Question about Venus

[Barotix]

if i join the confed build me a kickass uber strong guild can i attack fort?

Yes. BTW; chances are Fly will ask if you're coming as friend or foe so he'll know how to prepare. The guy likes war a lot.

[TeamLosi]

Whats the fun in knowing if your a friend or foe?

[wootpops]

if i join the confed build me a kickass uber strong guild can i attack fort?

Yes. BTW; chances are Fly will ask if you're coming as friend or foe so he'll know how to prepare. The guy likes war a lot.

right right and if i lie and say friend but i will attack will i get kicked?

[Barotix]

if i join the confed build me a kickass uber strong guild can i attack fort?

Yes. BTW; chances are Fly will ask if you're coming as friend or foe so he'll know how to prepare. The guy likes war a lot.

right right and if i lie and say friend but i will attack will i get kicked?

Kicked from the confederation? I doubt it. Chances are you will be treated as a Foe in Fort whenever you sign up.

Whats the fun in knowing if your a friend or foe?

You would have to ask Fly, but I think it has to do with strategy.

[AkillerNXC]

if i join the confed build me a kickass uber strong guild can i attack fort?

Yes. BTW; chances are Fly will ask if you're coming as friend or foe so he'll know how to prepare. The guy likes war a lot.

right right and if i lie and say friend but i will attack will i get kicked?

No. Avalon would take it back the next FW. You have no idea how insanely good at group pvp these guys are.

[wootpops]

No. Avalon would take it back the next FW. You have no idea how insanely good at group pvp these guys are.

who says my guild can't be better? what if we fend them off and pwn them will they get upset and leave?
will they rage and kick me?

[PureStr]

You want to force us to party with you despite the fact that we don't want to?

+1, thats just rofl.

[Barotix]

No. Avalon would take it back the next FW. You have no idea how insanely good at group pvp these guys are.

who says my guild can't be better? what if we fend them off and pwn them will they get upset and leave?
will they rage and kick me?

Fair enough, but they won't leave. Knowing Fly he would use it as a learning experience. As for the rage-kick that won't happen. They don't have the power to do that.

[NuclearSilo]

Theory? What theory, Silo. It was tried on Hera; ask them how they're doing. It was tried on Odin; last I checked it's no longer a legit server for legits. People did try your method for nearly 2 years and now we have a game infested with cheaters. Is that what you want silo? A server that slowly turns into a botter's paradise. You want to know how "awesome" a bot server is? Buy a premium and log into Babel. If cheating is against the rules you really expect us to want to play with them? If you knew someone always cheats at poker would you want to play with him? If you know someone always used world builder in Civ IV to stack his sieges would you want to play with him? People don't want to play with cheaters. Common sense, silo.

So in a short word, members in the confederation will break those rules if you allow them?

[PureStr]

O rly ?

[NuclearSilo]

O rly ?

Just say yes or no, you don't have to distract me ^^

[Argonaut]

if i join the confed build me a kickass uber strong guild can i attack fort?

Yes. BTW; chances are Fly will ask if you're coming as friend or foe so he'll know how to prepare. The guy likes war a lot.

right right and if i lie and say friend but i will attack will i get kicked?

What are you talking about? I've always said the day another legit union takes the fortress from Avalon will be the day Venus is a success. We don't try to avoid confrontation/drama, we try to create it. The more people, the merrier. Whether you hate Avalon or not, as long as your legit your welcome.

Oh yeah and..

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

[Zen]

I'd rather play with Rules not to party with botters than with no rules where its ok to cheat

But this is Joymax's oblong shaped world so sadly your pear shaped idea makes sence to the strange shaped people.

[Barotix]

O rly ?

Just say yes or no, you don't have to distract me ^^

I will only post this one more time: No-one is stopping them from breaking the rules. It is highly unlikely that someone in the confederation will knowingly break the rules "if given the chance" because you keep forgetting these rules are nothing more than individual guild rules that all the guilds agree on. The confederation was created in the very late 80 cap early 90 cap. For the first year of Venus there was no confederation and guess what:

Most wanted to party with legits. Want to know why? Waste of time partying with afkers.
Most wanted to job with legits. Want to know why? Because most legit players on Venus don't like botters.
Most avoided bot-plvl and plvl in general. Want to know why? Because they knew if they were plvled no-one would pty with them, and because most people didn't offer pwrlvl.

The people that wanted to party with bots, job with bots, and support bots in all their endeavors usually quit and joined guilds like WWRU.

Do you get it now?

[Fly]

No. Avalon would take it back the next FW. You have no idea how insanely good at group pvp these guys are.

who says my guild can't be better? what if we fend them off and pwn them will they get upset and leave?
will they rage and kick me?

if u take the fortress then ill congrats u and use it to motivete my guild to becomes even more powerfull so we can take it back.

the whole friend/foe think is just so we know weather or not to kill you. if even a single bot signs up to fight us, we allow the legits the option of comming as friends and not getting attacked just to gang the bot till he cries. once he is gone, its a free for all.

[MiKe 51-50]

It's a damn dictatorship just to be legit? jesus.

[Barotix]

It's a damn dictatorship just to be legit? jesus.

Come on now. We have made so much progress and you come and type something like that? Did you at least read the thread?

[MiKe 51-50]

It's a damn dictatorship just to be legit? jesus.

Come on now. We have made so much progress and you come and type something like that? Did you at least read the thread?

10 pages please. lol

[NuclearSilo]

I got what you said, but do you also get that:
- if they break the rule, is because they don't like the current rule
- if they don't, is because they like the rule, so no matter if you allow them or not, they won't make party with bot.

So give it a try for one week, we'll see what members really want and they show their true self.

Although, with the current rule, you can limit them from doing things, but that's not their true self, so whenever they are out of control (example NB with sub char in another computer not in the confederation, she does whatever she wants) they do it with their true willing.

[Argonaut]

I got what you said, but do you also get that:
- if they break the rule, is because they don't like the current rule
- if they don't, is because they like the rule, so no matter if you allow them or not, they won't make party with bot.

So give it a try for one week, we'll see what members really want and they show their true self.

Although, with the current rule, you can limit them from doing things, but that's not their true self, so whenever they are out of control (example NB with sub char in another computer not in the confederation, she does whatever she wants, that's her true willing).

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.


How can you not get this through your thick skull yet?

[NuclearSilo]

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

- if they break the rule, is because they don't like the current rule
- if they don't, is because they like the rule, so no matter if you allow them or not, they won't make party with bot.

[Zero_Doom]

@wootpops: We constantly invite the other legit unions to attack the fortress. Why would we kick you from Confederation for doing something we would enjoy you doing? It's no fun for everyone to constantly be on the same team, that's why Joymax created the job system within the originally legit environment. Humans are naturally violent, and as such, like to war with one another. So really, I invite you and anyone else reading this, build your legit guild and come take our fort. <3

It's a damn dictatorship just to be legit? jesus.

Good job at reading everything. Congratz on your single post of input that has no real value to anyone that reads it. Seriously, you have done us all a great service by inputting nothing.

@Silo: What was the point of this thread again? You want us to allow everyone to do as they want and bot and do bot parties and bot plvls? You want Venus to do exactly what every other server does? What is the point in our creating such an environment, if we just wanna be like every other server in the end? Seems pointless to me.

[Tasdik]

It's human nature to cheat. That's why there's a law to make sure we don't.

[Argonaut]

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

- if they break the rule, is because they don't like the current rule
- if they don't, is because they like the rule, so no matter if you allow them or not, they won't make party with bot.

That makes no sense. If they aren't in the confederation, breaking a rule shouldn't matter. Your second "point" is just ignorant. Yes, lets get rid of all laws. See how fast the world turns to anarchy.


1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

[PureStr]

As Fly stated, this is pretty much like the Give bots the fortress thingy.
This is plain ridiculous

I have a suggestion for you silo, since you really want to try your idea.
Why dont you go on Phoenix and set up a guild and a confederation with your plan.

[Barotix]

Silo do you think the confederation has been around since the start of Venus?

[NuclearSilo]

That makes no sense. If they aren't in the confederation, breaking a rule shouldn't matter. Your second "point" is just ignorant. Yes, lets get rid of all laws. See how fast the world turns to anarchy.

If the world turns to anarchy, it's because deep down in their heart, they want to cheat.
With the current rule, it only helps you see the half face of the members. If they really want to cheat, they use their 2nd computer/multiclient and bot
Like NB said "I bot from the beginning when i start with the game" and blah blah "... use script" etc... . The face she shows in Venus is only a half, the other half... well you never know.

[wootpops]

1) There are no rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
2) There are no rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.

your like a broken record

[PureStr]

This pretty much sums it all.
You got nothing more to say.

[izmeister]

Theory? What theory, Silo. It was tried on Hera; ask them how they're doing. It was tried on Odin; last I checked it's no longer a legit server for legits. People did try your method for nearly 2 years and now we have a game infested with cheaters. Is that what you want silo? A server that slowly turns into a botter's paradise. You want to know how "awesome" a bot server is? Buy a premium and log into Babel. If cheating is against the rules you really expect us to want to play with them? If you knew someone always cheats at poker would you want to play with him? If you know someone always used world builder in Civ IV to stack his sieges would you want to play with him? People don't want to play with cheaters. Common sense, silo.

I am sorry, but I will have to correct you about the Odin part. Odin did not fall apart because lack of strict rules or not shunning people who are 40+ guildless or whatever other nonsense. It fell apart because our leader (Ritual) had quit and gave leadership to someone who could not handle the job and let the guild die. We just had a great leader, but 2 weeks after he left the server fell apart.