I Think the Whole World...

[Bread_Fish]

And this:
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as narrated by agent smith?...
i was waiting for his to say "they are a virus and i am the cure..."

[Mr.Ganji]

Well, what a load of magical utopian bullshit.

What Charlie Chaplin proves: nothing. Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven. I'm sure most of you have seen little boys playing with toy swords and toy guns. Earth will never be completely peaceful, entirely calm, or entirely happy. Chaplin and the rest of you who try to cling to his message are grasping at straws. Let me tell you - as long as religion, nationalism, lobbyists, corruption and greed, and the endless militarization exist, NO peace, NO happiness will EVER exist.


What Cruor's video proves: that we are (as of now) alone in the entire universe and that humanity has a responsibility to care and protet Earth. Far more feasible goal than wishing for eternal human happiness as Chaplin did. But the same obstacles bar the way - our governments are too blind and too corrupt to do anything about pollution, deforestation, extinct species etc. but definitely not too weak to do anything about it. But alas this is not a perfect world and we still have lobbyists and politicians who will not work for anything but money and power.

[CrimsonNuker]

Thats Deep Man.

SMOOT IS SUCH A BADASS LAST NAME.

[l05tfr33k7]

Well, what a load of magical utopian bullshit.

What Charlie Chaplin proves: nothing. Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven. I'm sure most of you have seen little boys playing with toy swords and toy guns. Earth will never be completely peaceful, entirely calm, or entirely happy. Chaplin and the rest of you who try to cling to his message are grasping at straws. Let me tell you - as long as religion, nationalism, lobbyists, corruption and greed, and the endless militarization exist, NO peace, NO happiness will EVER exist.

yes a utopia is impossible. but working towards the goal of having a utopia is what the video calls for. if you know that there will always be greed, evil, corruption, etc., that does not mean that you just lay back and watch everything "unfold". you have to work towards the "dream" in order to achieve something at all.

[XemnasXD]

Well, what a load of magical utopian bullshit.

What Charlie Chaplin proves: nothing. Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven. I'm sure most of you have seen little boys playing with toy swords and toy guns. Earth will never be completely peaceful, entirely calm, or entirely happy. Chaplin and the rest of you who try to cling to his message are grasping at straws. Let me tell you - as long as religion, nationalism, lobbyists, corruption and greed, and the endless militarization exist, NO peace, NO happiness will EVER exist.


What Cruor's video proves: that we are (as of now) alone in the entire universe and that humanity has a responsibility to care and protet Earth. Far more feasible goal than wishing for eternal human happiness as Chaplin did. But the same obstacles bar the way - our governments are too blind and too corrupt to do anything about pollution, deforestation, extinct species etc. but definitely not too weak to do anything about it. But alas this is not a perfect world and we still have lobbyists and politicians who will not work for anything but money and power.

hmmm, you are starting to get under my skin...

the speech was a calling meant to stir hearts and open eyes, not a promise of a utopia. The speech ask man to strive towards the goals of peace and happiness, not saying that they will achieve it but at least to move in that directions. These things he ask are not impossible things they are probable things. The outcome of humanity, the end result can either be peace or destruction, in the end thats all you can have. The speech ask mankind to stop moving itself towards the path to destruction....

maybe you are new here, maybe you are not but you are certainly not original content. These ideas of peace and war have been discussed on this forum by far better people so don't think you are telling me something new. Don't think your pessimistic outlook hasn't been expressed before. I am not stupid and I am not blind, I clearly see the world for what is and because of that i can truly appreciate what Chaplin did, when he did it, why he did it, and how we can learn from it and at least hope for a better tomorrow.

If the world is such a suckass place you think its going nowhere you might as well just /wrist now cause you're certainly not doing anything to make it better.

[Avalanche]

If the world is such a suckass place you think its going nowhere you might as well just /wrist now cause you're certainly not doing anything to make it better.

[Barotix]

religion

Because all religious people are violent, right?

nationalism

Because Modern Nationalism isn't something fairly new concocted in the 17th century, totally.

lobbyists

Yeah; why do lobbyists lobby? Would lobbyists lobby if there were nothing to gain?

corruption

Corruption. You forgot to ask the most important question: Why? Why is there corruption? What is the mechanism that causes it.

greed

Because greed is always bad. If someone saves money are they not being greedy? Are they not thinking and acting in their own selfish desires? Aren't we all greedy? Greed is the driving mechanism behind Human life; there is nothing wrong with preservation of one's self, property, and interest.

militarization

Because most individuals militarize.

Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven.

AFAIK; there is no empirical evidence that proves that statement. Sure point to the wars, but I could easily point to the times of great splendor, peace, and majesty; or maybe the cultures that went on without violence for most of their history. No; man is selfish and as such will do what it takes to preserver himself, property, and interest first. Peace does not come out of the barrel of a gun. It comes from understanding that violence begets violence, and goodwill begets goodwill.

[Mr.Ganji]

hmmm, you are starting to get under my skin...

the speech was a calling meant to stir hearts and open eyes, not a promise of a utopia. The speech ask man to strive towards the goals of peace and happiness, not saying that they will achieve it but at least to move in that directions. These things he ask are not impossible things they are probable things. The outcome of humanity, the end result can either be peace or destruction, in the end thats all you can have. The speech ask mankind to stop moving itself towards the path to destruction....

maybe you are new here, maybe you are not but you are certainly not original content. These ideas of peace and war have been discussed on this forum by far better people so don't think you are telling me something new. Don't think your pessimistic outlook hasn't been expressed before. I am not stupid and I am not blind, I clearly see the world for what is and because of that i can truly appreciate what Chaplin did, when he did it, why he did it, and how we can learn from it and at least hope for a better tomorrow.

If the world is such a suckass place you think its going nowhere you might as well just /wrist now cause you're certainly not doing anything to make it better.

Oh my. I would dearly like to meet what you consider are people "better" than me. Maybe you are one of them.

The world is a suckass place and yes, its going nowhere right now. There is a Christmas list of problems, big and small, unknown and known that are plaguing the planet right this very moment. The problem is that very few are aware of all the nature-killing and people-killing problems and even fewer politicians are willing to react to it.

No, I will not kill myself simply because the world sucks. It doesn't mean my life will suck. What do you mean make the world better? I can't make the world better. I could be the most powerful man on the planet (President of the United States) and I still wouldn't be able to make the world a better place. I could be the man with the deepest pockets on this planet and still not make a difference.

Why?

Because I would be alone. Lone. Success or failure of this so-called "hope" for a better world would depend on the number of people unitedly working towards the common goal, in this case, "a better world". Unfortunately, even the President of the US won't be able to unify such a large mass of people and create a front on which to save the planet. Corruption and too much religious/materialistic motives exist within our government, which happens to be literally the only government powerful enough to make such a difference. We can't even properly care for our own citizens - how could we ever make the "world a better place?"

Do I sound cold or pessimistic? Yes. But I'm being rational - a "better and peaceful world" is not built on the tiny wishful hopes of individuals.

Mankind is already moving towards death and destruction and not one politican or human being is doing a damn thing about it. America simply lacks the political leverage to accomplish such a thing nor does anyone care. The only thing people care about are money and ease of life.

[Barotix]

There are only individuals. You have to ask: why? Don't just go, "oh the world sucks /end"; "oh, there are so many problems /end." You have to ask why. It all starts with the "nature" of individuals.

[XemnasXD]

Machine man with Machine Heart and Machine Mind.

Its starts with you. If you want to change the world, than change the world. Thats how i view life. If you want to sit on the side and watch it pass you by, then sit on the side. The world is in desperate need of change if you don't want to be a part of that then get the hell out the way but don't make it sound like the fight is meaningless, there are big dominoes that have to fall and im not saying im going to be the one to push them but change is inevitable and we are reaching a critical point in human history. I want to be a part of that inevitability...

[Barotix]

J0in the Revolution MutháFucka.

[SoAyame]

Well, what a load of magical utopian bullshit.

What Charlie Chaplin proves: nothing. Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven. I'm sure most of you have seen little boys playing with toy swords and toy guns. Earth will never be completely peaceful, entirely calm, or entirely happy. Chaplin and the rest of you who try to cling to his message are grasping at straws. Let me tell you - as long as religion, nationalism, lobbyists, corruption and greed, and the endless militarization exist, NO peace, NO happiness will EVER exist.


What Cruor's video proves: that we are (as of now) alone in the entire universe and that humanity has a responsibility to care and protet Earth. Far more feasible goal than wishing for eternal human happiness as Chaplin did. But the same obstacles bar the way - our governments are too blind and too corrupt to do anything about pollution, deforestation, extinct species etc. but definitely not too weak to do anything about it. But alas this is not a perfect world and we still have lobbyists and politicians who will not work for anything but money and power.

I'm sry but imma say this as nicely as possible. Ppl like u digust me to the fullest(harsh i know) Idc atm. If u know anything bout life u know happieness comes from within. U must not be spritual at all menz.Go meditate for a couple of years and come back to me.

religion

Because all religious people are violent, right?

nationalism

Because Modern Nationalism isn't something fairly new concocted in the 17th century, totally.

lobbyists

Yeah; why do lobbyists lobby? Would lobbyists lobby if there were nothing to gain?

corruption

Corruption. You forgot to ask the most important question: Why? Why is there corruption? What is the mechanism that causes it.

greed

Because greed is always bad. If someone saves money are they not being greedy? Are they not thinking and acting in their own selfish desires? Aren't we all greedy? Greed is the driving mechanism behind Human life; there is nothing wrong with preservation of one's self, property, and interest.

militarization

Because most individuals militarize.

Man is naturally prone to violence. Its scientifically proven.

AFAIK; there is no empirical evidence that proves that statement. Sure point to the wars, but I could easily point to the times of great splendor, peace, and majesty; or maybe the cultures that went on without violence for most of their history. No; man is selfish and as such will do what it takes to preserver himself, property, and interest first. Peace does not come out of the barrel of a gun. It comes from understanding that violence begets violence, and goodwill begets goodwill.

Damn ur smart as hell. I love it. How old are u lol?

hmmm, you are starting to get under my skin...

the speech was a calling meant to stir hearts and open eyes, not a promise of a utopia. The speech ask man to strive towards the goals of peace and happiness, not saying that they will achieve it but at least to move in that directions. These things he ask are not impossible things they are probable things. The outcome of humanity, the end result can either be peace or destruction, in the end thats all you can have. The speech ask mankind to stop moving itself towards the path to destruction....

maybe you are new here, maybe you are not but you are certainly not original content. These ideas of peace and war have been discussed on this forum by far better people so don't think you are telling me something new. Don't think your pessimistic outlook hasn't been expressed before. I am not stupid and I am not blind, I clearly see the world for what is and because of that i can truly appreciate what Chaplin did, when he did it, why he did it, and how we can learn from it and at least hope for a better tomorrow.

If the world is such a suckass place you think its going nowhere you might as well just /wrist now cause you're certainly not doing anything to make it better.

Oh my. I would dearly like to meet what you consider are people "better" than me. Maybe you are one of them.

The world is a suckass place and yes, its going nowhere right now. There is a Christmas list of problems, big and small, unknown and known that are plaguing the planet right this very moment. The problem is that very few are aware of all the nature-killing and people-killing problems and even fewer politicians are willing to react to it.

No, I will not kill myself simply because the world sucks. It doesn't mean my life will suck. What do you mean make the world better? I can't make the world better. I could be the most powerful man on the planet (President of the United States) and I still wouldn't be able to make the world a better place. I could be the man with the deepest pockets on this planet and still not make a difference.

Why?

Because I would be alone. Lone. Success or failure of this so-called "hope" for a better world would depend on the number of people unitedly working towards the common goal, in this case, "a better world". Unfortunately, even the President of the US won't be able to unify such a large mass of people and create a front on which to save the planet. Corruption and too much religious/materialistic motives exist within our government, which happens to be literally the only government powerful enough to make such a difference. We can't even properly care for our own citizens - how could we ever make the "world a better place?"

Do I sound cold or pessimistic? Yes. But I'm being rational - a "better and peaceful world" is not built on the tiny wishful hopes of individuals.

Mankind is already moving towards death and destruction and not one politican or human being is doing a damn thing about it. America simply lacks the political leverage to accomplish such a thing nor does anyone care. The only thing people care about are money and ease of life.

I will give u one point. Mankind is fcking up that because ppl are not aware of themselves. There is nothing wrong with greed because greed is not bad in the right hands! Its bad when used for self interest like the gold bot companies! Its the average humans that makes this beautiful place dies. The Earth cries yet no one can hear. ppl need to wake up and stop living in the illusion u can creat whatever u want in life be whoever u want to be. Ppl fail to realize how powerful we truly are! We are energy everything is energy therefore it cannot die or ceased to exist. Learn to manifest things in life the more u focus on negative things the more it happens. There is no good or bad. Ppl truly need to unite instead of look after themselves but ppl just dont get it mainly Westerners(i am one btw.)Most dont even know what chi ki or prana is let alone astral plane to the mental body to the spritual realm.

[Reise]

Look at all this garbage.

Nobody here is showing any wisdom or knowledge by saying mankind does this and mankind does that, we're innately violent, we're greedy, etc. You're no different than anyone else, you work for your keep, you're vengeful, and you're here on SRF trying to improve your image by acting like you're above it.

Mission failed.

[SoAyame]

Look at all this garbage.

Nobody here is showing any wisdom or knowledge by saying mankind does this and mankind does that, we're innately violent, we're greedy, etc. You're no different than anyone else, you work for your keep, you're vengeful, and you're here on SRF trying to improve your image by acting like you're above it.

Mission failed.

lol wut

[Reise]

lol wut

Not just talking to you.

[SoAyame]

lol wut

Not just talking to you.

LOL. Meh ppl got their own opinion. Meh i just don't like negative comments about humans. When ppl aren't even aware of their own bodies. Beyond physical.

[Barotix]

...you work for your keep, you're vengeful [etc] greedy...

>_> I prefer my euphemisms, but the man speaks the truth. Greed drives us all; usually good (for oneself, and as a result others) comes from it, but occasionally a small group can cause some serious shit for everyone.

I mean honestly; there's a reason why soldiers have PTSD(sp) after war. Most people don't have what it takes to really commit a violent act without feeling remorse of some kind.

Edit* and about wisdom; everything that has to be said has been said before we were born. No notable philosophers in our time [unless you consider recycling old material philosophy ].

[SoAyame]

...you work for your keep, you're vengeful [etc] greedy...

>_> I prefer my euphemisms, but the man speaks the truth. Greed drives us all; usually good (for oneself, and as a result others) comes from it, but occasionally a small group can cause some serious shit for everyone.

I mean honestly; there's a reason why soldiers have PTSD(sp) after war. Most people don't have what it takes to really commit a violent act without feeling remorse of some kind.

Edit* and about wisdom; everything that has to be said has been said before we were born. No notable philosophers in our time

[unless you consider recycling old material philosophy ].

[Mr.Ganji]

Because all religious people are violent, right?

There is no such thing as "all" or "none". But religious extremism and violence exists. And as long as it does, humanity won't find the peace you're searching for.

Because Modern Nationalism isn't something fairly new concocted in the 17th century, totally.

I don't give a damn when the word "nationalism" was coined. Its responsible for sparking countless wars and endlessly tense relationships.

Yeah; why do lobbyists lobby? Would lobbyists lobby if there were nothing to gain?

Lobbyists are usually pieces of crap that manipulate powerful politicans and governments into doing whats wrong in exchange for money and exclusive treatment. That's something to gain, isn't it? Quite a productive and moral thing to gain as well.

Corruption. You forgot to ask the most important question: Why? Why is there corruption? What is the mechanism that causes it.

A more urgent question as to why corruption exists is how we can stop corruption. There is no substitute for the truth - every lie, every fallacy a person, politician, or a government engages in is just another blow for this hope for world peace.

Because greed is always bad. If someone saves money are they not being greedy? Are they not thinking and acting in their own selfish desires? Aren't we all greedy? Greed is the driving mechanism behind Human life; there is nothing wrong with preservation of one's self, property, and interest.

Do you know what greed is? It's an excess. An excessive urge to have more than one needs and usually met by illegal activity. Greed doesn't drive human life. Greed drives dishonesty. Do you know what drives humans? Attainable goals. Trying to simultaneously hoard wealth, power, etc. for personal gain and for good, moral purposes is very difficult.

Because most individuals militarize.

I'm talking about countries. Once your country has spent billions of tax money into its defense and everyone else is doing quite the same, you might soon be part of that militarization as a soldier in a war - the inevitable result of militarization. Great implications for world peace, right?

Look at all this garbage.

Nobody here is showing any wisdom or knowledge by saying mankind does this and mankind does that, we're innately violent, we're greedy, etc. You're no different than anyone else, you work for your keep, you're vengeful, and you're here on SRF trying to improve your image by acting like you're above it.

Mission failed.

You assume too much.
Yes, you're right. No human being ever to walk on this planet is not guilty of having committed a "sin" or thought a bad thought or done a bad deed. Did I ever claim that I am clean, or better than SRF? Or immaculate in character and morals? Never. There is bad in all of us, but we obviously tend to use more bad than good. Which is why this world sucks and there is no united front against the destruction of this planet and lives of others.

My mission is simple. To erase false hopes. Hope can provide relief and a motivation to survive even from the darkest situations. But hope alone doesn't make the world a better place. How many of us will truly work for a better world? Sorry, there is no drama like Pay It Forward or anything like that. One man or woman can't do it alone. Being nice to the people around you WON'T make the world a better place to live. 10 people can't do it. 100 can't. We literally needs billions of people thinking and acting for the same cause and casting aside differences to achieve the rather utopian notion that humanity will march towards worldwide peace.

Machine man with Machine Heart and Machine Mind.

Its starts with you. If you want to change the world, than change the world. Thats how i view life. If you want to sit on the side and watch it pass you by, then sit on the side. The world is in desperate need of change if you don't want to be a part of that then get the hell out the way but don't make it sound like the fight is meaningless, there are big dominoes that have to fall and im not saying im going to be the one to push them but change is inevitable and we are reaching a critical point in human history. I want to be a part of that inevitability...

I consider cold, hard facts. Being too emotionally charged never got anyone anywhere.

It starts with me? I sure can do my part - pick up litter on the street, say a kind word to a stranger, smile to anyone, etc. yes, I can do all that if thats what you mean. But I would be changing MY world. Not the outside one - only MINE. Make the world peaceable and happy? It'll take kind words and compassion, yes, but it will also take leadership and money and time andmost of all, other people. Good people. Try convincing Somalians or Sudanese to lay down their arms and help reverse starvation in their country. Not while power is at stake. Like I said before, there are FIVE things this world needs to either eliminate or diminish the importance of before humanity can live happily and in good faith in one another. Corruption. Religion. Money. Militarization. Nationalism. Too many things disunite humans from one another.

Who said it was impossible? Nothing is impossible. Someday, yes, all of your visions might come true - years from now. But "reaching a critical point in human history" won't happen in the near future.

There are only individuals. You have to ask: why? Don't just go, "oh the world sucks /end"; "oh, there are so many problems /end." You have to ask why. It all starts with the "nature" of individuals.

Why? Because people are corrupt, that's why! The nature of man is naturally prone to violence. We are attracted to money and fame. Not the "spiritually" rich and deep vision of a world where everyone is happy and healthy. Until there is a disaster of epic proportions, humans really won't know how to cherish and respect the Earth and one another.

[Avalanche]

Spoiler!

Because all religious people are violent, right?

There is no such thing as "all" or "none". But religious extremism and violence exists. And as long as it does, humanity won't find the peace you're searching for.

Because Modern Nationalism isn't something fairly new concocted in the 17th century, totally.

I don't give a damn when the word "nationalism" was coined. Its responsible for sparking countless wars and endlessly tense relationships.

Yeah; why do lobbyists lobby? Would lobbyists lobby if there were nothing to gain?

Lobbyists are usually pieces of crap that manipulate powerful politicans and governments into doing whats wrong in exchange for money and exclusive treatment. That's something to gain, isn't it? Quite a productive and moral thing to gain as well.

Corruption. You forgot to ask the most important question: Why? Why is there corruption? What is the mechanism that causes it.

A more urgent question as to why corruption exists is how we can stop corruption. There is no substitute for the truth - every lie, every fallacy a person, politician, or a government engages in is just another blow for this hope for world peace.

Because greed is always bad. If someone saves money are they not being greedy? Are they not thinking and acting in their own selfish desires? Aren't we all greedy? Greed is the driving mechanism behind Human life; there is nothing wrong with preservation of one's self, property, and interest.

Do you know what greed is? It's an excess. An excessive urge to have more than one needs and usually met by illegal activity. Greed doesn't drive human life. Greed drives dishonesty. Do you know what drives humans? Attainable goals. Trying to simultaneously hoard wealth, power, etc. for personal gain and for good, moral purposes is very difficult.

Because most individuals militarize.

I'm talking about countries. Once your country has spent billions of tax money into its defense and everyone else is doing quite the same, you might soon be part of that militarization as a soldier in a war - the inevitable result of militarization. Great implications for world peace, right?

Look at all this garbage.

Nobody here is showing any wisdom or knowledge by saying mankind does this and mankind does that, we're innately violent, we're greedy, etc. You're no different than anyone else, you work for your keep, you're vengeful, and you're here on SRF trying to improve your image by acting like you're above it.

Mission failed.

You assume too much.
Yes, you're right. No human being ever to walk on this planet is not guilty of having committed a "sin" or thought a bad thought or done a bad deed. Did I ever claim that I am clean, or better than SRF? Or immaculate in character and morals? Never. There is bad in all of us, but we obviously tend to use more bad than good. Which is why this world sucks and there is no united front against the destruction of this planet and lives of others.

My mission is simple. To erase false hopes. Hope can provide relief and a motivation to survive even from the darkest situations. But hope alone doesn't make the world a better place. How many of us will truly work for a better world? Sorry, there is no drama like Pay It Forward or anything like that. One man or woman can't do it alone. Being nice to the people around you WON'T make the world a better place to live. 10 people can't do it. 100 can't. We literally needs billions of people thinking and acting for the same cause and casting aside differences to achieve the rather utopian notion that humanity will march towards worldwide peace.

Machine man with Machine Heart and Machine Mind.

Its starts with you. If you want to change the world, than change the world. Thats how i view life. If you want to sit on the side and watch it pass you by, then sit on the side. The world is in desperate need of change if you don't want to be a part of that then get the hell out the way but don't make it sound like the fight is meaningless, there are big dominoes that have to fall and im not saying im going to be the one to push them but change is inevitable and we are reaching a critical point in human history. I want to be a part of that inevitability...

I consider cold, hard facts. Being too emotionally charged never got anyone anywhere.

It starts with me? I sure can do my part - pick up litter on the street, say a kind word to a stranger, smile to anyone, etc. yes, I can do all that if thats what you mean. But I would be changing MY world. Not the outside one - only MINE. Make the world peaceable and happy? It'll take kind words and compassion, yes, but it will also take leadership and money and time andmost of all, other people. Good people. Try convincing Somalians or Sudanese to lay down their arms and help reverse starvation in their country. Not while power is at stake. Like I said before, there are FIVE things this world needs to either eliminate or diminish the importance of before humanity can live happily and in good faith in one another. Corruption. Religion. Money. Militarization. Nationalism. Too many things disunite humans from one another.

Who said it was impossible? Nothing is impossible. Someday, yes, all of your visions might come true - years from now. But "reaching a critical point in human history" won't happen in the near future.

There are only individuals. You have to ask: why? Don't just go, "oh the world sucks /end"; "oh, there are so many problems /end." You have to ask why. It all starts with the "nature" of individuals.

Why? Because people are corrupt, that's why! The nature of man is naturally prone to violence. We are attracted to money and fame. Not the "spiritually" rich and deep vision of a world where everyone is happy and healthy. Until there is a disaster of epic proportions, humans really won't know how to cherish and respect the Earth and one another.

[XemnasXD]

So get off your ass and try and be a leader. Do something with your life that will get you some money. Excel in a field that has importance. Make something of yourself instead of just bitching that theres nothing you can do about it. Its really that simple. Until you actually get off your ass and do something to actually help change the world don't even talk about it like its an impossible deed because you clearly NEVER intend to try. You're like those bastards who don't vote and then complain about the president and their senators and why they keep getting the raw end of the deal. Your not doing anything to help, you don't plan on doing anything to help, you can't even THINK of anything to help so just stfu and let the world pass you by...


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[BlackFox898]

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alright, now whose gonna post the video with Morgan Freeman talking about the Galaxy, because i wanna see that video now and i really don't remember what it was called.

[SoAyame]

So get off your ass and try and be a leader. Do something with your life that will get you some money. Excel in a field that has importance. Make something of yourself instead of just bitching that theres nothing you can do about it. Its really that simple. Until you actually get off your ass and do something to actually help change the world don't even talk about it like its an impossible deed because you clearly NEVER intend to try. You're like those bastards who don't vote and then complain about the president and their senators and why they keep getting the raw end of the deal. Your not doing anything to help, you don't plan on doing anything to help, you can't even THINK of anything to help so just stfu and let the world pass you by...


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+9999 eerm I program lol i change the world by hacking bad ppl^^

[Barotix]

Selfishness is excess? I always thought working in one's own self-interest was good for oneself and inevitably/usually good for the whole. I see where your coming from Ganji, but have I not accounted for your responses with my initial post? *shrugs* BTW; you answered a question that was rhetorical. One's goal may not be helping others directly, but a community is very complex. You may have noticed I never type in terms of governments, countries, nations, etc. I see individuals and what they're [in]/capable of.

When I speak of greed I use it's synonym. NVM the cultural

Spoiler!

(Another new word; since when were humans, cultivated)

stigma I see nothing wrong with wanting to accomplish great things for oneself. Usually people act out their own selfish desires without conscience regard for others.

By buying that car are you not giving money to the dealership and thus putting money back into the economy? By saving your money to buy that new "toy" that you may not need are you not paying for the livelihood of others? By buying that house, or putting money in the bank do not build up up credit for others to make purchases upon? By giving out loans to meet your needs are you not satisfying the needs of others? Mutual cooperation via selfish desires, we may not be aware of it, but that is what drives our communities, economies, and governments; except in the case of nation-states they can just nuke the other guy if he refuses to cooperate. Individuals would be thrown in jail for murder. Oh, and the nature of government is different from the nature of man; do not attempt to superimpose government's nature upon the nature of the individual. Anywhoo; that's a small segment of individualism.

[Grimjaw]

That was quite the inspiring speech.

[SM-Count]

Trying to pass a meta-physical discussion off as rational statements while making false assumptions while accusing others of assuming too much, I love SRF.

[NinjaNihonto]

@Ganji: I've quickly read most of your arguments and I'll not be answering them all yet, because I could answer with one single sentence sentence - don't ever think your case is a generality.

I'll maybe post something much longer and filled with arguments tomorrow. Bed time now.

[Reise]

Not voting is doing something in its own way.

It shows that the people are tired of choosing between a giant douche and a shit sandwich.

[XemnasXD]

Not voting is doing something in its own way.

It shows that the people are tired of choosing between a giant douche and a shit sandwich.

or you could be like Baro and vote for someone else. Even though i considered that a waste of a vote if you want to say something it says more to give your vote to someone who deserves it rather than NO ONE AT ALL. Besides theres more than one election, you vote for governor, senator, representative, we vote for our school district council where i live....voting is the only right you have left in this country, use it the way you see fit but don't ignore it

[Reise]

So what do you do when no candidate deserves the vote in your eyes? I have the right to opt out of votes too. People put so much of their patriotism in their voting, it seems if most people didn't there would be no place to show it outside of the 4th of July. YER VOTE COUNTS! EVEN IF YOU VOTE FOR THE NEARLY INVISIBLE 3RD PARTY! IT'S WHAT BEING AN AMERICAN IS ALL ABOUT! Yeah, bullshit. I'm more of a patriot by paying my taxes and working as a citizen than I am voting for one of two jackass politicians. And if you wanna get into it being my right to vote, well that's fine and great, but we all remember Gore should've been president.