Pure INT Bowers For the 100 Cap ???

[Detective]

STR bows are already easy as **** to kill. Why on earth would you make an int bow? Might as well make an int rogue, see how long that lasts in pvp. Even with snow shield, an int bow would be way to easy.

Besides, bows crit hard as hell, why take that away? Without crits, bows are weak. They rely on them soooo heavily its ridiculous.

+1

Pure int bow has like the def of pure int spear with alot less damage dealing..... lol figure that out

[Stephanus]

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In conclusion I think int bow is not the best build arround but it's by far as worst as some people say it is.
Seems to be a fun build too.

Exactly.
You wont get bored:)
I had some pvp, but not that much. You see, a full int bow in garments drops rly fast
Still, a lvl90 full str bow's str bow critted only 14k on me(i had my manashield on but still). And i think thats WEAK against a garment user 12lvls lower.
Right now i try to get d9 sox prots to get my last set so i can pvp properly. Until that, i can speak only in terms of grinding.


EDIT
A sidenote:
Int bow has low defense and hp, so if you want to win a pvp, you have to use every single trick and info about this game/your build/your char. It is easy to pwn with a glaiver/int spear or hibrid blader, but hey, do it with this. I guarantee you will enjoy every pvp until you get some d9 som/sun gear... after that, int bow is overkill and why?(read the guides)

[ahmedsabry]

Guys.. FOR GODS SAKE.. STOP talking about the 90 Cap
READ THE TOPIC
100 CAP
back to back kb
i know STR bows are better for this cap ppl.. PLZ help make the discussion fruitfull...
GOD

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Unlike the sword and shield nuker, the sword and shield nuker will have a shield to defend itself. (Which can block)

A spear nuker has the EXTRA HP and the hard hitting nukes to survive.


So what the fuck does a pure int bow have?

Crits?

Crits are based on STR, so a PURE INT bowmen can't even crit as hard. (Not even 100 cap KB will save your ass, you don't hit hard)

So how will the PURE INT bowmen kill another person?



Simple, wait for your target to go afk.

[Stephanus]

Guys.. FOR GODS SAKE.. STOP talking about the 90 Cap
READ THE TOPIC
100 CAP
back to back kb
i know STR bows are better for this cap ppl.. PLZ help make the discussion fruitfull...
GOD

Ok, sry...
so
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/bowmanship.shtml

Just look at the skills at lvl100.
Str bow crit bonus increases, also the extra range.
You will have like 27m range at most, and thats a LOT.
2 kb, stun, burn/darkness, and on top of that the force trees, wich are
light+ice
See below.
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/cold.shtml
(watch the phys def buffs+passive+ ICE wall series...)
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/lightning.shtml
Magattack power increase+phantom (23.5m range O.o)
Also speed increase (there must be a new book so idk how much is it, but around max 90% if i recollect(based on kompaku)
This will be definitely fun for me >_<

Also there is an old topic.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24752&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
There are some good calculations about damage if you are hibrid.
My point is your crits might decrease, but your average damage increases a _lot_
Also, im searching for the topic in wich someone posted a pic about the damage increase based upon the int/str ratio you have (int increases).
Cheers

[BalkanFanaticS]

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omg wat a noob because builds like these are too narrowed in focus, where the game is and will be very heavily revolving around teamplay. What will your pure int bow do being hit from behind by a rogue whilst distracted (even with snow shield)? At least s/s has a shield, and spear has some extra hp... and why do I have the feeling of having words put into my mouth?!?!

"Wise men are instructed by reason; men of less understanding, by experience; the most ignorant, by necessity; the beasts, by nature." ~ Cicero

thx dude , just wat i was thinkin of

[ahmedsabry]

Edit

omg wat a noob because builds like these are too narrowed in focus, where the game is and will be very heavily revolving around teamplay. What will your pure int bow do being hit from behind by a rogue whilst distracted (even with snow shield)? At least s/s has a shield, and spear has some extra hp... and why do I have the feeling of having words put into my mouth?!?!

"Wise men are instructed by reason; men of less understanding, by experience; the most ignorant, by necessity; the beasts, by nature." ~ Cicero

thx dude , just wat i was thinkin of

dont u just hate ret*rds who cant read? yea...

Ok, sry...
so
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/bowmanship.shtml

Just look at the skills at lvl100.
Str bow crit bonus increases, also the extra range.
You will have like 27m range at most, and thats a LOT.
2 kb, stun, burn/darkness, and on top of that the force trees, wich are
light+ice
See below.
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/cold.shtml
(watch the phys def buffs+passive+ ICE wall series...)
http://sro.mmosite.com/database/skills/lightning.shtml
Magattack power increase+phantom (23.5m range O.o)
Also speed increase (there must be a new book so idk how much is it, but around max 90% if i recollect(based on kompaku)
This will be definitely fun for me >_<

nice.. and about that 27meter range, zomg!
with a light imbue this would be a critting 27 meter AOE attack right? sounds nice

Unlike the sword and shield nuker, the sword and shield nuker will have a shield to defend itself. (Which can block)
A spear nuker has the EXTRA HP and the hard hitting nukes to survive.
So what the fuck does a pure int bow have?
Crits?
Crits are based on STR, so a PURE INT bowmen can't even crit as hard. (Not even 100 cap KB will save your ass, you don't hit hard)
So how will the PURE INT bowmen kill another person?
Simple, wait for your target to go afk.

first off, stop using "f" words unless u want to get banned -.-
second.. just read the d*amn discussion from its beginning. int bowers hit much better than str bowers with criticals. ie:a critical strong bow with an int will do more damage than a critical strong bow with a str.
and for the back to back kbs wont save my as* part.. proof? u wont get hit for more than 1-2 hits max b4 the opponent gets kb again (that is if u get hit at all) and even then u'll have ur snow shield to protect u, especially if ur a litle hybrid.
finally for the "dont hit hard" thing.. i dont think a 6 attack skill with an imbue that has no casting time and gets all the 6 hits done in no time will be weak.. not to mention using nukes/strong bows in conjunction.

[ahmedsabry]

oh and as a future notice.. i am NOT an int bow. this is a discussion for god's sake..
the point of it is to get knowledge and understanding of an unused build, and see if it can have any potential in further caps.
constructive criticism and fruitfull opinions are most welcome.. anything else is really unnecessary.
thx

[BalkanFanaticS]

u can tell me im a retard when u make a char like that and pwn 70%+ of the lv 90 FF ppls ass... till then just stfu about me

[tomiotar]

Ok, I start saying that I don't like the idea of pure int bow mainly becuase is too easily 1-hit on a crit of another bow using strong bow that has crit increase, so if you your oponnet has a bow with crit at least 10 you die almost before start 20% of the fights (you die before you do the kb to cancel the next skill, so having 2 cancelling skills is pointless).

Now, please stop saying nonsense as the amount of str has any influence on the number of crit because thats only depends on the bow and the crit increase of the skill. Second, we work on another post for damage formula and we can already calculate the damage with less than 1% error and trying to found the highest possible damage that a chinnese can deal, Ive found that highest possible damge it will be a strong bow crit but from a pure int with pacheon fire light 90. If you make a pure int with that build you will found that his normal hits are just a bit lower than pure str crits, but when they crit they can go even higher than pure str. Now the problem is making a pure int bow with ice just at lvl 30 is look for problems on pvp. If you choose making the pure int with pacheon light ice 90 then that I said before is not longer true, because you loose magical damage due to use a weaker imbue and you loose 18% of physical damage (even when phys damage is low on pure int, the skills add phys damage not mag damage that it go down when you loose the phys dmg buff), so finnaly you get a pure str critting higher than the pure int again.


So basically you can get a pure int crit higher than a pure str, but the problem is that the build pacheon fire light it works good for pure str but not for pure int, due to their lack of phys defense and lower level of snow shield.

[Hellz]

honestly if you think about it just have VERY quick fingers, bow > kb > kb > switch to s/s or spear > nuke

and repeat....basically ure just choosing between KB (bow mastery) or KD (sword mastery)

[Blurred]

Unlike the sword and shield nuker, the sword and shield nuker will have a shield to defend itself. (Which can block)
A spear nuker has the EXTRA HP and the hard hitting nukes to survive.
So what the fuck does a pure int bow have?
Crits?
Crits are based on STR, so a PURE INT bowmen can't even crit as hard. (Not even 100 cap KB will save your ass, you don't hit hard)
So how will the PURE INT bowmen kill another person?
Simple, wait for your target to go afk.

first off, stop using "f" words unless u want to get banned -.-
second.. just read the d*amn discussion from its beginning. int bowers hit much better than str bowers with criticals. ie:a critical strong bow with an int will do more damage than a critical strong bow with a str.
and for the back to back kbs wont save my as* part.. proof? u wont get hit for more than 1-2 hits max b4 the opponent gets kb again (that is if u get hit at all) and even then u'll have ur snow shield to protect u, especially if ur a litle hybrid.
finally for the "dont hit hard" thing.. i dont think a 6 attack skill with an imbue that has no casting time and gets all the 6 hits done in no time will be weak.. not to mention using nukes/strong bows in conjunction.

First off, dont double post unless you want to get banned. (Btw ƒuck ƒuck ƒuck) Int bowers DO NOT hit hard at all! They can't even party grind, I have friends who took this route, in fact come to saturn, I can give you a list of people to PM who are pure int bowmen with snowshield, and maybe you can watch em pvp, 100 cap or not. Anyways Here is a video of an STR bowmen fighting an str Glavie. This is a STR bowmen with 6 KB and 5 KB and he can BARELY survive against a glavier, NOW picture a Pure int bowmen with no def whatsoever trying to fight a glavier or any other build.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102717

[HawaiianMix]

You can't kill a pure int bow with snow shield on at 100 cap unless you are a euro or have on really good gear.

And btw, pure int bow can wear protector or armor with 60% snow shield + because bow skills require less mp than nukes.

[Stephanus]

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First off, dont double post unless you want to get banned. (Btw ƒuck ƒuck ƒuck) Int bowers DO NOT hit hard at all! They can't even party grind, I have friends who took this route, in fact come to saturn, I can give you a list of people to PM who are pure int bowmen with snowshield, and maybe you can watch em pvp, 100 cap or not. Anyways Here is a video of an STR bowmen fighting an str Glavie. This is a STR bowmen with 6 KB and 5 KB and he can BARELY survive against a glavier, NOW picture a Pure int bowmen with no def whatsoever trying to fight a glavier or any other build.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102717

So we just begun again the "who has the bigger p3nis" theme?
We just discuss possibilities and the possibly potential of a full int bow build(wich i use atm) and thats all.
Fun, not fun, approve, disapprove.
Choose your pick but dont repeat every time that "full int sucks, zomg you are noob".
-.-

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First off, dont double post unless you want to get banned. (Btw ƒuck ƒuck ƒuck) Int bowers DO NOT hit hard at all! They can't even party grind, I have friends who took this route, in fact come to saturn, I can give you a list of people to PM who are pure int bowmen with snowshield, and maybe you can watch em pvp, 100 cap or not. Anyways Here is a video of an STR bowmen fighting an str Glavie. This is a STR bowmen with 6 KB and 5 KB and he can BARELY survive against a glavier, NOW picture a Pure int bowmen with no def whatsoever trying to fight a glavier or any other build.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102717

So we just begun again the "who has the bigger p3nis" theme?
We just discuss possibilities and the possibly potential of a full int bow build(wich i use atm) and thats all.
Fun, not fun, approve, disapprove.
Choose you pick but dont repeat every time that "full int sucks, zomg you are noob".
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Choose you pick but dont repeat every time that "full int sucks, zomg you are noob".

Why do you quote something I never said? Do you know what quotations are used for?

Now here is something that I said: "You are a retard"

Anyways, I'm merely telling you that pure int sucks because of such and such reason. And if you obviously read my previous posts you will see that im disapproving with this build.

Fun, not fun, approve, disapprove.
Choose you pick

[selenne]

should i say what i think?

[BalkanFanaticS]

should i say what i think?

go ahead

[Phix]

But doesn't adding STR increase chance of critical more with every STR point?

As far as I know, STR or INT points have no effect on how often you crit.

Then it only proves further that It's an all round weapon, imo It'd still be better as full STR or a hybrid.

true, a crit DOUBLES phy attck, not the MAG attack, so imbue doesnt get doubled with a crit,

if you go pure int, your phy attack will be so weak that even a crit would only add 2k on a 10k attack lolz.

if your pure str, the 10k attack would be 17/18k with a crit.

[Stephanus]

******

Choose you pick but dont repeat every time that "full int sucks, zomg you are noob".

Why do you quote something I never said? Do you know what quotations are used for?

Now here is something that I said: "You are a retard"

Anyways, I'm merely telling you that pure int sucks because of such and such reason. And if you obviously read my previous posts you will see that im disapproving with this build.

Fun, not fun, approve, disapprove.
Choose your pick

First of all, my apologies for the typoos i made.
After my apologies i have to disagree with you.
Your response+your post before is the exact example for what i wrote.
Call it presumption but it works pretty dam good in this case.
I tell you why.
The dude who started this topic, nor me or the other(better) guide's author stated full int bow will pwn.
Yet, you tell us this build competes badly against other builds and on top of this, you make your arguments based upon a topic wich had a full str bow subject(also your arguments have massive flaws but i will answer in an other msg and show your the pros and cons of thisfull int bow build).
Yes, you might be right but this topic(as ahmedsabry asked us) is all about possiblities and not about the "who is stronger blahblah" theme.

Sincerelly.
Your Retard.

[Interpol]

oh and as a future notice.. i am NOT an int bow. this is a discussion for god's sake..
the point of it is to get knowledge and understanding of an unused build, and see if it can have any potential in further caps.
constructive criticism and fruitfull opinions are most welcome.. anything else is really unnecessary.
thx

Don't you think this build is very much a one trick pony? It might be great to keep one target busy, but that's about it. For it to be worthwhile, it must at least be able to kill that subdued target. If not, then it is no better than a pure str archer.

true, a crit DOUBLES phy attck, not the MAG attack, so imbue doesnt get doubled with a crit, if you go pure int, your phy attack will be so weak that even a crit would only add 2k on a 10k attack lolz. if your pure str, the 10k attack would be 17/18k with a crit.

I agree, but your imbue damage will be many times greater compared to a pure str archer. What a pure int (or heavy hybrid int) archer sacrifices in high hp, and high hitting crits, it "hopefully" gains that damage back in every shot. To even get a decent chance of killing your opponent, you have to rely on skills that have a high hit rate, or high imbue ratio (the % next to the skill, the higher the more magical imbue damage it will inflict). Now as a guide at this cap, 5 hit combo + a shout roughly equals the strongest nuke against an average pure str opponent at cap. heroo can vouch for this since he has played with a pure int bow at 90. For this build to work at 100 cap, those back to back kbs have to be able to kill. The thing is, there are ways around to beat this problem (see above for reference to one trick pony). Forget Euro characters for a moment, and just think 1 versus 1 against another chinese. Glaive can probability block the hits using bloody storm series, and bicheon can do the same using shield tech, and pacheon can do the same trick against you. If you can't kill them fast enough, at least be able to tank a few hits. How many hits could this build tank? Not so much. pacheon/ice/light and you will most likely use garments (for mobility, and defense against magical damage) then you can barely tank with snow shield, and very reliant on it for defense. For this build to work it has to kill within the duration of snow shield, if it does kill at all.

[OTG]

I think at 100 cap they might be able to be good. Unless the INT crits don't help them out.

[Stephanus]

Evil Beast Sinnok's Bow

Weapon type: Bow
Degree: 9 degrees

Phy. attack power 899 ~ 1101 (0%)
Mag. attack power 1438 ~ 1762 (0%)
Durability 86/86 (0%)
Attack distance 18.0 m
Attack rating 124 (0%)
Critical 2 (0%)
Phy. reinforce 164.6% ~ 201.7% (0%)
Mag. reinforce 263.3% ~ 322.7% (0%)

Required level 85
Chinese

Lets begin.
Mag reinforce is 1.6x bigger than phys reinforce and magattack is 1.6x more than phys attack too. Bow has slightly stronger stats than sword (some may complain about this but bow has 18m base range, sword has nothing except range skills), just compare d9 npc weapons.
IMHO there are only 2 true chinese str weapons: blade and glaive coz they have like 1.4x more magattack compared to phys, so they have the most phys damage amongst full str builds chinese side.
As i wrote in my guide, if you reach higher lvls your damage will be +60% more than the pure str builds but not just that, to your damage adds the power of your imbue, wich is magical too, so if you are full int, the damage you do raises even more, compared to full str builds.
Also, your crits decrease too but this wont matter much, coz your base damage is almost as hard as full str bow crits at later lvls.
Also, if you look closely a full int has higher phys ballance than full str!! (just compare the stats or proove me wrong)
This way i have now 108% mag ballance AND 65% phys ballance and this gives me to my base damage extra +20-30% crit damage -> my crits are harder than full str crits AND i have as base damage 75-80% of my crits. So this build is all about high dps, fast attacks and pretty much running away >_<

Becoz full int bow is....
... WEAK
Without manashield, you die. Period.
If you want to survive, you need every trick you can learn about pvp while you have regural gear. But if you are rich, you can buy sox or some awesome pimp stuff and your ability to survive increases a LOT.
Almost every build is geardependent but full int bow sacrifices almost everything for high dps so you _have_ to get some pimp gear -> you have to learn how to make gold. Tons of it.
That was my 2 cents for you Blurred.

[ahmedsabry]

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Choose you pick but dont repeat every time that "full int sucks, zomg you are noob".

Why do you quote something I never said? Do you know what quotations are used for?

Now here is something that I said: "You are a retard"

Anyways, I'm merely telling you that pure int sucks because of such and such reason. And if you obviously read my previous posts you will see that im disapproving with this build.

Fun, not fun, approve, disapprove.
Choose your pick

First of all, my apologies for the typoos i made.
After my apologies i have to disagree with you.
Your response+your post before is the exact example for what i wrote.
Call it presumption but it works pretty dam good in this case.
I tell you why.
The dude who started this topic, nor me or the other(better) guide's author stated full int bow will pwn.
Yet, you tell us this build competes badly against other builds and on top of this, you make your arguments based upon a topic wich had a full str bow subject(also your arguments have massive flaws but i will answer in an other msg and show your the pros and cons of thisfull int bow build).
Yes, you might be right but this topic(as ahmedsabry asked us) is all about possiblities and not about the "who is stronger blahblah" theme.

Sincerelly.
Your Retard.

dont even bother with them man.. some ppl just lack the ability to have a civilised discussion to get to results in a decent and respectfull way. ppl like that shouldnt even be replied to.

back on topic,
so i suppose a full int will be too fragile in pvp (especially 1v1) so maybe we'll switch disussion to an INT based hybrid (~7:1). this will probably -combined with snow shield- fix the fragility problem .
but we need to prove that the INT based hybrid will do more damage than the full STR or the STR based hybrid..
so, is the Formula in that topic viable? would save alot of time rly..

[XMoshe]

Without manashield, you die. Period.

Most ints die without snowshield...

There was a int bower on Xian and he/she was actually pretty strong, I'm not sure about his/her gear but he/she did very nice dmg and survived quite a bit.

/Edit: This one http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=174397 Normal +5 gear, not even 3rd tier chest/pants.

[Stephanus]

Without manashield, you die. Period.

Most ints die without snowshield...

There was a int bower on Xian and he/she was actually pretty strong, I'm not sure about his/her gear but he/she did very nice dmg and survived quite a bit.

/Edit: This one http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=174397 Normal +5 gear, not even 3rd tier chest/pants.

Not just that.
Full int bow has nothing like shield or hp passive. So you might switch to shield if your manasield ends and start to pray or phantom+combo+phantom+combo+str bow and so on. I myself never stay in 1 place while i have a pvp. Standing just there = death.

[Luti]

100 pacheon 100 fire 100 force for 100 cap will be kick ass..
kb kb debuff debuff kb kb 2skills ,if crits he is dead, if not - keep trying

That makesu have no deff at all => u getting owned by str chars

[Amalie]

I was going to write something but there is no point lol, go make your pure int bow.

Bow is about getting high criticals thats where its damage comes from, bow is no good for killing someone with sustained damage over time its skills are to slow compared to glaive, it excells in burst dmg from the criticals.

More str better crits.

[piXie_niXie]

pure int and hybrid int bow are strong

[Amalie]

...and what level is your bow?

[NuclearSilo]

i wonder why this thread still last for 2 pages Oo
it's been discussed for ages that int bow not work at later and later cap.
sword update his skill with fear, dull, other kick ass status and KD probability
spear update KB probability
bow update critical

And why this thread is in GD?