YELLING AT WARLOCK

[Extrme_G]

and why is it called a "bug" anyway ? -.-

the pre D9-stun was a bug
spamming 15s pills in less than 1s intervalls is a bug
doing a skill while knocked down is a bug
doing a skill while stunned is a bug

but ya the (imo well designed) trap+sleep combo is a bug too...

so call me a noob i use this "bug" whenever i can *waiting for flames*

ass i sad in other warlock topic its not bug imo i am sure its "combo efect". harp have MP passive. ohh yea i forget its bug cuz JM did say anythink about it

[Crumpets]

If I see another warlock having to use sleep bug in pvp I will go nuts.

I agree that it's lame but it's also pretty bad that warriors, a class that should do low damage and have high survivability, can one shot nearly any other class. If you're fighting someone who can kill you in a single skill but you have the ability to disable them, why wouldn't you?

+1 to mango why other class biulds can use inv, LF,DD ,offering etc to 1 hit kill other ppls why we cant use skills to kill them. and its not lame >.>

I don't care for other builds. I am a warlock too .. but everytime I see someone using the sleep bug I go fucking nuts. It's as if it isn't enough you put 834658348 status'ses on someone .. you also hidden bug him. I rather actually PvP than PvS(Statue).

[Drabon]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

[Extrme_G]

I don't care for other builds. I am a warlock too .. but everytime I see someone using the sleep bug I go fucking nuts. It's as if it isn't enough you put 834658348 status'ses on someone .. you also hidden bug him. I rather actually PvP than PvS(Statue).

ohh now i see what you mean
sinner thank you for telling me song name

[Lempi]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

If you're not a retard, you will relise that it IS a bug.
No build should be able to totally stop another build.

[JKMB]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

If you're not a retard, you will relise that it IS a bug.
No build should be able to totally stop another build.

Hmm dunno, I mean look at 100 cap archers.

[Amalie]

stupid thread
warlock is a great build

Yeah hate to admit it warlock/cleric cleric/warlock (whatever lol) they both rape in 1v1 pvp, cant beat that shitz usualy without pill spamming. As long as there played with a bit of intelligence and not by some noob.

There is not many people can survive a fully warlock debuffed pure offering.

[Nitro]

There is not many people can survive a fully warlock debuffed pure offering.

Who can? Except Warrior with mana skin (and there is a little doubt he can)

[Shadowfox542]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

If you're not a retard, you will relise that it IS a bug.
No build should be able to totally stop another build.

Hmm dunno, I mean look at 100 cap archers.

Most builds will be able to tank that, rogues with CE/DD and wizards will feel it the most. Sleep means your just a punching bag.

[_Creep_]

Crumpets about what bug with sleep you talking?

[strangelove]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

If you're not a retard, you will relise that it IS a bug.
No build should be able to totally stop another build.

The whole idea around a Warlock is manipulating and controlling your opponent in battle. If you can't stop them completely, that kinda makes the build a little less advantageous (isthataword?).

Anyway, I don't believe this was an unintentional error on JM's part. After playing the Warlock class in many variations since Euro first opened, I do think that the Hidden Status (maybe it's called "Hidden" for a reason?) bug is not a bug at all. Just like Wizards and Rogues 1-shotting other builds isn't a bug.

I'm not at all ashamed to say that I exploit this skill combo whenever I can. Whether it be PvP, PvE, or group wars, if you're not immune, you're getting skull-locked and most likely dying shortly afterwards. This is a HUGE advantage for Warlocks, but I'm not allowed to use it because some people think it's unfair..?

Purification Pills- BUY SOME! ;D

@willieb3

Look at that whole series of weak nukes you pointed out. If you look 2 lines above that crappy damage you will see something important.

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Continuous hours 12 second

This means that you will be getting hit with that crappy damage (around 1.5k-3k depending on rod) for around 18+ seconds with passives maxed all the while you are debuffed and and if you were unlucky enough to get Panic Status, you will now have a 5 second pot delay. Not to mention the main nuke will damage you around 10K while debuffed.

So if we look back at those weak nukes again, we can see that they're actually quite dangerous in the right hands.

[Extrme_G]

It is not about how u play your warlock in pvp. I mean i dont care if warriors choose to pvp without skins, or dagger rouges without dd+invi+prick. It is their choice, but i hate it if someone tells me that iam a buguser. Wth its a skill combo ...

If you're not a retard, you will relise that it IS a bug.
No build should be able to totally stop another build.

[color=#000000]The whole idea around a Warlock is manipulating and controlling your opponent in battle. If you can't stop them completely, that kinda makes the build a little less advantageous (isthataword?).

Anyway, I don't believe this was an unintentional error on JM's part. After playing the Warlock class in many variations since Euro first opened, I do think that the Hidden Status (maybe it's called "Hidden" for a reason?) bug is not a bug at all. Just like Wizards and Rogues 1-shotting other builds isn't a bug.

I'm not at all ashamed to say that I exploit this skill combo whenever I can. Whether it be PvP, PvE, or group wars, if you're not immune, you're getting skull-locked and most likely dying shortly afterwards. This is a HUGE advantage for Warlocks, but I'm not allowed to use it because some people think it's unfair..?

Purification Pills- BUY SOME! ;D

@willieb3

Look at that whole series of weak nukes you pointed out. If you look 2 lines above that crappy damage you will see something important.

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Continuous hours 12 second

This means that you will be getting hit with that crappy damage (around 1.5k-3k depending on rod) for around 18+ seconds with passives maxed all the while you are debuffed and and if you were unlucky enough to get Panic Status, you will now have a 5 second pot delay. Not to mention the main nuke will damage you around 10K while debuffed.

So if we look back at those weak nukes again, we can see that they're actually quite dangerous in the right hands.[/color]

+ infinity thats what i wanted to say btw update your guide hury up

[Shadowfox542]

Personally, I think warlocks are an interesting class...Dominate 1v1 if the enemy dosnt have spell, fails when they do. (Obviously, these are generalizations, dont flame me bro)

[Selan88]

so is there anyone who can confirm that holyword has been reduced to 50% in KSRO? o.O that would be awesome, im waiting for this since i started my lock XD.

[Shadowfox542]

so is there anyone who can confirm that holyword has been reduced to 50% in KSRO? o.O that would be awesome, im waiting for this since i started my lock XD.

I hope not. That would make warlocks overwhelmingly strong. Unless they implement items that are easy to get to protect against the statuses you need purification pills for. They'd need to gimp statuses OR make it possible to be immune. Though, this would make dual axers more common...

[Selan88]

so is there anyone who can confirm that holyword has been reduced to 50% in KSRO? o.O that would be awesome, im waiting for this since i started my lock XD.

I hope not. That would make warlocks overwhelmingly strong. Unless they implement items that are easy to get to protect against the statuses you need purification pills for. They'd need to gimp statuses OR make it possible to be immune. Though, this would make dual axers more common...

well then it should decrease the duration or the effectiveness of our
debuffs. I think its not fair that 1 spell can make players immune to
half of the warlock skills, especially when theres a group buff version
of that spell which makes debuffs completely useless against any char in
group pvp.

[Shadowfox542]

so is there anyone who can confirm that holyword has been reduced to 50% in KSRO? o.O that would be awesome, im waiting for this since i started my lock XD.

I hope not. That would make warlocks overwhelmingly strong. Unless they implement items that are easy to get to protect against the statuses you need purification pills for. They'd need to gimp statuses OR make it possible to be immune. Though, this would make dual axers more common...

well then it should decrease the duration or the effectiveness of our
debuffs. I think its not fair that 1 spell can make players immune to
half of the warlock skills, especially when theres a group buff version
of that spell which makes debuffs completely useless against any char in
group pvp.

I like the idea about decreasing effectiveness/duration. I agree that a party buff that most high level euros have ruins a build is BS. However, a decent warlock can destroy a full sun chinese. They need to come up with a middle ground.

[AkillerNXC]

Believe it or not, warlock probably one of the best builds there is. If you think it's a subclass you seriously need to watch pvp more. Go look at a different server, try watching Athens, Olympus, or any server that came out in the last year. Warlocks can do 15k+ nukes after fully debuffing someone. Chinese will NEVER win. Warrior/cleric's are probably the only build that is difficult for a warlock.

[xZhang_Liaox]

Believe it or not, warlock probably one of the best builds there is. If you think it's a subclass you seriously need to watch pvp more. Go look at a different server, try watching Athens, Olympus, or any server that came out in the last year. Warlocks can do 15k+ nukes after fully debuffing someone. Chinese will NEVER win. Warrior/cleric's are probably the only build that is difficult for a warlock.

rogue/cleric`s too...their skills are quick in use and strong against int builts. That`s the only reaseon I quitted my warlock/cleric and gave it to my cousin. Many rogues on my server (Athens )were annoying as hell. *backstabbers* <.<

[Disconn3cted]

imo warlock is the strongest build if they use that sleep,trap bug its impossible to win against it

[AkillerNXC]

Believe it or not, warlock probably one of the best builds there is. If you think it's a subclass you seriously need to watch pvp more. Go look at a different server, try watching Athens, Olympus, or any server that came out in the last year. Warlocks can do 15k+ nukes after fully debuffing someone. Chinese will NEVER win. Warrior/cleric's are probably the only build that is difficult for a warlock.

rogue/cleric`s too...their skills are quick in use and strong against int builts. That`s the only reaseon I quitted my warlock/cleric and gave it to my cousin. Many rogues on my server (Athens )were annoying as hell. *backstabbers* <.<

Rogue clerics are easy. Extremely easy. A warlock/cleric can tank better then any other int. With rec. division, healing cycle, and even as warlock they have 2 vampires. They are not linked, so with vampires alone you can pretty much tank a rogue that doesnt have XE or DD on. With either DD or XE on they are easy to kill anyways. Rogue's are NOT the uber build that people think they are.

[Shadowfox542]

Believe it or not, warlock probably one of the best builds there is. If you think it's a subclass you seriously need to watch pvp more. Go look at a different server, try watching Athens, Olympus, or any server that came out in the last year. Warlocks can do 15k+ nukes after fully debuffing someone. Chinese will NEVER win. Warrior/cleric's are probably the only build that is difficult for a warlock.

rogue/cleric`s too...their skills are quick in use and strong against int builts. That`s the only reaseon I quitted my warlock/cleric and gave it to my cousin. Many rogues on my server (Athens )were annoying as hell. *backstabbers* <.<

Rogue clerics are easy. Extremely easy. A warlock/cleric can tank better then any other int. With rec. division, healing cycle, and even as warlock they have 2 vampires. They are not linked, so with vampires alone you can pretty much tank a rogue that doesnt have XE or DD on. With either DD or XE on they are easy to kill anyways. Rogue's are NOT the uber build that people think they are.

Rogues have all the healing stuff you do too, only instead of vampires they have 28khp.

Also, if they KD you (and they can/will) DD->Mortal wounds and your done. Unless you get lucky blocks/they dont crit.

imo warlock is the strongest build if they use that sleep,trap bug its impossible to win against it

Holy spell.

[hootsh]

Warlocks are like every other character except they are actually a bit more technical and no noob can play them.

Not dissin' other builds just saying warlocks are made for those who enjoy the process of owning, not just owning.

[Goseki]

Pvping WITH a warlock is basically the same as killing ppl while their afk. You hit them until they die or run out of pots while they do nothing back. IMO it's boring to use the sleep bug in a pvp. Might as well just wait till whoever you want to kill is afk and than go kill him. It's never a true pvp if it's a 1-shot or if the other person doesn't even respond.

[englishganxta]

goseki, obviously you have never pvped a good warlock.

[Advancechao]

Not dissin' other builds just saying warlocks are made for those who enjoy the process of owning, not just owning.

Nice way to put it ^_^

Pvping WITH a warlock is basically the same as killing ppl while their afk. You hit them until they die or run out of pots while they do nothing back. IMO it's boring to use the sleep bug in a pvp. Might as well just wait till whoever you want to kill is afk and than go kill him. It's never a true pvp if it's a 1-shot or if the other person doesn't even respond.

goseki, obviously you have never pvped a good warlock.

I agree with both of you because the sleep trap bug is the ultimate winning technique and shouldn't be used to win every little battle. It really does get lame to smack your opponents silly while they're slumbering (however effective it may be) and it just makes people want to stop pvping you. But in defense of the sleep trap bug, it is quite good to use in jobbing and group fights, and it may be the only way to win against someone much stronger than you.

Otherwise, higher leveled "good warlocks" with the two stun skills shouldn't be using it too much because the options for winning at higher levels are far more numerous than at level 40, when you first learn the skill. If you have another cancel skill like shield trash, then you don't need the bug at all.

PS: I don't blame lower levels for using it. The sleep trap bug is an awesome way to get back at people who repeatedly kill you. It teaches them a lesson that they won't forget. But seriously, once you are 80+ you can stun three times consecutively in addition to sleep.

EDIT: Oops I think I misinterpreted your post ganxta. sorry x.x

[SirSengir]

For those commenting on the sleep bug.

Unless they fix the pill spamming, it really isn't a bug. All it does is balance out the pill cooldown bypass. People now have to reserve their pills for the hidden sleep combo, and ofcourse still wipe out all your debuffs, but with your sleep cooldown have to just deal with whichever debuffs you manage to put back.

Either way, if they fix both bugs, warlocks will still have the upperhand. Sure, you might not be able to lock your opponent down as easily or cheapily, but if you can't control your pvp match with just the stuns and the kb from shield trash/bash [if you have it], perhaps warlock isn't the right choice for you. Honestly, the sleep bug only saves my ass when I'm up against multiple targets [without holy spell] and I manage to sleep lock one or two just so I can take care of the others [which happens how often?]

A single 5 second stun is enough time to fit in a daredevil, offering, DD+Prick, or two warlock nukes. The hidden sleep bug doesn't do as much as you think it does. If you know how to play a warlock in the first place, you shouldn't miss it were it to be fixed.

[VforVendetta]

I agree that Holy Spell is the devil.
It makes sense that everyone can win against warlock when you can't use sleep or impotent, which are vital for defense against strong enemies. Holy spell cuts the effectiveness of a warlock build by 50% or more that way and can really spell doom for one, since warlock build really is about stalling your enemy until you can poke them to death with small fry nukes

Yeah, but apart from that they just simply own. And I believe that there are ways for warlocks to fight against holy word.

I heared that HolyWord has been weakened in Ksro, so its not 100 immun anymore, only 50% or so. If thats true, I hope we will get that update too.

I can confirm this although I dont have any pictures currently, if anyone can be bothered to go on KSRO and check out Holy Word there, you'll find its effectiveness reduced to 50%.