Warrior Cleric; best or best?

[ahmedsabry]

you really didn't understand what he said at all. a good/smart pvper doesn't button mash that's what the noobs do, i really cant get over the stupidity of ppl on this forum.

but either way OT: warrior clerics without bless are not that hard to kill unless of course they got sun weapon and you got no sun set at all then its just pointless to even pvp. and they arent the best or the best, cocky bastard.

No matter how you phrase it - you are always doing the same f*cking thing in SRO. The PvP is so generically single phased. You will always press 2,3 and hope for a lucky crit or two in a row to finish off an opponent. As i said if you bothered to read the thread the only slight skill involvement is timing. So seriously mate, shut the **** up clueless idiot.

EG. 2 Glaive users face to face - whoever crits first or more in a row will win. Or rather whoever gets to stun then crit will win. There is no skill involved in that. Literally NONE. Whilst other builds are often more "Skillful" and i use the term very loosely, they too are just single minded button mashing in the end.

I must dissagre ... Warrior/Cleric is not just button humping ...
Next to Rogue/Cleric and Warlock/Cleric its the most skill-required build to play...
Ofcourse if playing propperly ... skill in this game comes at Euros ...

Weapon Switching, fast renewing of healing cycle etc etc... You can learn that in 2-3 days like you can learn how to play Blader or Glavie.
Usually when I play my Warrior/Cleric, it depends on me will I lose, or not (<- I think that for alot of Warrior/Clerics this sentance will be fimiliary)... If I make mistake I'll lose, if not, I win ...
Its ALWAYS like that, ofcourse if we are at same level and gear is somehow balanced.

well its not always about yourself.. opponents get lucky u know :S
u cant do anything if a rogue decides to do three criticals on the mortal wounds while ur on the ground

[StacE]

Previous 2 posters pointed it out exactly. It is NOT always the same in that respect, gear is very rarely equal.

It does not take skill to hold spacebar and push 1 so that your 2h swaps over instantly at the magical push of a button. That is NOT skill. Anyone can do that.

[thechampion80]

Previous 2 posters pointed it out exactly. It is NOT always the same in that respect, gear is very rarely equal.

It does not take skill to hold spacebar and push 1 so that your 2h swaps over instantly at the magical push of a button. That is NOT skill. Anyone can do that.

but it does take some skill (and experience) to do it at the right time

[Nitro]

Previous 2 posters pointed it out exactly. It is NOT always the same in that respect, gear is very rarely equal.

It does not take skill to hold spacebar and push 1 so that your 2h swaps over instantly at the magical push of a button. That is NOT skill. Anyone can do that.

but it does take some skill (and experience) to do it at the right time

Touché

I've seen alot of capped Warriors with +7 swords / fully farmed with Cleric subclass and three weapons and lose lots of PvP's when they really shouldnt ...
Because of their own mistakes, and if you played Warrior/Cleric propperly, you'd see all those mistakes instantly.

[StacE]

Previous 2 posters pointed it out exactly. It is NOT always the same in that respect, gear is very rarely equal.

It does not take skill to hold spacebar and push 1 so that your 2h swaps over instantly at the magical push of a button. That is NOT skill. Anyone can do that.

but it does take some skill (and experience) to do it at the right time

You're an idiot.

Re-read the thread. I have said that. That some skill is fkn small though.

[keinezeit]

mousetrap (tankedkthx) I know you are playing in oasis server but u are using bless and all defence skills (str-int)...

this is your helper; bless,str,int,vigor,silk defences...,dogging scroll attack scroll )) I think you are nothing without buff and scrolls ) I saw many times u are lost (chinese nuker,wizard,sun blader, sun bower own you...you feel superman?? or heman?? ) u are just weak..and scrammer....

[F-22]

Previous 2 posters pointed it out exactly. It is NOT always the same in that respect, gear is very rarely equal.

It does not take skill to hold spacebar and push 1 so that your 2h swaps over instantly at the magical push of a button. That is NOT skill. Anyone can do that.

but it does take some skill (and experience) to do it at the right time

You're an idiot.

Re-read the thread. I have said that. That some skill is fkn small though.

is there a mod here that can ban this fool from posting dumb shit. Get to lvl90 and you can start talking more about skills. for right now your just a noob.

Back on topic: warrior/cleric is a well balanced class comparing to many other euro classes. good at offense and defense with plenty of hp to tank. But they are one of the hardest to play because of weapon switch. Anyone here experience a lot of difficulty when weapon switching during lag period? its hard for me, i usually died when my weapons switch failed in a pvp. so far the most diffucult build for me to pvp is blader and some good s/s int, they jsut take longer to kill. but for s/s when their snow shiled runs out and iron wall is done, they are a one hit almost everytime.

[Mousetrap]

mousetrap (tankedkthx) I know you are playing in oasis server but u are using bless and all defence skills (str-int)...

this is your helper; bless,str,int,vigor,silk defences...,dogging scroll attack scroll )) I think you are nothing without buff and scrolls ) I saw many times u are lost (chinese nuker,wizard,sun blader, sun bower own you...you feel superman?? or heman?? ) u are just weak..and scrammer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7r3MZ4yrA

I rarely use bless.. only vs STR snow and 2+v1. str int 2+v1 from random people, silk defense once for fortress war LOL.
triggers (dodging, attack) are usually left over from jobwars / CTF, and the opponents usually have them on anyway.
dunno what a scrammer is, but if you mean scammer I've never scammed anyone.. if you'd like to say your IGN here I'm sure I know something about you

[Shadowfox542]

Bless is almost never needed. I was this build before I went Rogue Cleric. I never skinned, as you can't healing cycle, and to switch to shield you have to do 1H first, which makes lag happen more often. It takes timing, and knowing where all your skills are. If you've played warrior cleric, you can probably agree with me its a hard build fully take advantage of.

That said, bladers were a bitch; Cannot land statuses and daredevil and heal tank if I am getting KD'd all the goddam time.

Rogue fixed that. Kinda.

[WickedFever]

hi this is me,
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1411332

and yesterday i pvp this guy.
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=482436

first pvp, it last very long and he is outa pot so i win.
second fight last very long too but i got him with my Daredevil Crit and i win. i also pvp many others too but i win more than i lose. i'm not all that great or i'll never lose but you lose some you win some. if you from venice and want to pvp me pm me anytime. i would love to pvp new characters and new builds because pvp the same char every day is boring. PM ME PLEASE VENICE...... this is not a challenge or anything but server is so dead no one to pvp. just giving my words out to people come and have some fun and tried out their build to the max.

i also pvp this char, and we are 2-2 win and lost
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=178880

we more like tie.

sorry elitedragon that i post you here just that you are the most FULL sun char i ever fought so sorry man. and sorry aramni

[OTG]

mousetrap (tankedkthx) I know you are playing in oasis server but u are using bless and all defence skills (str-int)...

this is your helper; bless,str,int,vigor,silk defences...,dogging scroll attack scroll )) I think you are nothing without buff and scrolls ) I saw many times u are lost (chinese nuker,wizard,sun blader, sun bower own you...you feel superman?? or heman?? ) u are just weak..and scrammer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7r3MZ4yrA

I rarely use bless.. only vs STR snow and 2+v1. str int 2+v1 from random people, silk defense once for fortress war LOL.
triggers (dodging, attack) are usually left over from jobwars / CTF, and the opponents usually have them on anyway.
dunno what a scrammer is, but if you mean scammer I've never scammed anyone.. if you'd like to say your IGN here I'm sure I know something about you

I watched your video several times and I can say you spam the shit out of vigors. In every single fight but the sun glavier, the vigors weren't necessary.

[BalkanFanaticS]

I FVCKING PWNED a warrior cleric wit SUN 2HANDER

it was lyk 30-2



the guy couldnt play .


ITS ALL ABOUT DA SKIIIIIIIIIL (n mony )

[ahmedsabry]

I FVCKING PWNED a warrior cleric wit SUN 2HANDER

it was lyk 30-2



the guy couldnt play .


ITS ALL ABOUT DA SKIIIIIIIIIL (n mony )

he has to be one hell of a retard if what u say is true. even a 2 year old kid with a sun 2handed warrior/cleric can own pretty much hard. just bless and skins would make him last for 90 secs with no weapon switching at all, and his sun 2H should easily get anything killed within that time with a crit or two , and he wouldnt even have to get a single skill from the DA/1H trees if he uses warcry.

[JoyFax]

Since people bumped this thread...

nearly full sun spear

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892

sun heavy armor

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=116716

glavie using sun spear

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=198190

sun bower

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=917285

sun blader

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=258272

another sun blader

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=228754

another sun bower

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227962

These are all people I've beaten in 1v1 pvps, and not only once. None aside from the warrior in heavy armor has beaten me yet.
Here's me; http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1063014

So.. warrior cleric; best or best?
I never use bless or skins unless I'm getting ganged or they are pure STR using snow with sun, though I never used them on any of the mentioned people up there except for the second sun blader.. because he was just so turkish!

It just amazes me how much money people throw into a character and still get owned by someone in a pretty basic set.
Anyway, discuss.

What are you trying to prove exactly?
Would be fun to make a big list of the kills a friend of my gets with his pure nuker and he has no sos, or the ones I killed with my rogue... or the kills a guildmate gets with his wiz... Meh the list goes on...

[Messiah]

I liked the Warriors when noone played them ... when everyone tough Rogues are much much better than Warriors ... Now everyone rolls Warriors and we got server filled with Warriors thinking they are the best ...

I'm rolling Chinese now... a Farking str bow with maxed light and fire so I can hunt down uniques and look sexy with 10th degree bow in female 1mil thief suit... Yeah

+1 Everyone on Eos has made pretty much a 2h / Cleric (in fact there is an entire guild that is full of them.. thats all they accept.) So i made a Chinese bow as well.

On Topic - Id hate to admit it BUT I would have to agree with Fly that it takes at least SOME skill to play certain builds. For instance, I played on a friends Warrior / Warlock (full farmed 90) and he completely destroyed me with my Warrior / Cleric because i had no idea what skills to use or start with. When we are back on our own characters it was more of a even fight because i knew how to play my build.. So for whoever said its just "spamming the keys" you kinda have to know what skills to use in a different situation cause doing the same thing over and over doesn't really work.

[JoyFax]

It does xD

[ahmedsabry]

mousetrap (tankedkthx) I know you are playing in oasis server but u are using bless and all defence skills (str-int)... loads of cr*p... sun blader, sun bower own you...

did u see anyone using bless here? i didnt! (except against the sun blader in snow shield, which is normal to do-.-)
the guy has a nooby +5 set and ur caling him a scammer if he loses to a SUN blader or bower
yea he's a n00p alright.. LawL

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

[VforVendetta]

I have to agree with Stace, there really is not skill involved in this game what so ever, if you have shitty gear vs someone with good gear and the same level, you will lose no matter how "Thuper" your skills are, because your weapon will be shitty meaning shitty damage, your gear will be shitty meaning shitty defense, and you will have a Glavier using his intense botted skills to press 123124124123124214 on you. WOAW!

[selenne]

I have to agree with Stace, there really is not skill involved in this game what so ever, if you have shitty gear vs someone with good gear and the same level, you will lose no matter how "Thuper" your skills are, because your weapon will be shitty meaning shitty damage, your gear will be shitty meaning shitty defense, and you will have a Glavier using his intense botted skills to press 123124124123124214 on you. WOAW!

thats it.

the highest skills u can hav are:

- switchin weps at da right time
- hav fast fingers
- kb and kd at the right time
- anything else (run, cast walls, heal, w/e) at da right time.

the rest, ur gear will do for u

[ahmedsabry]

I have to agree with Stace, there really is not skill involved in this game what so ever, if you have shitty gear vs someone with good gear and the same level, you will lose no matter how "Thuper" your skills are, because your weapon will be shitty meaning shitty damage, your gear will be shitty meaning shitty defense, and you will have a Glavier using his intense botted skills to press 123124124123124214 on you. WOAW!

not always true rly..
u saw mousetrap beating a sun blader and a sun glavier in his video with a +5 set.
on my server in the 80 cap "Swifter" totally destroyed "Star" when thet pvped, when "Star" had a full SUN+7 gear. "Phunkism" did the same to "Not_To_Be" in the 80 cap as well..
im sure there are other examples i dont know about too.
gear is important but its not everything, especially if ur using a build that lets u make use of your skill, such as warrior/cleric

[selenne]

glaviers are da most skilled. period.

[JoyFax]

glaviers are da most skilled. period.

Please tell me you're joking xD

[Mousetrap]

mousetrap (tankedkthx) I know you are playing in oasis server but u are using bless and all defence skills (str-int)... loads of cr*p... sun blader, sun bower own you...

did u see anyone using bless here? i didnt! (except against the sun blader in snow shield, which is normal to do-.-)
the guy has a nooby +5 set and ur caling him a scammer if he loses to a SUN blader or bower
yea he's a n00p alright.. LawL

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

I tried cunning stab a few times but couldn't get it to fit in right.. but that was a while ago, maybe I can make it work now. I'll definitely try it out again, thanks for the tip.
btw a mod can lock this.. pretty old topic

[ahmedsabry]

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

I tried cunning stab a few times but couldn't get it to fit in right.. but that was a while ago, maybe I can make it work now. I'll definitely try it out again, thanks for the tip.

any time
keep up da good work

[the_wicked]

the only skill is timing. What skills and weapons used at what time between two players with similar gear always determines the winner.

[OTG]

A skill (also called talent) is the learned capacity to carry out pre-determined results often with the minimum outlay of time, energy, or both. Skills can often be divided into domain-general and domain-specific skills. For example, in the domain of work, some general skills would include time management, teamwork and leadership, self motivation and others, whereas domain-specific skills would be useful only for a certain job. Skill usually requires a certain environmental stimuli and situation to assess the level of skill being shown and used.

Meaning if you know to knockback with your shield when someone using Dare devil or a move that can hurt you alot or kill you, you have skill.

[Crumpets]

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

I tried cunning stab a few times but couldn't get it to fit in right.. but that was a while ago, maybe I can make it work now. I'll definitely try it out again, thanks for the tip.
btw a mod can lock this.. pretty old topic

A: Triple swing sucks. Such a waste of time if it doesn't crit ;s. Rather use bash anyday of the week.

B: You should get the hang of the DD --> Daring Berserker --> TR --> Bash combo. Works wonders .. and 9/10 will die in that combo if all hits land. Cunning stab is just too slow .. unless you know it'll kill them with a crit.

[ahmedsabry]

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

I tried cunning stab a few times but couldn't get it to fit in right.. but that was a while ago, maybe I can make it work now. I'll definitely try it out again, thanks for the tip.
btw a mod can lock this.. pretty old topic

A: Triple swing sucks. Such a waste of time if it doesn't crit ;s. Rather use bash anyday of the week.

B: You should get the hang of the DD --> Daring Berserker --> TR --> Bash combo. Works wonders .. and 9/10 will die in that combo if all hits land. Cunning stab is just too slow .. unless you know it'll kill them with a crit.

point is, using triple swing and cunning stab makes u get the 50% bonus from dull (beside being stronger actually)
bash: 267%
triple swing: 114%x3 = 342 + adding 50% for dull= 513% (almost double the attack power of bash)

Daring berserker: 100x4= 400%
Cunning stab: 90x4= 360 + 50% bonus= 540

i do agree that bash will be better if the opponent is not under dull/bleed though.. a critting bash does 15-20k damage, which usually is enough to finish off anything.
personally i didnt try using 'daring berserker' in my attack combos b4, but this sounds promising
especially on opponent warrior/clerics who are almost immune to all damn statuses in the game, so u can just go for sheer attack power to take them down

[Shadowfox542]

on topic: really nice job on the last video.. only thing i take on you is using "deadly counter" while u have "cunning stab" farmed.
stab is simply better u know.. "deadly counter"s main advantage is that it is the warrior's AOE attack with the biggest range, so it is usefull for killing multiple opponents. while for a single target "cunning stab"s powerfull (90%)x4 does alot more damage, maybe even more than "triple swing" if crits are the same.

I tried cunning stab a few times but couldn't get it to fit in right.. but that was a while ago, maybe I can make it work now. I'll definitely try it out again, thanks for the tip.
btw a mod can lock this.. pretty old topic

A: Triple swing sucks. Such a waste of time if it doesn't crit ;s. Rather use bash anyday of the week.

B: You should get the hang of the DD --> Daring Berserker --> TR --> Bash combo. Works wonders .. and 9/10 will die in that combo if all hits land. Cunning stab is just too slow .. unless you know it'll kill them with a crit.

Bleed with axes, Dull with shield trash, bind with cleric, KD.

However, vs bladers, Bash is awesome because you'll probably need a crit, and triple swing gets blocked.

[Barotix]

the only skill is timing. What skills and weapons used at what time between two players with similar gear always determines the winner.

Isn't that how it is in all mmorpgs? Knowing when to use a skill against an opponent in a specific situation? Timing, experience, and patience? Aren't those the only skills required of a good mmo player?

@Mousetrap, Actually it looks like people are still discussing so I'll leave it unlocked if you don't mind.

Spoiler!

A skill (also called talent) is the learned capacity to carry out pre-determined results often with the minimum outlay of time, energy, or both. Skills can often be divided into domain-general and domain-specific skills. For example, in the domain of work, some general skills would include time management, teamwork and leadership, self motivation and others, whereas domain-specific skills would be useful only for a certain job. Skill usually requires a certain environmental stimuli and situation to assess the level of skill being shown and used.

Meaning if you know to knockback with your shield when someone using Dare devil or a move that can hurt you alot or kill you, you have skill.

Win.