Absorbtion = ???????

[Stephanus]

First of all, WELCOME BACK KONPAKU!!!!
>_<

I believed, absorbtion works like a multiplier.
pys 20 absorbtion mulitplies the received damager by 0.8 so 1000*0.8= 800 is what you receive.
BUT.

http://www.silkroadonline.wiki.br/skill ... =769#skill
You see the phys absorbtion?
So how is it working??
Im now clueless.

How does work this absorbtion thingy?

pls discuss

[PeroMed]

i think its just how much damage does the wall absorb.

So if it has 100 phy damage absorb, then if it gets hit with 1000 phy dmg it recieves
900 damage because 100 is absorbed.

[Stephanus]

i think its just how much damage does the wall absorb.

So if it has 100 phy damage absorb, then if it gets hit with 1000 phy dmg it recieves
900 damage because 100 is absorbed.

Thats not possible i think.
Just try out a base skill on your friend who has all the accessories but no armor.
You will see how much damage absorbs a ring or necklace.

Ps: with 100 absorbtion you got from your rings+etc and you defense you get like 2300-2400 mag def at lvl80-83 but you can hit a mangyang at this level aroun 80-120k....
and - lets say - 80k-2400 is still 77600...
So absorbtion doesnt works like that.

[kokidpham]

absorb is like snowshield
let say u have 40% damamge absorb its= 40% snow shield

[raphaell666]

absorb is like snowshield
let say u have 40% damamge absorb its= 40% snow shield

And how do you explain over 100% absorption?

[Disconn3cted]

maybe the wall is absorbing 105% of the damage you take into its hp? I guess 105% is because its somehow possible to get over 100% of your own dmg

[JKMB]

In the case of buffs, it absorbs by which ever are 1st in your buff screen and then absorbs a % from that. Eg; a rogue crits me for 10k, I have snow shield, that gives me 50% absorption, he hits me for 5k instead, I also have physical tambour, another 50% absorption (In reality the maxed tambour gives 47%, but for the purpose of this I will round it up) so he hits me for 2.5k, I also have a warrior physical fence which gives me 50%, so he hits me for 50% of 2.5k which is approx 1.7k dmg, that is how absorption stacks, with the jewellery on top of that, I have no idea.

[raphaell666]

maybe the wall is absorbing 105% of the damage you take into its hp? I guess 105% is because its somehow possible to get over 100% of your own dmg

100% = everything. Is there any way to get more than everything? I'm sure that the absorption from walls is not a percentage. I say it's some kind of ratio, though I have no idea of how the calculation is actually done. Note that snow shield IS in fact a percentage.

In the case of buffs, it absorbs by which ever are 1st in your buff screen and then absorbs a % from that. Eg; a rogue crits me for 10k, I have snow shield, that gives me 50% absorption, he hits me for 5k instead, I also have physical tambour, another 50% absorption (In reality the maxed tambour gives 47%, but for the purpose of this I will round it up) so he hits me for 2.5k, I also have a warrior physical fence which gives me 50%, so he hits me for 50% of 2.5k which is approx 1.7k dmg, that is how absorption stacks, with the jewellery on top of that, I have no idea.

I know, and those are percentage based absorptions. Don't know about jewelry neither.

[JKMB]

I always believed that the "absorption" on walls was the walls actual HP, how much dmg it could take before it was destroyed, if you pvp a european you will notice that while crystal wall is activated warriors do no dmg at all until the wall is down, chinese str can dmg you through the wall because of their imbue.
Tl;Dr: Wall absorption is the walls "HP", in other words, how much dmg it can take before it breaks, that is how I always thought it worked anyway..

[Stephanus]

I always believed that the "absorption" on walls was the walls actual HP, how much dmg it could take before it was destroyed, if you pvp a european you will notice that while crystal wall is activated warriors do no dmg at all until the wall is down, chinese str can dmg you through the wall because of their imbue.
Tl;Dr: Wall absorption is the walls "HP", in other words, how much dmg it can take before it breaks, that is how I always thought it worked anyway..

Thats not good either becoz a lowlvl icewall takes a LOT more damage than a highlvl (i tested it with lowbies) so my guess is that absorbtion rate is also % related at icewall and accs.
This is what puzzles me. How in the nine hell will work the 100+ absorbtion? O.o
If thats not a bug, then the most awesome skill in this game will be the Ice/fire wall.
*just a note:
perhaps this is why the wall drops after like 3-4 hits, even if it was hit with sloppy damage.

[NuclearSilo]

notice the word "rate" that's what differ the one on accessories. Although i don't know well how it works. Maybe it's the rate for 5s

[raphaell666]

notice the word "rate" that's what differ the one on accessories. Although i don't know well how it works. Maybe it's the rate for 5s

Damn, I thought you'd know ><

I always believed that the "absorption" on walls was the walls actual HP, how much dmg it could take before it was destroyed, if you pvp a european you will notice that while crystal wall is activated warriors do no dmg at all until the wall is down, chinese str can dmg you through the wall because of their imbue.
Tl;Dr: Wall absorption is the walls "HP", in other words, how much dmg it can take before it breaks, that is how I always thought it worked anyway..

Thats not good either becoz a lowlvl icewall takes a LOT more damage than a highlvl (i tested it with lowbies) so my guess is that absorbtion rate is also % related at icewall and accs.
This is what puzzles me. How in the nine hell will work the 100+ absorbtion? O.o
If thats not a bug, then the most awesome skill in this game will be the Ice/fire wall.
*just a note:
perhaps this is why the wall drops after like 3-4 hits, even if it was hit with sloppy damage.

I'm pretty sure it's not percentage. There's nothing specifically mentioning a percentage on the skill description, just a "rate" as NuclearSilo pointed out. I still believe it's some kind of ratio of how many hits you can take related to the wall's life or something like that.

[Stephanus]

Could some1 test damage reduction on different lvls of icewall?
Lets say for example with a lvl31 str bow skill dude(full str also).
Im here at my job so i cant do this now.
Plez halp

[PeroMed]

OK lets look at lvl 89 ice wall

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HP 13.710
Physical absorption rate 83
685 MP will be consumed to each 5 seconds

so if that would be 83% absorbtion then str char would have to hit you more than 10 times
to drop the wall.

I still think that dmg_recieved = original_damage - 83.

And i think walls aren't intend to last more than 3-5 hits...

[raphaell666]

OK lets look at lvl 89 ice wall

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HP 13.710
Physical absorption rate 83
685 MP will be consumed to each 5 seconds

so if that would be 83% absorbtion then str char would have to hit you more than 10 times
to drop the wall.

I still think that dmg_recieved = original_damage - 83.

And i think walls aren't intend to last more than 3-5 hits...

If it was exactly like that, the reduction in damage would be completely negligible. Come on, at lvl 90, 83 damage reduction? I agree that that stat must reduce the damage the wall receives, but it's not a percentage neither a exact number. I'm pretty sure its some kind of ratio.

[NuclearSilo]

Do tests instead of guess this and that
- dmg on flagpole = absolute
- dmg on wall

[jay0303]

i don't try to figure that stuff out it make my head hurt lol though i am pretty sure absorption works like snow shield

[theblindarcher]

thought u wrote abortion

[aishsharma]

lvl 1 ice wall has 983 hp and ~14 dmg absorb i thnk so so idk absorbs 14 dmg frm attk??

like some1 does 100 phy dmg wall absorbs 14 dmg and remaining 86 gets taken from wall hp

wat i can say for sure is that all phy dmg is taken out of wall hp wen its active(sadly 2h can break it fast with that 2 hit move they get at 20 so im gonna hve to max wall to make it effective)
this is mostly observation+speculation not 100% accurate

[raphaell666]

i don't try to figure that stuff out it make my head hurt lol though i am pretty sure absorption works like snow shield

Have you read the other posts before posting? Snow shield is a percentage. The walls are not. And, in addition, the walls get over 100 absorption at lvl 110 or so. How could you explain over 100% absorption?

thought u wrote abortion

Yeah, and? Couldn't you keep that to yourself? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

lvl 1 ice wall has 983 hp and ~14 dmg absorb i thnk so so idk absorbs 14 dmg frm attk??

like some1 does 100 phy dmg wall absorbs 14 dmg and remaining 86 gets taken from wall hp

wat i can say for sure is that all phy dmg is taken out of wall hp wen its active(sadly 2h can break it fast with that 2 hit move they get at 20 so im gonna hve to max wall to make it effective)
this is mostly observation+speculation not 100% accurate

Read my last reply, please:

If it was exactly like that, the reduction in damage would be completely negligible. Come on, at lvl 90, 83 damage reduction? I agree that that stat must reduce the damage the wall receives, but it's not a percentage neither a exact number. I'm pretty sure its some kind of ratio.

[JKMB]

lvl80 chinese archer. Book1 ice wall with and without his imbue.

Spoiler!

lvl80 chinese archer. Book2 ice with and without his imbue

Spoiler!

lvl76 rogue using long shot. Again I asked him to fire twice, once with his poison imbue and once without, I know the imbue does no dmg it just gives poison status, but its interesting to see that the wall takes "1 dmg" when he uses it. (Book2 ice wall)

Spoiler!

Same rogue, book1 ice wall, with and without poison imbue.

Spoiler!

Last test, lvl71 s/s nuker on book1 wall using the 3rd knock down book with and without his imbue.

Spoiler!

And again on the 2nd book wall with and without imbue.

Spoiler!

This leads me to conclude that the walls absorb all physical based dmg (in the case of ice) and that the absorption rate is possibly a typo, as it also states "5mp consumed by insert number here", when it really means it costs you insert number here, amount of mp every 5 seconds. (I think)
EDIT: Fixed the last picture links, and also as an additional thought, perhaps the absorption acts like a kind of "armour" value for the wall, so the higher lvl the wall, the less dmg it takes because its absorption rate is higher.

[hapnz]

I shall conduct some test tomorrow with a few different ice wall books and various opponents, I will edit this post with the results once I have them.

deliver pls

[JKMB]

I shall conduct some test tomorrow with a few different ice wall books and various opponents, I will edit this post with the results once I have them.

deliver pls

'tis done.

[aishsharma]

I shall conduct some test tomorrow with a few different ice wall books and various opponents, I will edit this post with the results once I have them.

deliver pls

'tis done.

and the results r..........[drum rolls going]

[raphaell666]

This leads me to conclude that the walls absorb all physical based dmg (in the case of ice) and that the absorbtion rate is possibly a typo, as it also states "5mp consumed by insert number here", when it really means it costs you insert number here, amount of mp every 5 seconds. ( I think)

Yeah, I got to the exact same conclusion after looking at your screenshots. But what would the absorption typo mean then? It looks like it reduces the damage (both phy and mag) by some kind of ratio.

Very interesting test, thanks a lot for doing it. By the way, some screenshots are not showing.


EDIT: The damage difference between the first 2 'spoilers' is of approx. 20%, when the difference between the absorption of the two maxed walls is also 20%. This leads me to the conclusion (perhaps incorrect) that it is in fact a percentage reduction in damage. But that leaves us with the dilemma about over 100 absorption. Don't you have the third ice wall book? Because if you had it maxed, the absorption would be of 66, and if it's a percentage, it would be extremely noticeable. Also if the absorption is of 100 or higher, and it's a percentage, then the wall would be unbreakable! It would receive no damage. There's something wrong...

[aishsharma]

This leads me to conclude that the walls absorb all physical based dmg (in the case of ice) and that the absorbtion rate is possibly a typo, as it also states "5mp consumed by insert number here", when it really means it costs you insert number here, amount of mp every 5 seconds. ( I think)

Yeah, I got to the exact same conclusion after looking at your screenshots. But what would the absorption typo mean then? It looks like it reduces the damage (both phy and mag) by some kind of ratio.

Very interesting test, thanks a lot for doing it. By the way, some screenshots are not showing.

the last 1 is linked rong just copy/paste it in URL and remove "jpg" from the beginning

[raphaell666]

*I edited my last post milliseconds before aishsharma posted.*

[JKMB]

I do have the 3rd book, however it is not maxed due to my current gap and sp requirements, I shall endeavour to raise it when I can however.

[raphaell666]

I do have the 3rd book, however it is not maxed due to my current gap and sp requirements, I shall endeavour to raise it when I can however.

I see. Sorry if I am abusing/abused you by the way, but I got quite, eh, excited with these 'tests'. Thanks again for what you've done here so far.

[Stephanus]

EDIT:
Before anything else:

Special red Kudos to JKMB!!! >_<


And again, i was right >_<
We had the same discussion with guildmates at Eldo, results were the same also. So i was thinking wtf is with ice wall? O.o
I was rly surprised when i saw the absorbtion rate over 100%. Im very curious about the late game skills of ice too.
Ice gives insane defense at later lvls, almost double as fire protection.
If things stay the same, then ice >> fire imho(even it has weak ass nukes and imbue)
Cheers.