fire/ice/bicheon or bicheon/Light/ice or .....

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Shell I make a
fire90, ice90, bicehon90 nuker or a
light90, ice90, bicheon90 nuker or a
light60, cold60, bicheon 90 fire90 nuker
????

[conkker]

Shell I make a
fire90, ice90, bicehon90 nuker or a
light90, ice90, bicheon90 nuker or a
light60, cold60, bicheon 90 fire90 nuker
????

With light cold bicheon, you are strong in pvp, got powerfull nuke, mag attack increase and phy defence.


OHHH I forget, you got SPEED!!!

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but some players skilled fire? why they do this?
i thought that lightning =mag atk increase, speed, powerfull nuke is the best for a nuker

[raphaell666]

Shell I make a
fire90, ice90, bicehon90 nuker or a
Damage and mag/phy defense.
light90, ice90, bicheon90 nuker or a
Damage, phy defense and speed/mobility.
light60, cold60, bicheon 90 fire90 nuker
Don't do this one.

but some players skilled fire? why they do this?
i thought that lightning =mag atk increase, speed, powerfull nuke is the best for a nuker
Because they prefer mag defense over speed and mobility. Using fire/cold, as far as I know, you won't be losing real damage if comparing it to using only light/cold because both fire imbue and fire nukes are stronger than light ones.

[aishsharma]

Shell I make a
fire90, ice90, bicehon90 nuker or a
Damage and mag/phy defense.
light90, ice90, bicheon90 nuker or a
Damage, phy defense and speed/mobility.
light60, cold60, bicheon 90 fire90 nuker
Don't do this one.

but some players skilled fire? why they do this?
i thought that lightning =mag atk increase, speed, powerfull nuke is the best for a nuker
Because they prefer mag defense over speed and mobility. Using fire/cold, as far as I know, you won't be losing real damage if comparing it to using only light/cold because both fire imbue and fire nukes are stronger than light ones.

+1
fire gives u higher defence for almost the same amt of dmg and if u r smart u can use both fire/ice walls and be a euro killer(yet to experience euro killer but im hopeful)
however this is like an int tanker so has low mobility and speed(by mobility i mean u lose teleport)


as for light/cold 60 build its not bad but i wud advise going spear hybrid(85-87%mag balance) otherwise u wont live long in pvp
another con of this build is u only get 1-2 nukes, i.e. fire nukes, all other nukes will be too low lvl by 90-100 cap to be useful

[raphaell666]

as for light/cold 60 build its not bad but i wud advise going spear hybrid(85-87%mag balance) otherwise u wont live long in pvp
another con of this build is u only get 1-2 nukes, i.e. fire nukes, all other nukes will be too low lvl by 90-100 cap to be useful

That's true, but I was saying it was not good for a pure int anyways. Another problem about 60light/60cold is that when the cap goes higher you'll have problems with the masteries limit.

[aishsharma]

as for light/cold 60 build its not bad but i wud advise going spear hybrid(85-87%mag balance) otherwise u wont live long in pvp
another con of this build is u only get 1-2 nukes, i.e. fire nukes, all other nukes will be too low lvl by 90-100 cap to be useful

That's true, but I was saying it was not good for a pure int anyways. Another problem about 60light/60cold is that when the cap goes higher you'll have problems with the masteries limit.

at 100 cap no but if we really see the 140 cap then probbly

[raphaell666]

at 100 cap no but if we really see the 140 cap then probbly

What would be your build at 100 cap sire? Note:

At 90cap/90lvl:
90heuksal/90fire/60cold/60light
30 levels difference between 60cold and/or light and your lvl.
90 cold: 264 phy def, 53% snow shield;
60 cold: 84 phy def, 40% snow shield.
Huge decrease, but you being hybrid that wouldn't change that much, though still extremely noticeable.
90 light: 18% mag atk, 77% moving speed, 22.5m ghost walk;
60 light: 15% mag atk, 59% moving speed, 19m ghost walk.
Would not lose much, really.

Now,
At 100cap/100lvl:
100heuksal/100fire/50light/50cold?
50 levels difference between 50 cold and/or light and your lvl.
100 cold: 336 phy def, 60% snow shield;
50 cold: 36 phy def, 33% snow shield.
Must I continue comparing?

Or, you may say:
At 100cap/100lvl:
100heuksal/100fire/60cold/40light.
40 difference between cold and your level, and 60 between light and your level.
100 cold: 336 phy def, 60% snow shield;
60 cold: 84 phy def, 40% snow shield.
100 light: 18% mag atk, 77% moving speed, 23.5m ghost walk;
40 light: 10% mag atk, 47% moving speed, 12.0m ghost walk.

If it's not any of these, then it'd be another different build.

My conclusion: For a hybrid with 85-87% mag balance (like aishsharma said):
90cap: 90heuksal/90fire/60light/60cold = Could be, but I'd never suggest that.
100cap: That build's unfeasible.

That's more for a 70:70 build, which would also probably have problems at higher caps, but maybe not so much like this one.

My suggestion for a hybrid spear 85-87% mag balance would be this: 90heuksal/90light/90cold.

[aishsharma]

ice/light 50
huek/fire 100

u get more hp frm hybrid build+passive to make up for loss in defence
40light/60 ice wud still work since new fire imbue wud make fr it enough

maybe this wont work idk but doesnt seem like a big problem for 100cap


but ur right huek/ice/light 100 is a good hybrid build probably better and easier, i was just pointing out something u missed

[iDoDirt]

Shell I make a
fire90, ice90, bicehon90 nuker or a
Damage and mag/phy defense.
light90, ice90, bicheon90 nuker or a
Damage, phy defense and speed/mobility.
light60, cold60, bicheon 90 fire90 nuker
Don't do this one.

but some players skilled fire? why they do this?
i thought that lightning =mag atk increase, speed, powerfull nuke is the best for a nuker
Because they prefer mag defense over speed and mobility. Using fire/cold, as far as I know, you won't be losing real damage if comparing it to using only light/cold because both fire imbue and fire nukes are stronger than light ones.

+1
fire gives u higher defence for almost the same amt of dmg and if u r smart u can use both fire/ice walls and be a euro killer(yet to experience euro killer but im hopeful)
however this is like an int tanker so has low mobility and speed(by mobility i mean u lose teleport)


as for light/cold 60 build its not bad but i wud advise going spear hybrid(85-87%mag balance) otherwise u wont live long in pvp
another con of this build is u only get 1-2 nukes, i.e. fire nukes, all other nukes will be too low lvl by 90-100 cap to be useful

1st. Im a fire/cold/bich(Pure int). In overall id say its better, light might have a slight advantage vs STR's but not much because light has only 2 usefull nukes vs them. On 100cap it will only be 1, a lvl 100 one and a 86 one. Have fun nuking a 100FF with a nuke 14lvs lower.
My build is fire/bich 90, cold 80, light 40. Which gives me enough phy def n high snowshield imo. Plus, if u play it right yes its a eurokiller! Easier with the ice/fire walls also. Not saying i stomp euros easy. It's hard n takes skill n some luck. Same goes for them to kill me.
And 1 more thing bout the fire nukes. U have 3 usefull ones on 90, not 2. Wide and HellFire do the high dmg. And Bomb might not do as much dmg, but casts faster than all the other firenukes which makes it usefull in pvp too. As a starting attack, or even a finisher.
And btw. A firenuker beats a lightnuker anyday. Cause of the mag def and most light/ice are not immune. Which a firenuker can take advantage of by using ice imbue.
And the 18% mag dmg loss of light, u dont notice a thing of that.. My dmg is pretty much equal to lightnukers. If not, my dmg will still be better in the long run since fire has 3 good nukes, light just 2.
Anyways, that was my opinion coming from a firenuker i guess . Goodluck xD

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lol i like this fire nukes^^
but do the fire nukes+ fire imbue 18% more dmg than an lightning nuker without the buff 18% more dmg? to get the same dmg

it is hard to decide^^

[raphaell666]

but do the fire nukes+ fire imbue 18% more dmg than an lightning nuker without the buff 18% more dmg? to get the same dmg

You probably won't notice a damage difference.

it is hard to decide^^

You have to choose between speed/mobility (or light nukes) or mag defense (or fire nukes), literally. If you prefer fire nukes and don't mind losing speed/mobility then go fire/cold.

[Kazook]

Lvling with fire nukes will also be a much slower.

[aishsharma]

if u dont want to lose either u can do the ice/light/fire 90 build

u hve max dmg and can use wichever nuke u want
will lvl fast and be gr8 for grp pvp/jobs

as for solo pvp the build shud work if u can strategise a bit. if u cant then dont bother urself much solo imo is just pure mad fun if ur into it.

u go infront of gate, kill whoever u can, die get up and repeat, doesnt really affect anythng.

well hope u can choose goodluck

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hmmmm i think i go lightning because the most are lightning nuker

i do not want that i have to skill fire back because it is shit^^