i can still tank well and can hit pretty hard on a crit right now i can hit a person in garms for about 1.1k with smash and stab, and the video i saw of the 90 5:1 was hitting pretty well too, a 16k crit on another str 90 from a blade no beserk

[Pawnage]

5:1 blader is nice so far at 27 i can kill easily things a few lvls higher in one imbue something i could not do with pure str

youtube 5:1 hybrid force blader, i'll look for the link that video inspired me to try it, i'm lvling it ever few days inbetween my main and school. I'm liking it alot more then pure str, even a pure str with sos plus 3 blade and sheild couldn't kill in one imbue at these lvls the earth ghost like i can now, took me 1 and an extra skill, i kill faster but i have less hp, how ever i can still tank well and can hit pretty hard on a crit right now i can hit a person in garms for about 1.1k with smash and stab, and the video i saw of the 90 5:1 was hitting pretty well too, a 16k crit on another str 90 from a blade no beserk

http://www.wegame.com/watch/Silkroad_Hybrid_Blader_PVP/
not sure if this is it, but this is a pretty good one

[foudre]

5:1 blader is nice so far at 27 i can kill easily things a few lvls higher in one imbue something i could not do with pure str

youtube 5:1 hybrid force blader, i'll look for the link that video inspired me to try it, i'm lvling it ever few days inbetween my main and school. I'm liking it alot more then pure str, even a pure str with sos plus 3 blade and sheild couldn't kill in one imbue at these lvls the earth ghost like i can now, took me 1 and an extra skill, i kill faster but i have less hp, how ever i can still tank well and can hit pretty hard on a crit right now i can hit a person in garms for about 1.1k with smash and stab, and the video i saw of the 90 5:1 was hitting pretty well too, a 16k crit on another str 90 from a blade no beserk

http://www.wegame.com/watch/Silkroad_Hybrid_Blader_PVP/
not sure if this is it, but this is a pretty good one

ya thats the one

even at lvl 27 i can really tell the differance between 5:1 and pure, right now i'm in armor so wizzards can still one shot me with lc, i'll change to robes or protector eventually but for now i care more about protection in pve then pvp

[headzor]

Could you say what the phys balance of a 5:1 hybrid str is? i only know the int builds^^ but not the str builds, and i just want to know a balance its easyer to keep then i dont have to remember that much^^
would be very nice of someone to tell me^^ ty!

[Ningyotsukai-san]

Could you say what the phys balance of a 5:1 hybrid str is? i only know the int builds^^ but not the str builds, and i just want to know a balance its easyer to keep then i dont have to remember that much^^
would be very nice of someone to tell me^^ ty!

think it's 90% / 39% @ 90 naked (phy / mag)

[hyma]

chinese chars with 90% balance r0x.

[foudre]

ya its every other lvl just add 1 int

my magic balance is just about 39 or 40%

to help me keep it straight i just sent a note to myself saying on odd lvl ups to add one int and even lvls just pure str

[muyo]

how about 1:1 blade...full blue 88% phy and 81% magical? HP 7k below pure str but damage should be a lot better?

[Hustlar]

qft if you gonna compare builds that you only got to lvl 20-30

[foudre]

how about 1:1 blade...full blue 88% phy and 81% magical? HP 7k below pure str but damage should be a lot better?

if you're doing that you better go sword, it'll do more dmg with that kind of ratio

[ivar]

not true, depends if your using nukes or not watch the 69:70 glavie guide of elnawawi for more details on that matter. Its kind of the same idea

[neola]

What about a 7:1 blade how would that do? and about how much less hp would it have compared to a pure str because im thinking of making one.

[Shadowfox542]

qft if you gonna compare builds that you only got to lvl 20-30

1/10
10/100
100/1000
1000/10000

All are .1.

Hybrid is a ratio.

That said, too many variables to know for sure, but it seems like it would stay rather similar.

[the_wicked]

my 90% hybrid blader (back at 80 cap) destroyed lvl 80 glaivers (till they found out the pill bug GG)

but i did do more non-crit damage .... forget how much.

[theCoder]

Hybrid bladers actually tank better than pure str. Why? Number of hp points are not enough, its about how much physical defense and how much magical defense you have. Pure str have next to nothing in magical defense, and without their shield can be 2-shotted by a nuker (or one-shotted by a wizard). I know many pure str bladers who have given up and gone glaive out of frustration (amazing the number of pure str glaives that give up and go blade.... pure builds just do not work for the Chinese).

I might suggest trying 80/60 (tongue in cheek). A little experimental, as far as I am concerned but still plenty of hp and much better overall weapon damage. With alchemy it comes out to at least 90/70. You'll have some nice tanking ability against high damage int builds.

[Hicko]

I'm a lvl 90 pure STR blader and I love it. Hardly anybody can kill me and in the end I win almost every battle. I crit hard which wins in PVP, Plus having a +7 blade with 81% phys and 100% crit 13 helps

Seriously, Why go hybrid?? Pure str all the way.

[theCoder]

I'm a lvl 90 pure STR blader and I love it. Hardly anybody can kill me and in the end I win almost every battle. I crit hard which wins in PVP, Plus having a +7 blade with 81% phys and 100% crit 13 helps

Seriously, Why go hybrid?? Pure str all the way.

Glad you're still happy with your build. Player skill will more often than not, compensate a build's weakness.

My experience has been quite different...

I have been to the level cap with a pure str, and having lead several guilds into massive PvP battles and making my business to know what everyone's build was on our side, I can tell you, you have to have uber gear as a pure Chinese build to compensate for your weakness (lack of magical defense, in the case of a pure str).

Comments from other long time players who have been to the cap with pure builds have only affirmed what I observed from the top. As a pure strength:

1. Your last book of imbue is no better than your first, meaning you magical damage is too weak for your force masteries to make a difference for you.
2. More hp does not protect you from magical damage, meaning a hybrid with less hp and more magical defense will out-tank a pure strength against nukers, and out tank nukers against the low damage output of pure str's.
3. Depending on your crits (even a pure str pacheon, who can use the last 2 books of anti-devil bow, back to back with a crit 12 bow) is no substitute for raw damage output.

You have to hybridize and hybridize heavily as Chinese to improve your survivability and for good damage output (put away the high damage contests, Euro wizards will out-do all in damage output).

If you want to tank as a pure strength, go Euro Warrior/Cleric. You will outdamage and outtank any pure str Chinese blader with or without uber gear, hands-down. If you're tired of having your behind handed to you by pure Euro build's, then go hybrid.

[LastProfet]

a hybrid blade dnt sounds good to me..blade its meant to be a tanker..not a dmg dealer so i dnt see the point of adding int..

[neola]

a hybrid blade dnt sounds good to me..blade its meant to be a tanker..not a dmg dealer so i dnt see the point of adding int..

I think u see the point becuase u said it in your post. The point of adding int to a blader is so that you will be able to deal more dmg and kill people faster in pvp and also to kill mobs fatser so you lvl faster. But you will still be able to tank due to shield, ice shield if u use it and plus u also have more mag defense so you can tank mag atks better then a pure str build.

[Hicko]

I wear garms to help with the magic defense. But anyway, I aint gonna start an argument because each to thier own. Plus IMO if more people go hybrid then thats fine by me

[Hicko]

Sorry, Double post.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

i knew a 2:1 str blader on aege from the 70-80 cap.
He totally destroyed nukers and full str 3-5 lvls above himself,
he only had bicheon lightning and force, but he hit really hard


in my opinion, hybrid bladers are better,

even though full str have higher crits and more life,
i'd go for higher damage, you can easily go prot to make up for the phys defence loss too

[marijnz0r]

i'm afraid of farking my build with hybrid :|

[theCoder]

i'm afraid of farking my build with hybrid :|

I was too, especially when I was so close to the level cap, no way I was going to hybridize.....

All I can say is that more hp does not help you tank better. Low magical defense will mean more magical damage on you.

Crits can be alchemied away, and as mentioned in this thread http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62990&st=0&sk=t&sd=a, pure ints crit higher, because of their overall higher damage output (massive magical damage stacked on top of a weak crit).

You wouldn't base your entire build on the freezing status of cold, would you? Freezing can be alchemied away. Why would you base your build on something that can be alchemied away, and only happens by chance? Same goes for crits.

There are two types of damages in this game, and it is what makes hybridizing all Chinese builds all the more sense. Euro's have over-powered skills and buffs to make up for their loss of going pure. Chinese were built for hybridization, it is reflected in the 2 types of damage in all Chinese weaponry.

If it's too late for your build, do not fret. Get some good garms, get the lightning passive if you have it, and the lightning parry buff. Collect dodging scrolls at all events. Use all three of these, and its not very likely you will ever meet your match (most pure str's get lightning just for the grasswalk and throw away their dodging scrolls). Your chances of running into a seasoned hybrid who understands their build (like Undutchable, Xfactor, or Alvaris) is pretty slim.

I've leveled a pure str to the level cap, and understand the angst of realizing the gimpyness of your build. There are measures you can take to improvise.