Rate this Pure INT Archer

ln · Post by ln » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:28 am

Hey guys, my sro game has mainly been making spear and glaive characters (tried making a pure int sword to lvl 5x and quitted it as i dun enjoy it). and yeah, i did try a few euro but i didnt enjoy them either.

I also try not to make common builds and have done things like light-glaive (instead of fire) and ice-spear (instead of light), love them both.

So far, none of my characters have hit caps yet. But i have been having this desire to make an archer some time and alternate with the 1 character i am playing at the moment. So i'd like to share a build which i think i will like to make in future for folks here to discuss. And perhaps some folks may like it enough to try it on their own ...

The STATS
ALL stats to INT. To max mag dmg.
This INT Archer is truly a sniper that maximizes the range advantage. It should avoid contact/melee attacks against opponents. You may try hybrid if you think you are going to stick around to tank while trading blows.

Chinese Bow Skills - 90lvl
(Only need 2 attack skills + 2 bow buffs.)
+ Arrow Combo - for the knockbacks
+ Strong Bow - for the stun
+ Hawk - your choice. max whole series or decide on the type of hawk you want. I would say the white/blue hawks for max attack ratings will be more useful.
+ Break Heaven - for max range
+ Mind concentration (passive) - max this for max attack ratings.

Lightning force Tree - 90lvl
+ Max ALL.

Cold force Tree - 90lvl
+ Cold force - optional. I'd recommend max this. There will be significant % of players that are not frostbite/freeze immune.
+ Frost guard - max this for phy def.
+ Frost wall - many say lvl 1 will do. You may max this if you get enough sp.
+ Snow Shield - max this. Just to reduce your chance of getting 1 hit.
+ Cold Armor (passive) - max this for phy def.

Fire force Tree - 30lvl
+ Fire shield - max to as much as lvl 30 allows. Get lucky with alchemy to be ice immune.
+ Fire protection - max to as much as lvl 30 allows. just adding a tiny bit more of mag def.
+ Fire wall - max to as much as lvl 30 allows. to prevent getting debuff and knockback/stun/other status effects when wall is up.

Total sp : ~ 751,878

Play style : attack from a distance. spam arrow combo and strong bow. and if opponent still charging towards you, lion shouts or light nukes. when engaged, teleport away or ice/fire wall. if you maxed the cold imbue and face a player that is not immune to cold effects, you may just be untouchable.

Why cant a pure str archer do the same?
Pure str archer can also work. But the dmg per strike will be lower than a pure int. Pure str will have to depend on crits, which will be weaker compared to a fire-bow that will have +phy dmg buffs and passive. And so the pure str should also max the Anti-Devil bow series. Emphasis of this build is strike from a distance and avoid contact through use of maximum speed and teleport.

Chinese bow is all abt crit, wouldnt a pure int be wasting a bow mastery?
Yes and no. Pure int cant maximize crit dmg. But that is being made up for with higher mag dmg per strike instead of waiting for an all powerful crit. Pure int bow depends on knockback and stun effects. Prior to these skills added, pure int bows are pretty useless.

What gears should this wear?
Garment. Again, think only abt speed. Protector or Armor if you think you wanna stick around and tank a bit, or making a hybrid instead.

Both bow skills and nukes are ranged attacks, wouldnt pure int archer be wasting on similar ranged attack skills?
No. Bow skills have a further reach. You can engage your enemy at ranges greater than your nukes. And since this build is all abt speed and range, you would be at great disadvantage when within melee range.

Oh shoot! Sorry folks that have voted, tried to accommodate 1 more option and it got reset. Pls feel free to vote again. Thanks.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:02 am

Uhm, no. Don't tell me you want to lose ice immunity at cap 100

ln · Post by ln » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:19 am

let's discuss abt 90 caps first and then 100 caps. so how well do you think this would work at 90?

at 100, depending on what is more important to you, snow shield or ice immunity. if snow shield, bow/light/cold 100. if immunity, bow/light/cold/fire 94/100/7x/3y (for the 6arrow combo) 98/100/7x/3y (for the stun and arrow combo). or it is going to be similar on what you would do with a sword/spear light cold fire build. the int bow is not going to be any worse off than the sword/spear.

_EagleEye_ · Post by **_EagleEye_** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:45 am

ln wrote: Total sp : ~ 751,878

dont forget u make about 200k sp from lvl1->90 so about 550k sp u need to farm :wink:

Tig3ress · Post by **Tig3ress** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:51 am

Bleh. Pure int bow = phail.

Kirkaldi · Post by **Kirkaldi** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:25 am

Pure Int Bow = WORST BUILD EVER

Dancin · Post by **Dancin** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:17 am

I think it's nice build I'm sure you can do more damage per second from distance with your arrows rather then a spear with these slow nukes

ln · Post by ln » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:33 pm

Tig3ress wrote:Bleh. Pure int bow = phail.

Kirkaldi wrote:Pure Int Bow = WORST BUILD EVER

LoL ... "fail" or "worst build" without offering much of your insight is not really that helpful to this discussion.

I hope you are not trapped in the age prior to 70 caps where bow skills have no disabling/canceling status skills. Chinese archers can now stun and kb.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:32 pm

ln wrote:
Tig3ress wrote:Bleh. Pure int bow = phail.

Kirkaldi wrote:Pure Int Bow = WORST BUILD EVER

LoL ... "fail" or "worst build" without offering much of your insight is not really that helpful to this discussion.

I hope you are not trapped in the age prior to 70 caps where bow skills have no disabling/canceling status skills. Chinese archers can now stun and kb.

+1

I don't know which build is better at lvling: a nuker or full int bow
the bow has a great distance advantage and can get nukes too(optional)
have yet to test it

even with the great HP disadvantage,
i think it is far better than any nuker vs Monsters
and WAY more effective than full str bow.

pvp is a kind of no go here though

ln · Post by ln » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:47 pm

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:pvp is a kind of no go here though

well, pure int bow may just do ok in pvp. kb > stun > shouts/nukes > phantom away. 100 caps will be 2x chance of kb.

i think a pure int bow's greatest nemesis would be a xbow and a pure str bow. xbow would have a longer range and pure str bow can tank long enough for that all important crit to take out the int bow. this pure int bow's greatest advantage is over all the melee attack classes and short range nukes.

willieb3 · Post by **willieb3** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:04 pm

it could be a good build if you took pach fire and cold because you could sit in walls and spam kb and with extra damage you could easily be good

ln · Post by ln » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:09 pm

that's another alternative. but i'd rather be more mobile and move around and attacking than sit in within the walls. but still, that's good if it suits your play style better.

lentebriesje · Post by **lentebriesje** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:25 pm

im farming a 1:1 bower

the crit's are pretty nice and dmg overall is pretty nice

with the right equip (sox) you can hit pretty nice ^^

about pvp... why pvp against pro's if you can pvp against turks killing lowbies

turks die so easy xD

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:28 pm

lentebriesje wrote:im farming a 1:1 bower

the crit's are pretty nice and dmg overall is pretty nice with the right equip (sox) you can hit pretty nice ^^

about pvp... why pvp against pro's if you can pvp against turks killing lowbies turks die so easy xD

they wont be any way to improve your skills :roll:

ln wrote:
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:pvp is a kind of no go here though

well, pure int bow may just do ok in pvp. kb > stun > shouts/nukes > phantom away. 100 caps will be 2x chance of kb.

i think a pure int bow's greatest nemesis would be a xbow and a pure str bow. xbow would have a longer range and pure str bow can tank long enough for that all important crit to take out the int bow. this pure int bow's greatest advantage is over all the melee attack classes and short range nukes.

true, my bad:
i meant jobbing.. but what you said counts there too..

but pure ints will truly bloom in pvp after getting the 6 arrow combo

raphaell666 · Post by **raphaell666** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:13 am

I see no problem in this char except for its low hp which can be sort of avoided by using snow shield and KB's. I say this build, depending on your playing style, will be pretty good. I still believe though it'd do better being at least slightly hybrid for more hp (like 10-20 lvls of str). By the way, yeah, I do love chinese hybrids, so it'd be more like a personal preference. For this build I agree the best choice would be 90pach/90light/90cold/30fire for the reasons In already stated. Ice immunity will very probably be a problem for some people, not just for this build, after 90 cap, but notice that this build has a, I believe, high probability of not being touched by other players when in pvp, cause of high damage, kb's and long distance. If your enemy is immune to ice, then he will either not have cold among his maxed masteries (which against you'll have no problem related to ice immunity - he won't be able to freeze you, but neither will you be able to freeze him), or have 100weap/100fire/100cold, where he will be really slow for not having light, and then speed and long distance would be your main friends against this person, if it has cold imbue maxed. By the way, good topic and argumentation In.

dannoob · Post by **dannoob** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:05 am

Actually pure int archers are insanely strong.

I got bored and made one pure int pach, light, fire for max dmg XD.
But ya the build is basically reliant on mass kb and stun. In PvE they rock, can even ks gold bots ^^
As for the crits crits only add the additional dmg that your skill/atk would do without imbue on. So if strong bow without imbue does 1k dmg and with imbue you do 5k, crit would only be about 6k =/

While not great for 1 v1 pvp, group pvp rocks =)

rck shx pike · Post by **rck shx pike** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:46 am

imo go for it. pure int bow sounds good on paper; nukes will be sweet and along with bow and arrows you will own. just don't do pvp unless you want your ass handed to you.

SoAyame · Post by **SoAyame** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:40 am

What bout when u feel as though u in tooo deep pull out s/s and just nuke. I say during snow shield bow but against ppl like bladers, bowers and xbow use s/s and just throw nukes if u cant keep them away. This build probably would be the fastest lvling chinese character i tried it before then i went hybrid its insanely strong u just cant live...and yea all bout speed but we all know SRO players controls are gay so even with speed ppl still gonna hit u i say go armor or protect garment is suicide. In pvp its all bout what survive and what can do mid damage. I bet that builds pwns in group pvp. :banghead:

ln · Post by ln » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:07 pm

thanks all for a very nicely discussed topic.

and spot on, SoAyame, as a nuker, regardless of what weapon you specialize in, there is no stopping you in pulling out a sword/shield during close contact battles such as fortress or guild wars. that is why i recommend white/blue hawks, that would make you the consistently hard-hitting chinese nuker out there. or hide in the maxed ice wall and start picking out your targets (whether with cold or lightning imbue) using bow skills or perhaps even spear for highest nuke dmg. (just pray hard you don't drop them should you get killed

)

pure int archer will really shine in fortress war, with the superior range on the bow, and consistent high nuke dmg.

and yes, on paper and discussion, it sure looks worth a try.

kukreknecmi · Post by **kukreknecmi** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:28 pm

I strongly suggest to open devil arrow too.

Strong bow + combo + devil + light nuke then phantom. Int bow is stronger than before. I gives you great gameplay as long as you have snow on. It can kill many s/s guys as long as you have snow. If you are planning to wear armor or armor/pro mixed you definityl need snow to kill other ints. Otherwise you dont stand a chance (without snow).

ln · Post by ln » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:05 pm

you could try that if you like, no harm, especially if you are a hybrid that can gain more dmg through crits. but i'm thinking you wont get the luxury of time of letting off a 3rd bow skill without getting within melee range of your opponent (supposing you failed to stun and knockback with your 1st 2 attacks). so i would rather lion shout or teleport or ice wall.

mike2007 · Post by **mike2007** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:53 pm

u forgot the "i actually read it and it still fails" option

Stephanus · Post by **Stephanus** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:15 pm

I have now a lvl80 full int bow on Eldo and as some said before me, it is awesome for pve.
Also, you will have difficulties in pvp, mainly against s/s and bladers, garment nukers are also a bane for you.
Any other build, wich uses armor/prot/heavy armor/light armor are easy to pwn. They cant take the volume of your dps.

Group pvp-s are awesome if you got ppl to tank for you/buffers, or you have a bower companion.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BVqJaf_-8 ... re=related
The allmighty glaiver got wtfpwned(not the later part, just the 2bow vs glaiver). If you meet a sun b1tch, you can easily disable him/her, probably you can enjoy some globals about your noobish behavior:D

raphaell666 · Post by **raphaell666** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:52 pm

Stephanus wrote:Group pvp-s are awesome if you got ppl to tank for you/buffers, or you have a bower companion.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BVqJaf_-8 ... re=related
The allmighty glaiver got wtfpwned(not the later part, just the 2bow vs glaiver). If you meet a sun b1tch, you can easily disable him/her, probably you can enjoy some globals about your noobish behavior:D

Rofl. That's extremeH4Xpwnage.

ln · Post by ln » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:44 am

mike2007 wrote:u forgot the "i actually read it and it still fails" option

LoL ... I can add that for folks like you, provided someone can help confirm that it will not mess up the existing vote counts.

Stephanus wrote:I have now a lvl80 full int bow on Eldo and as some said before me, it is awesome for pve.
Also, you will have difficulties in pvp, mainly against s/s and bladers, garment nukers are also a bane for you.
Any other build, wich uses armor/prot/heavy armor/light armor are easy to pwn. They cant take the volume of your dps.

Thanks for sharing that. What were the problems you faced in pvp, like you couldnt get enough KB and Stuns to keep those players away from you?

Stephanus · Post by **Stephanus** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:01 pm

ln wrote:*****

Thanks for sharing that. What were the problems you faced in pvp, like you couldnt get enough KB and Stuns to keep those players away from you?

Basicaly you main goal is to keep range. If a blader/sword gets close you're done. Chain -> stats -> nuke -> you are dead.
Also you have to think ahead, keep a shield with you and use it in bad situations. Probably you need to wait until the enemies manashield wears off. Bladers are the hardest opponents by far or 1hand warriors+cleric/warlock sub. Also i use combo only for emergency reasons, like i see the opponent to start an über nuke(wich is deadly for you without manashield, even for i am in full garm(sun&d9sos), i get 10k nuke!!! O.o), i use combo only when he starts a nuke+phantom away so i dont get shouts+str bow in his face -> he phantoms after me -> next combo +str bow and if i stun him, i give him devil bows(crits are USEFULL even if you are full int). The best thing is for me when i run out of manashield, i can use shield+sword for tanking/hopefully surviving+ and i use only shouts coz greater nukes make you immobile for 3 sec or more.
Keep the distance.
This is 1th priority for an int bow i think.
Here is my 2 cent

ln · Post by ln » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:00 pm

@ Stephanus : thanks for your great sharing. i wasnt expecting an easy ride anyway. and the challenges you faced are the main challenges of int bow. do you at times use icewall when things get a little too rough? also, i am thinking if the opponent is stun, depends whether he is nearly finished. if not, perhaps it's your chance to phantom away and re-start your attacks from a range again. and yes, shield/sword and perhaps even spears are nice to have in your inventory, can use them depending on situation. GREAT STUFF!!!

Stephanus · Post by **Stephanus** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:41 pm

ln wrote:@ Stephanus : thanks for your great sharing. i wasnt expecting an easy ride anyway. and the challenges you faced are the main challenges of int bow. do you at times use icewall when things get a little too rough? also, i am thinking if the opponent is stun, depends whether he is nearly finished. if not, perhaps it's your chance to phantom away and re-start your attacks from a range again. and yes, shield/sword and perhaps even spears are nice to have in your inventory, can use them depending on situation. GREAT STUFF!!!

I had the most fun with this build but beware!!!!
This build is fun, but D.I.F.F.I.C.U.L.T to play.
You need to master the secret art of goldmaking.
Coz you need a better gear, above average, probably sox, or at least +5 fullblue. Also, true strenght comes at later lvls, where the full int damage begins to shine and rise.

Sly · Post by **Sly** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:49 am

the way i see it, you are pure int and still lack the shield of a s/s, or the hp of a spear. while both s/s and spear also have snow as you, and interrupting skills like kd/kb, stun etc. you cant depend on them for long as you are mainly dependant on snow; if you spend too much time running away and using kb combo you will run out of snow shield yourself. warriors will sprint you and if you get kb or stun they will kill you in snow. blader , s/s will get you badly if they can kd. but i guess it will be an ok build for group when you are not getting hit. you are trading a shield or passive hp for range...

ln · Post by ln » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:50 pm

indeed. the thought for this pure int bow is to keep the distance and attack from a far. the moment you are within melee range, you would be at great disadvantage compared to spear and sword/shield pure int builds.

that's why i suggested that this can be a good build, provided played well. it's not easy and usual stand and trade damage type that we see so often in pvps.

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