[ARTICLE]Long on China, Short on the United States

[Barotix]

Capitalism is an economic system, not a socio-economic system like Communism, Socialism, Egalitarianism, or Laissez Faire. Corporatism is a government/economic system. It's more popularly known as Fascism. China relies on the market economy as much as America, and Russia is just a spiteful cow.

[Sovereign]

America. Well i doubt they will be number 1 for much longer. The fact that they are in about 7 trillion dollars of federal debt is already enough to cripple them.

The other funny thing is, which i think someone might have picked up on, is that countries like China and Japan actually Own so much in America, the asians have been buying lots of thing in America instead of just lending the money (although they do that as well) if they decided to be mean, they could probably take parts of the US into their control.

A good example of this, is with the Japanese owning pretty much all the land in California.

[TOloseGT]

china already took over the world, everything's made in china =]

[izmeister]

china already took over the world, everything's made in china =]

But the factories are owned by non-chinese

[Eeece]

china already took over the world, everything's made in china =]

But the factories are owned by non-chinese

wrong the owners are 100% chinese

[izmeister]

china already took over the world, everything's made in china =]

But the factories are owned by non-chinese

wrong the owners are 100% chinese

The owner of Nike, Phil Knight, is not chinese

[XemnasXD]

But the factories are owned by non-chinese

wrong the owners are 100% chinese

The owner of Nike, Phil Knight, is not chinese

But China controls is workers. China didn't come to phil knight to make the deal, Phil Knight came to China. and is therefore at the mercy of the Chinese government. He's on their turf, don't get it twisted. '

Also i don't all the negativity towards china. There country is successful, not just militarily but economically, that means that the people are making money. They may not all have the lifestyle we have in America but if this crisis is proof of anything its that not even we can keep up with that lifestyle. Don't see why ppl think communism is evil. Im going out on a limb here but im pretty sure that everyone who made comments about their gov't in a negative light can't even define communism off the top of their heads and they probably can't even define democracy for that matter. You guys sound like parrots just repeating what you've heard your equally ignorant parents repeat from some psedo-intellectual ultra conservative media personality....your squawking hurts my ears.

[Jstar1]

Don't see why ppl think communism is evil

On paper, communism in itself isn't evil since everyone is supposed to be equal. In practice, communism is utter garbage and communist countries are evil in that they don't do anything for the people. Its all for the communist party itself. Tell me one economic and social communist country in the past or present that has done good for the world. I don't see any.

[.Banshee]

Don't see why ppl think communism is evil

On paper, communism in itself isn't evil since everyone is supposed to be equal. In practice, communism is utter garbage and communist countries are evil in that they don't do anything for the people. Its all for the communist party itself. Tell me one economic and social communist country in the past or present that has done good for the world. I don't see any.

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

[izmeister]

Don't see why ppl think communism is evil

On paper, communism in itself isn't evil since everyone is supposed to be equal. In practice, communism is utter garbage and communist countries are evil in that they don't do anything for the people. Its all for the communist party itself. Tell me one economic and social communist country in the past or present that has done good for the world. I don't see any.

China is pretty much the only thing keeping America from falling apart economically right now

[Snoopy]

Don't see why ppl think communism is evil

On paper, communism in itself isn't evil since everyone is supposed to be equal. In practice, communism is utter garbage and communist countries are evil in that they don't do anything for the people. Its all for the communist party itself. Tell me one economic and social communist country in the past or present that has done good for the world. I don't see any.

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

As a country they benefit, but do the people? If you're poor you're forgotten about, if you're rich then all is good. They put a great big line between the two.

[izmeister]

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

As a country they benefit, but do the people? If you're poor you're forgotten about, if you're rich then all is good. They put a great big line between the two.

Thats the way it is in most, if not all, countries. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor. Your point?

[CrimsonNuker]

actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.

I disagree. In my opinion China has always been #1. Empires have risen and fell, China has not. Ancient Egypt, China was there, Ancient Rome, China was there, Byzantium, Mali, Ottoman, Great Zimbabwe, Czechoslovakia, etc; China was there and it still is here.

You said it yourself, it has been around for thousands of years and has never quite risen to the top to have anything to lose. After these thousands of years look where is it on the economy list... 6th.

America on the other hand which became an independent state on July 4th 1776 (Don't know if this is real). Anyway, within those 200 years of being an independent state has never looked back. They have the strongest Military, Economy and just about every other thing there is to be greatest at. Sure, sometimes people think they're better at governing the world than they are at governing their own country. That's life.

Nu-uh.

edit: nvm

[Snoopy]

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

As a country they benefit, but do the people? If you're poor you're forgotten about, if you're rich then all is good. They put a great big line between the two.

Thats the way it is in most, if not all, countries. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor. Your point?

Actually, that's not the way it is, atleast not where I live. Poor people are given government handouts as well as allowances if you have children you get some such handout. In China the poor are treated like shit.

[Barotix]

Don't see why ppl think communism is evil

On paper, communism in itself isn't evil since everyone is supposed to be equal. In practice, communism is utter garbage and communist countries are evil in that they don't do anything for the people. Its all for the communist party itself. Tell me one economic and social communist country in the past or present that has done good for the world. I don't see any.

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

USSR collapsed because of Communism; the country did not benefit. I don't know where you're getting that reconstructionist History from, but it's wrong, and China is moving away from the Communist economic system at a rapid rate.

Now let's all stop calling communism evil. In theory Communism is awesome, but in practice it has A]failed or B]been replaced with a form of Fascism or Corporatism. Communism can't work on large scales; even anarchy isn't fit for Communism because Communism requires a bureaucracy, a council, or leaders to oversee everything. The fact of the matter is that a small group of elites could never begin to understand every action that takes place in the economy. Think of the process of making a pencil; from tree to pencil. Imagine trying to regulate that by yourself, or with a small council aided by "underlings." Imagine the difficulty in coping with everything that happens along the change from resource to product. Now magnify that 100 fold and tell a small council to anticipate, control, plan, and coordinate it all without mistakes all over the board. The USSR was plagued by shortages, bad commodities, and bad products. The people were poor, there was rampant corruption, and the black market grew with every new plan. Such a system is bound to fail.

[Snoopy]

I disagree. In my opinion China has always been #1. Empires have risen and fell, China has not. Ancient Egypt, China was there, Ancient Rome, China was there, Byzantium, Mali, Ottoman, Great Zimbabwe, Czechoslovakia, etc; China was there and it still is here.

You said it yourself, it has been around for thousands of years and has never quite risen to the top to have anything to lose. After these thousands of years look where is it on the economy list... 6th.

America on the other hand which became an independent state on July 4th 1776 (Don't know if this is real). Anyway, within those 200 years of being an independent state has never looked back. They have the strongest Military, Economy and just about every other thing there is to be greatest at. Sure, sometimes people think they're better at governing the world than they are at governing their own country. That's life.

Nu-uh.

edit: nvm

:p I'm guessing you were going to argue the fact America has the strongest military? They do. They have the most military funding, the best Air Force, best Navy and best Army. Though would they be as good without all this military funding? Possibly not, though the fact is they have the funding and they use it.

I wish I saw what you wrote

[CrimsonNuker]

I didnt write anything other than Nu Uh lol

[Snoopy]

I didnt write anything other than Nu Uh lol

lol the Nu uh and the military in colour

[Jstar1]

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

China doesn't have a communist economy. Their government is, but the economy is almost like a democracy now, thats why they they where they are now. It would have been impossible for China to progress like they did in the last decade if they had a communist system. And the USSR collapsed because of communism. Sure they outpaced us in the space race but only because their economy was so huge and they had smart people in the government, but it wouldn't have lasted forever.

Get your facts right before you come yelling here and making yourself look like an utter moron

[TOloseGT]

rawr, china ftw

[XemnasXD]

Actually, that's not the way it is, atleast not where I live. Poor people are given government handouts as well as allowances if you have children you get some such handout. In China the poor are treated like shit.

thats the way it is in the good ole USofA so i guess we're just as bad as China

[Snoopy]

Actually, that's not the way it is, atleast not where I live. Poor people are given government handouts as well as allowances if you have children you get some such handout. In China the poor are treated like shit.

thats the way it is in the good ole USofA so i guess we're just as bad as China

do poorer Americans get absolutely nothing? That's sad..

[.Banshee]

You sound so ridiculous right now in that the evidence is right under your nose. Stop getting your info from Fox News and actually try to learn something. I'll give you 2 countries that have benefited from a communist economy.
1.USSR
2.China obviously
Come on now not everything America does or says is right.

USSR collapsed because of Communism; the country did not benefit.

No not really. The collapse of the USSR was due to changes within its own system combined with a cascade of external geopolitical events.So how come it all collapsed?

1)Well America had an obvious role. In the 1980s the new right movement was met with great victory when Ronald Reagan was elected president. Due to a notable lack of funds, the USSR had begun scaling back its nuclear arms, along with the US. However, when Reagan came to power, he wished to revitalize the Cold War and succeeded. Reagan began pushing the Soviets back into an arms race typical of the 1950s and 60s.
2)The Soviet Union also experienced a change in leadership. When Mikhail Gorbachev came into power, he instituted two new programs. Glasnost, which allowed for greater media freedom and less internal security, freed up the press to begin making accusations against the state and demanding reform. Perestroika, the second program, set out to be the first of several programs that would restructure the Soviet economy so it could begin growing financially. However, the economy began to flounder during this restructuring and, in combination with geopolitical pressure from the United States and internal journalistic criticisms, the Soviet Union began to collapse.
3)The Soviet satellite nations (ie-Yugoslavia, Latvia, etc) began to revolt and Gorbachev announced that the Red Army would no longer support communist regimes in those countries and withdrew them back into Russia.This is considered the death knell for the Soviet Union since it lead to the destruction of the Berlin Wall, often viewed as the defining moment that the USSR died.

@Jstar no, you get your facts right, because my facts are just alright.

[Barotix]

Actually, that's not the way it is, atleast not where I live. Poor people are given government handouts as well as allowances if you have children you get some such handout. In China the poor are treated like shit.

thats the way it is in the good ole USofA so i guess we're just as bad as China

do poorer Americans get absolutely nothing? That's sad..

Bullshit. The welfare state apparatus is alive and well. Our system is just like Snoopy described:

Poor people are given government aid as well as allowances if you have children you get some such aid.

Now there's a limit to the aid; maybe the amount of aid they recieve is not to Xemnas' liking, but personally I think Government should get the fck out of the way. Continue the aid all you want, but make it a hell of a lot easier to better one's position. Minimum wage does not help under-productive poor people; it helps productive poor people. Workers permits, Child labor, AA, Quotas. They all fail to help people that are less fortunate, and only make it easier for established businesses to reap from less competition and political power. I don't endorse the welfare state apparatus, but I do believe it should be made easier for one to better their position. If it is discovered that a program or law is counter-productive, and instead of aiding the poor it harms them said law should be repealed. Sadly, such laws are usually protected by a veil of propaganda.

@Banshee, so Communism helped the USSR how? They had serious social and economic issues that were caused because of their command economy; you even posted it:

2)The Soviet Union also experienced a change in leadership. When Mikhail Gorbachev came into power, he instituted two new programs. Glasnost, which allowed for greater media freedom and less internal security, freed up the press to begin making accusations against the state and demanding reform. Perestroika, the second program, set out to be the first of several programs that would restructure the Soviet economy so it could begin growing financially. However, the economy began to flounder during this restructuring and, in combination with geopolitical pressure from the United States and internal journalistic criticisms, the Soviet Union began to collapse.

The Soviet economic model, typical of totalitarian regimes, has major inherent flaws. The two largest being; waste, and stagnation. A result of such a system is a shortage.