euro str charcters

[agentcool5]

euro charcters is like allwayes overpowered i dont know why the game made them like this
it supposed to be balanced game, don't flame for that every body know
but the new thing is pure str charcters that have cleric as a sup hit with 6-8k damage on other player
and they are pure str with a nice damage 6-8k is good but ftw how their mag blanace must be too low
i guess in 10 dgree pure str euro will be staff and nuke the shit of other ppl
i saw two 2h charcters pvp with iron skin on
one of them turned to cleric and 3 hit the other one then switched back to 2h and daredevil K.O
i was like wooooooooooooooow (STR)

[ImmortalKiller]

Did joymax EVER say they intended for Euros to be as powerful as Chinese? Did they say it was supposed to be a fair fight? Did they say that the Euros AREN'T going to be overpowered?

I'll give you time to ponder.

[iSinnnn]

Absolute.. damage..

[2ez]

my grammar hurts!!!

[Ragnorak]

the only euro class that has advantage over Chinese imo is any build with warlock main/sub...doesn't mean that if a Chinese pvp any euro with warlock is a guarantee lost but but its much more difficult to pvp, depending on how many times you stun/get stun/ur pill spam timing.

all other euro builds with non-warlock sub are not too hard to pvp against.

[Clam]

this is the way I see it
most of the botters are chinese cause their pot has a 1 sec delay (captain obvious)
they created euros with a 15 sec delay so they cant bot
euros when playing together can grind much faster than chinese
trust me euros can lvl much faster than chinese
for example see Asyamura from venus, he got to 90 legitly before ANYONE else on venus
can pvp much better than the chinese when as a pt, for example Avalon in venus at the first fortress war had less people than the bots and were a lot lower lvls
they perfected the euro pt play and pwned all the other guilds and won the fw
EDIT: Avalon almost always doesnt have the numbers at fw but they have perfected the euro pt play and can take on large numbers. I once saw 8 legits take on 50+ people at a time....it was epic lol

[Shadowfox542]

the only euro class that has advantage over Chinese imo is any build with warlock main/sub...doesn't mean that if a Chinese pvp any euro with warlock is a guarantee lost but but its much more difficult to pvp, depending on how many times you stun/get stun/ur pill spam timing.

all other euro builds with non-warlock sub are not too hard to pvp against.

If a chinese pvp's any decent warlock, the warlock wins. Stun->disease->stun->Hidden->sleep then its over.....

Personally, I am a rogue/cleric and I very rarely lose...No sun or anything, but weapon switching allows me to always have healing cycle, combined with Xbow KB/KD and the Mortal wounds trick...Yea.

However, I think Euro warriors are not over powered.
Vs Nukers: Snow...bless+screens is 90 seconds. If its s/s (from my experience, most are) then once your skins are down if they get a few KD's on you your done.

Vs Glaviers: Glaviers can sometimes outdamage screens or bless, but not both. 2H tends to pwn glaviers.

Vs Bladers: opposite of glaivers. They can just KD you until your buffs end, and every time that you land dare devil with a crit they can just castle shield you. Once your buffs are done, it just ends up being if they can land division on you and finish you, or just KD with some crits.

Rogues run into issues with the higher defense builds. Glaviers in prot/armor tend to challenge me, largely because it seems like everytime I try and use KD->dd->Mortal wounds on them I weapon lag, then cast DD as they get up, then get stunned >.<


Chinese have a lot going for them anyhow. Just gotta find a good build and play it well. Bladers tend to be the easiest to fit in this group. Pretty easy to play, and can tank very well. A rogue uses stealth on you, after the first hit you can castle shield, KD and its over. Snow for nukers is a god send.

And, if you still can't beat str euros, make an str euro.

Party play is more fun/faster than solo.

GL.

Euro's can't bot

Lies. Xbow Rogues, Warriors, wizards, hell any of them can.

Ints just need all magical attack area...
Str's just go a few under, and the ones that use vigors tend to live...The ones with DD/CE don't.
Bards/Clerics can too, just a lot slower. Clerics have massive defense in LA, and I'm not sure if bot can use heal skills, but afiak they can.

Bards have nukes, and noise.

[Ragnorak]

this is the way I see it
most of the botters are chinese cause their pot has a 1 sec delay (captain obvious)
they created euros with a 15 sec delay so they cant bot
euros when playing together can grind much faster than chinese
trust me euros can lvl much faster than chinese
for example see Asyamura from venus, he got to 90 legitly before ANYONE else on venus
can pvp much better than the chinese when as a pt, for example Avalon in venus at the first fortress war had less people than the bots and were a lot lower lvls
they perfected the euro pt play and pwned all the other guilds and won the fw
EDIT: Avalon almost always doesnt have the numbers at fw but they have perfected the euro pt play and can take on large numbers. I once saw 8 legits take on 50+ people at a time....it was epic lol

don't want to start an argument of botters/legits here....
but I seen euros bot but just as fine as Chinese botters..and when it comes to pvp by euros they don't have a 15 sec pot delay...HP grains says 3 sec..but its actually 5 sec AND you can you can use vigor grains b/w those 5 sec+the holy recovery/orbit (if cleric sub)....about the 8 vs 50,,,,idk what you mean my "taking" 50 at one time....if you mean its possible for them to stay alive yes,if its an army of chinese. some1 dies>>>immolation>>>some1 else dies >>>immolation.... 8 vs 16 would be more then overkill if it was euro vs euro..specially if a warlock is the pt.

maybe this is why Avalon never lost the fort...since when they mean legits vs botters...I guess its..... Majority of euros legits vs Majority of botters Chinese......I would like to see this in vice-versa where the majority of Chinese were legits (lol)and the majority of euros were botters...I can almost see a clear picture of who will be holding the fort.

lets not start flaming/ stay on topic plz -,-

[endymion]

I think the game is balanced as it is right now....all build have a counterpart and all skills have a counterpart. The problem is that players dont think they just use the same skills in a row everytime. Every1 says that locks are chinese rapers in part they are but theres always wall to cast =). And euro str chars can die too

[ImmortalKiller]

don't want to start an argument of botters/legits here....
but I seen euros bot but just as fine as Chinese botters..and when it comes to pvp by euros they don't have a 15 sec pot delay...HP grains says 3 sec..but its actually 5 sec AND you can you can use vigor grains b/w those 5 sec+the holy recovery/orbit (if cleric sub)....about the 8 vs 50,,,,idk what you mean my "taking" 50 at one time....if you mean its possible for them to stay alive yes,if its an army of chinese. some1 dies>>>immolation>>>some1 else dies >>>immolation.... 8 vs 16 would be more then overkill if it was euro vs euro..specially if a warlock is the pt.

maybe this is why Avalon never lost the fort...since when they mean legits vs botters...I guess its..... Majority of euros legits vs Majority of botters Chinese......I would like to see this in vice-versa where the majority of Chinese where legits (lol)and the majority of euros where botters...I can almost see a clear picture of who will be holding the fort.

lets not start flaming/ stay on topic plz -,-

So, what you're saying is...

"I'll feed fuel to the fire, but I'll tell the fire not to burn it."

[Clam]

this is the way I see it
most of the botters are chinese cause their pot has a 1 sec delay (captain obvious)
they created euros with a 15 sec delay so they cant bot
euros when playing together can grind much faster than chinese
trust me euros can lvl much faster than chinese
for example see Asyamura from venus, he got to 90 legitly before ANYONE else on venus
can pvp much better than the chinese when as a pt, for example Avalon in venus at the first fortress war had less people than the bots and were a lot lower lvls
they perfected the euro pt play and pwned all the other guilds and won the fw
EDIT: Avalon almost always doesnt have the numbers at fw but they have perfected the euro pt play and can take on large numbers. I once saw 8 legits take on 50+ people at a time....it was epic lol

don't want to start an argument of botters/legits here....
but I seen euros bot but just as fine as Chinese botters..and when it comes to pvp by euros they don't have a 15 sec pot delay...HP grains says 3 sec..but its actually 5 sec AND you can you can use vigor grains b/w those 5 sec+the holy recovery/orbit (if cleric sub)....about the 8 vs 50,,,,idk what you mean my "taking" 50 at one time....if you mean its possible for them to stay alive yes,if its an army of chinese. some1 dies>>>immolation>>>some1 else dies >>>immolation.... 8 vs 16 would be more then overkill if it was euro vs euro..specially if a warlock is the pt.

maybe this is why Avalon never lost the fort...since when they mean legits vs botters...I guess its..... Majority of euros legits vs Majority of botters Chinese......I would like to see this in vice-versa where the majority of Chinese were legits (lol)and the majority of euros were botters...I can almost see a clear picture of who will be holding the fort.

lets not start flaming/ stay on topic plz -,-

yeah i think that is why they have never lost the fort
but if most of the botters were euro like avalon they wouldnt be as good cause they didnt practice their build like the legits and they wouldnt know their role in the pt. i wouldnt say that majority of bots are chinese actually their are plenty of euro bots on venus they just dont know how to euro pt play

[MooMooMoo]

China Pot has very little pot delay, but in return they are weak
Euro Pot Delay is Omg, but in return they are much stronger, imo

[SoundBurst]

Whoever said Joymax was fair, I hope the triangular conflict thing with the races will happen but something tells me Islam will be even worse lol

[JoyFax]

Bich/light/ice nukers are weak? o.0
Pach/fire/ice full str archers are weak? o.0
glaviers are weak?
and the list goes on...

It depends on how you play the char and the gear you have... I think chinese are good too.

[the_wicked]

HP grains and vigor grains circumvent pot delay.

1/2 HP back every 4 (?) seconds...

16k hp back....add to it 2473 hp / few sec from HRD....and cycle....insta heals to max hp

20k crits....bleed...stun....tankability....dull....knockdown....knockback.


yeh, warriors rock.