BH, a new low

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:54 pm

Pif lost the account that is all we know. No, we didnt post it everywhere because we were hoiping that when he went offline that we could somehow figure out how to get it back... We have come to the conclusion that we cannot. If you would like me to get the real Pif in here to tell you that he cannot get his account back, I will when he gets on. He is rather distraught and atm is swearing he is going to quit, like most hacked ppl with high level accounts.

I guess if you would like to justify keeping the item in some way, fine, justify away...

But there are members of your guild that have known Pif almost as long as I have. Why dont you ask them....

NanDesKa · Post by **NanDesKa** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:45 pm

I'm sure the story has been told quite clearly based on replies so far. So i'm gonna tell my part

The SoS headgear is with me currently. The person who picked it up trusts me enough to use it while i try to find a buyer for it.

I'm sorry to hear of a Lv70 acc getting hacked. We all know how hard it is to get to the cap without bots and get urself nicely pimped with seal equipments. Sorry to say this, but no i'm not handing it back.

I believe anybody sane out there would do the same thing. I don't know AncientPif be it in game or in real life. To me, he's just a stranger like thousands of people in the server. We got the item in a legit way so what's the hoo haa about it?

We all know how NB likes to bash BHA for god knows why. My opinion is, this is just another opportunity to further badmouth us. Dude, why haven't we heard of the hacking before this incident? No globals, no nothing about it. Its after a precious item is in question, do you step out and tell me its low to sell it off blah blah.

Are you one step away from telling me to hand it over to you so that u could return it to its rightful owner? I have no clue. Ur integrity, if there's still any left, is unclear on it own. Even if the rightful owner of AncientPif creates a new char and asks for it back, i still would not do it. I'd like to think your involvement in this issue has made me all the more unwilling to take an angel's stand towards this. The infamous NakedGirl incident sounds familiar?

To add on, for a hacker that assumed control of a lv70 account. It just doesn't make much of a sense to be popping with it in fully pimped gear. Hackers make lives miserable by spoiling the account, taking what's valuable and leave you with nothing.

So do what it is you would hope of if you were in my shoes, give me the benefit of the doubt coz AncientPif isn't a real life friend to tell me for sure. Suck up the jealousy that you weren't the lucky guy and carrying on bashing up BHA like we are truly so concerned of 1 person's neverending infatuation of us.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:27 pm

To add on, for a hacker that assumed control of a lv70 account. It just doesn't make much of a sense to be popping with it in fully pimped gear. Hackers make lives miserable by spoiling the account, taking what's valuable and leave you with nothing.

On wong they kept all his gear and i had good shit they just sold it on

NanDesKa · Post by **NanDesKa** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:35 pm

Master_wong wrote:nan for the sake of keep there union an allie maybe return it i mean put your self in that position and my position i dont want to buy my own char back i bet he dont want to buy his SoS back there alliance has always been nice to us be nice to them

To add on, for a hacker that assumed control of a lv70 account. It just doesn't make much of a sense to be popping with it in fully pimped gear. Hackers make lives miserable by spoiling the account, taking what's valuable and leave you with nothing.

On wong they kept all his gear and i had good shit they just sold it on

With all due respect that u were an ex guildmate, if you don't know the real story behind it, keep your nose out of it. I do not need to be told what to do. Union ally? On whose part?

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:41 pm

true well said but i know how it feels to be hacked which is the main reason i joined this thread

Moogie · Post by **Moogie** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:21 pm

Ugh. All because you can't just be nice. Who cares if he got hacked or not? What difference does it really make to you? Just be a decent-hearted player and give the item back; it's no skin off your nose. Is it?

Neither of you seem capable of doing the mature thing and just settling it without making a huge drama out of such a small incident. If y'all were just decent players, the first side would ask for it back nicely (which they did, let me point out), and the other side would just say "Ok, fine, here you go, no hard feelings", and everyone would carry on their merry way.

Ingame dramas like this happen every hour, but that is where they should stay: ingame. The moment it gets dragged onto a forum for a public flaming match is the moment it gets taken an embarassing step too far for all parties concerned.

Nobody here has "integrity", especially not the ones to start such threads in the first place. Settle it in private, kids.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:32 pm

she is right then you dont get peeps like me jumping in...

FBIRem · Post by **FBIRem** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:38 pm

Don't take this the wrong way, but with a glaive gained the way yours was nightbloom. I wouldn't trust a thing you said if it involved a very pricey item.

If I saw fly in murderer and was somehow able to kill him and he dropped his armor. I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem telling me Fly was hacked or scammed or something to get it back.

EDIT: Re-looking at that there isn't a right way to take it, ignore the pretext. Take it as it's worth.

WrEcK · Post by **WrEcK** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:41 pm

Aww i knew AncientPif...yesterday when i was trading...he was following us in a thief suit. He seemed like a nice guy when i saw him PvP with some people...that would suck if he got hacked.

illumi · Post by **illumi** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:45 pm

NanDesKa wrote:no i'm not handing it back.

dont expect sympothy if you get hacked buddy.

lakestone · Post by **lakestone** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:15 pm

Haha give him a break, ask youself honeslty if you picked up a 40m~ item just like that, out of a stranger, wouldn't you keep it? They don't even deserve to get it back for all the crap nightbloom have given BHA. Call me whatever you want but don't come here and play Mr. nice guy.

The whole thing doesnt make sence btw. Ancient is thieving - for some reason he turns murder status - he gets killed - drops a sos piece - beggs to get it back - and boom suddenly he is hacked...

the.unseen. · Post by **the.unseen.** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:19 pm

zzzzzzzzzzz

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:36 pm

The whole thing doesnt make sence btw. Ancient is thieving - for some reason he turns murder status - he gets killed - drops a sos piece - beggs to get it back - and boom suddenly he is hacked...

pif was my co-leader. ask phunky if he was guildless or not when he went red. thats proff enough. the vent we all use, it belongs to pif. he pays for it each month.

hacker got his password changed. pif is debating weather to chargeback and get his own legit level 70 account banned, or try and contact the gm's. he has a new level 25 nuker, which he kinda quit since he cant find time to level anymore.

im sure SuicideGrl will figure the whole thing out and have it resolved.

bye bye now.

Moogie wrote:Ugh. All because you can't just be nice. Who cares if he got hacked or not? What difference does it really make to you? Just be a decent-hearted player and give the item back; it's no skin off your nose. Is it?

Neither of you seem capable of doing the mature thing and just settling it without making a huge drama out of such a small incident. If y'all were just decent players, the first side would ask for it back nicely (which they did, let me point out), and the other side would just say "Ok, fine, here you go, no hard feelings", and everyone would carry on their merry way.

Ingame dramas like this happen every hour, but that is where they should stay: ingame. The moment it gets dragged onto a forum for a public flaming match is the moment it gets taken an embarassing step too far for all parties concerned.

Nobody here has "integrity", especially not the ones to start such threads in the first place. Settle it in private, kids.

well said. +1

waldo · Post by **waldo** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:26 pm

Fly wrote:hacker got his password changed. pif is debating weather to chargeback and get his own legit level 70 account banned, or try and contact the gm's. he has a new level 25 nuker, which he kinda quit since he cant find time to level anymore.

To be honest I wouldnt charge back and get the account banned unless the hacker decides to use the account as his own personal account. If he changed the password and email address I would go and actually phone Joymax. I know they probably wouldnt understand english but what more is there to lose? Call them and tell them that he can show them valid ID (if he entered his real name) such as a driver's license to get the account back.

waldo · Post by **waldo** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:27 pm

Fly wrote:hacker got his password changed. pif is debating weather to chargeback and get his own legit level 70 account banned, or try and contact the gm's. he has a new level 25 nuker, which he kinda quit since he cant find time to level anymore.

To be honest I wouldnt charge back and get the account banned unless the hacker decides to use the account as his own personal account. If he changed the password and email address I would go and actually phone Joymax. I know they probably wouldnt understand english but what more is there to lose? Call them and tell them that he can show them valid ID (if he entered his real name) such as a driver's license to get the account back. And reread the policy and see Joymax's stance about hacked accounts and involve the court or something.

Asharon · Post by **Asharon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:33 pm

Hacked? Bull Shit is all I can say to that. I was there for the entire thimg. Pif Was poping on Jangan side all day so I ask for some help in killing him. Tax And Blue feather both raged and killed him the him horse. Babyvegas put on her theif suit and stold the load.

Pif waited for their rage to go away and he got back up and killed Tax and Blue. Blue resed Tax and I and we killed him again. He used another res scroll and killed us again.

Tax used a res scroll and kept him busy untill Blue was back again and they got him again. He used another res scroll and murdered Tax and Babyvegas. We let union members know he was in Murder with all his gear on. People came and he was killed and dropped his head gear and Baby's monkey picked it up.

Just because he has murder stat and dropped an item you think he has been hacked? He went murder under his own will, and fully knows that that can drop gear if you die.

We asked him if he wanted to buy it back and he said he had another one and if we don't believe him to come see.

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:42 pm

Just because he has murder stat and dropped an item you think he has been hacked? He went murder under his own will, and fully knows that that can drop gear if you die.

no. i "know" he has been hacked because he has been in vent trying to figure out ways to get his account back for the past 4 days. also guildless for the past 4 days. oh and, ksing me in the caves when i asked for the account back.

sunny rays · Post by **sunny rays** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:46 pm

dunno if this helps but I managed to track down the headgear:

yeah its being sold for 50mill

Asharon · Post by **Asharon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:01 pm

Fly wrote:no. i "know" he has been hacked because he has been in vent trying to figure out ways to get his account back for the past 4 days. also guildless for the past 4 days. oh and, ksing me in the caves when i asked for the account back.

I did realize that he was unguilded the earlier day but I thought that couldve been for numerous other reasons than being hacked. He just wasn't acting like a traditional hacker. Normally a hacker would make a characters life a living hell with murder stats for no reason etc. He seemed to be acting normal 1 star popping on Jangan side and got pissed that we jacked his load (which was alittle weird that he went murder over that.)

But if Fly has talked to him and he is unguilded for being hacked then I could beleive it. Under those circumstances if he got his account back I would give the item back. If he doesn't then why should she give the hacker the item back.

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:08 pm

the hacker wont delevel a free 70 char since he managed to change the password.

i guess u could always give the item back to _ice_. level 27 nuker that pif made after being hacked.

u got the item. its ur move to make. w/e u and sui end up doing, ill have to live with.

Moogie · Post by **Moogie** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:43 pm

Fly wrote:the hacker wont delevel a free 70 char since he managed to change the password.

i guess u could always give the item back to _ice_. level 27 nuker that pif made after being hacked.

u got the item. its ur move to make. w/e u and sui end up doing, ill have to live with.

^ I appauld the calm level-headedness you exhibit, Fly, and would hope others take example from you.

Asharon · Post by **Asharon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:27 pm

Fly wrote:u got the item. its ur move to make. w/e u and sui end up doing, ill have to live with.

Like Blue said our only intent was to kill the murder like any ordinary palyer would do. Everything seemed "normal" and none of us were aware that he was hacked.

I know the person who got the item and im quite sure that she will not return it, thats the way she is. If it was my call I would give it to his 27 char to help him out but thats not my call. I can attempt to talk to her about the incident to see if I can help Pif out for his loss of a lvl 70 account.

Everyone is way to quick to flame in this game it is rediculous. I was pretty quick to jump on you and Nightbloom about him getting hacked, which after thinking about it I do believe now, and I hope we can work out a good conclusion after this whole ordeal.

solmanic · Post by **solmanic** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:44 pm

It looks to me like there are a lot of strange circumstances involving this incident. Saying BHA has stooped to a new low because of this is pretty outlandish.

The entire circumstance stinks. Clearly the person that hacked the account knows how to play the character. Otherwise he would be atleast semi-noobish in his abilities to utilize all the skills.

Perhaps this was an x friend of piffs. Who knows. I do know that perhaps if nb wasnt so hateful in every single thread she posts in about BHA, then perhaps this wouldnt have happened and the helm would have been returned.

Fly allows those involved to make the decision and will live with it which in my opinion shows a lot of class. NB threatening and giving ultimatums is definatly not. Who wants to be told what they should do when it comes to a moral question. From what I hear NB isnt the person to be preaching ethics or morals anyways.

In summary, stop bashing eachother in the forums and instead be a mortal enemy in game. War, job war, ect. Why bring it into RL. Keep it in the game.

PB_and_J · Post by **PB_and_J** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:07 pm

1 thing I want to know: How did NB find out that he lost his headgear. The only thing I could think of is that the hacker was saying everything he did every moment he was on to her, even then why did she first think that he lost his glaive...

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:35 pm

Pif is a murderer? I was right there outside the ravine and he ran straight past me without killing me for some reason. And i thought Pif sold his account?

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:19 pm

Fly wrote:the hacker wont delevel a free 70 char since he managed to change the password.

i guess u could always give the item back to _ice_. level 27 nuker that pif made after being hacked.

u got the item. its ur move to make. w/e u and sui end up doing, ill have to live with.

Fly, i have heard all sides of the argument now. i have to admit that at first it was diffucult to believe he was hacked, but you know i respect you, and if you say a thing is true, i give it more weight than if it comes from certain others.

I think what Moogie said is very true: your side asked for it nicely. i will take some steps on this issue and get in touch with you in-game as soon as i can.

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:25 pm

if pif was hacked wouldnt that mean that __ice__ got hacked to?

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:59 pm

DragonTalon wrote:if pif was hacked wouldnt that mean that __ice__ got hacked to?

Made after he got hacked, probably on a different account.

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:12 am

while the 2 strongest legit guilds fight each other, the botters go unchallanged:

i got an idea. we put our drama crap aside and work on getting strong enough to fight together against these crappy botter guilds.

ps: too bad i could not get a spy into oWn. there roster looks the same, all botters too.

JihadJulia · Post by **JihadJulia** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:26 am

If there's going to be senseless drama and arguing over something neither party is going to back down on, why don't you do it through private messages rather than stirring up all this rancor on the forum?

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