Why Islam should be stronger than European

[Mirosuke]

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

Maybe in your world, lol. I own 90% of china so easy, and Im nothing special dont think Im braging, but top pvp players on my server are euro.

lol in what way? going into stealth>pricking isnt exactly owning nor a fair pvp...

I am Rogue, and cleric skill helps me a lot.

Switch weapons ftw

[Barotix]

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

Maybe in your world, lol. I own 90% of china so easy, and Im nothing special dont think Im braging, but top pvp players on my server are euro.

Last time I checked most players with Chinese sucked at playing their build against Europeans.

[asusi]

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

Maybe in your world, lol. I own 90% of china so easy, and Im nothing special dont think Im braging, but top pvp players on my server are euro.

Last time I checked most players with Chinese sucked at playing their build against Europeans.

Problem is Chinese are hybrid builds...
Euro's are pure...

[Bop]

Maybe in your world, lol. I own 90% of china so easy, and Im nothing special dont think Im braging, but top pvp players on my server are euro.

Last time I checked most players with Chinese sucked at playing their build against Europeans.

Problem is Chinese are hybrid builds...
Euro's are pure...

how is that a problem lol?

[asusi]

how is that a problem lol?

cause some people can't handle hybrid char

[SpeedFreak]

I agree with that its a very good point to make and i hope joymax follow it through

[_Creep_]

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

Maybe in your world, lol. I own 90% of china so easy, and Im nothing special dont think Im braging, but top pvp players on my server are euro.

lol in what way? going into stealth>pricking isnt exactly owning nor a fair pvp...

Please man, dont talk stupid things. High lvl players dont do that, well most of them dont do that.
I was talking about real fair pvp, when you ask your opponent for pvp.

[thechampion80]

ofc chinese players will complain about stuff like that

[Nader]

sorry i cant read your post all i can do is stare at your icon

[_Creep_]

sorry i cant read your post all i can do is stare at your icon

At least something

[UgotOwned]

[Fly]

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if people did not care, they would not post.

[sama98b]

Will see, going to play it in kso anyways 1 year ahead of isro

[Blurred]

No one's stronger than anybody... Most of you guys are defending your build.

When i played my friends lvl 90 bowmen, i rocked a 2hander so easy with a firewall to prevent myself from getting KD, KB and stunned. When he came close to killing me i removed my firewall and i phantomed away i murked his ass. In the end, like euros, all you need is tactics. Dont sit there and get hit like a dumass

[AznFury]

it's not all about the character, it's about how smart the player is.

[jay0303]

wasn't that it was suppose to be i think i read this kind of post before i could be wrong but that be cool having naturally weak people against chinese and stronger then euro ( btw i am making a wiz to plvl my self if islam ever come out

[Blurred]

I wonder how the INT-based islam builds are gonna be like.

[alZen]

how abt islam characters have lowest damage among races, but they can cast +15sec to re-pot ... =)

[sama98b]

I wonder how the INT-based islam builds are gonna be like.

Most likely powning chinese and euro builds, to get ppl to reroll to new character and spend more ... jm ...

[ahmedsabry]

chinese s/s nukers are strong vs euros
that way they'll be like the ubers of the game..
some euro classes suck in 1v1 pvp as well (wizards, clerics, bards), they'll be so underpowered like that

[Qosta420]

Party:
European > Mixed = Islam > Chinese
Solo:
Chinese > Islam > European
E.G.:
Overall, European = Chinese = Islam. A.K.A. Balance

Elaborate:
If Chinese is the best at solo play overall and the worst at party play overall, then they're in the Middle ground Overall.
If European are the worst at solo overall and The best at party over all, then they're in the Middle ground Overall.
Therefore, Chinese = European. (here is where Islam complicates matters)

Islam is speculated, based on information laid ALL OVER the net, to be able to solo decently without much hindrance and be able to party well without ruining the potential efficiency of the party.

Now here is a illustration to explain matters: Imagine a rating, 1 being the lowest possible 3 being the highest. Then take the averages to get the overall balance, afterwards substitute the number in overall for the civilization corresponding with that overall category.
1--------2--------3
European:
[1]Solo
[3]Party
[2]Overall

Chinese:
[3]Solo
[1]Party
[2]Overall

Islam:
[2]Solo
[2]Party
[2]Overall

Overall:
so: [2]=[2]=[2]
Substitution: European = Islam = Chinese

Party: [3]>[2]>[1]
Substitution: European > Mixed=Islam > Chinese

Solo: [1]<[2]<[3]
Substitution: European < Islam < Chinese

So conclusion, Joymax planned the game well:
If you prefer party play, go European.
If you prefer solo play, go Chinese.
If you Like doing both every now and then, go Islamic.

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

sorry but this is still just speculation. just because its said by a moderator of an independent forum dosnt mean it has any more merit than anything i could pull out of my @ss (this is not a personal attack or an insult so please dont view it as such) no one will realy know how Islam will effect the game untill it is released. its driving me crazy that people are speculating and making it out to be claims with some basis. if there is legitimate information on Islam then show us some then give us your oppinon

[Qosta420]

Party:
European > Mixed = Islam > Chinese
Solo:
Chinese > Islam > European
E.G.:
Overall, European = Chinese = Islam. A.K.A. Balance

Elaborate:
If Chinese is the best at solo play overall and the worst at party play overall, then they're in the Middle ground Overall.
If European are the worst at solo overall and The best at party over all, then they're in the Middle ground Overall.
Therefore, Chinese = European. (here is where Islam complicates matters)

Islam is speculated, based on information laid ALL OVER the net, to be able to solo decently without much hindrance and be able to party well without ruining the potential efficiency of the party.

Now here is a illustration to explain matters: Imagine a rating, 1 being the lowest possible 3 being the highest. Then take the averages to get the overall balance, afterwards substitute the number in overall for the civilization corresponding with that overall category.
1--------2--------3
European:
[1]Solo
[3]Party
[2]Overall

Chinese:
[3]Solo
[1]Party
[2]Overall

Islam:
[2]Solo
[2]Party
[2]Overall

Overall:
so: [2]=[2]=[2]
Substitution: European = Islam = Chinese

Party: [3]>[2]>[1]
Substitution: European > Mixed=Islam > Chinese

Solo: [1]<[2]<[3]
Substitution: European < Islam < Chinese

So conclusion, Joymax planned the game well:
If you prefer party play, go European.
If you prefer solo play, go Chinese.
If you Like doing both every now and then, go Islamic.

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

sorry but this is still just speculation. just because its said by a moderator of an independent forum dosnt mean it has any more merit than anything i could pull out of my @ss (this is not a personal attack or an insult so please dont view it as such) no one will realy know how Islam will effect the game untill it is released. its driving me crazy that people are speculating and making it out to be claims with some basis. if there is legitimate information on Islam then show us some then give us your oppinon

[Fly]

The game is already balanced/will be balanced and it isn't Euro VS Chinese VS Islam. At 90 cap the Chinese take their crown back as lords of 1v1.

its 90 cap now, and from what I see, chinese get raped by euros simply because of the euros ability to stack defencive buffs really fast. bless + skins + 2h and your hitting the euro for under 100 damage while they are hitting back 10k average with up to 20k crits on DD.

joymax NEEDS to restrict euros to haveing 1 bless at a time (thats unable to stack with skins or fence) and either give chinese absolute skills or take out oblation.

till then, enjoy the ass rape. im a euro so im loving it

[XemnasXD]

Unless they **** up the droprate, it will take the whole 90 cap before we could perhaps see full sun people (Euro or Chinese)

Thats not the point, though. So far, chinese have been the people with full sunned gears ONLY, and STILL get 1shot by euros. Now that euros and chinese are on even playing grounds for suns, theres no telling what will happen now. 1 shot chinese without life control and still be able to tank? Full sun ints may be 1shotted by euro's..And pure str full sun perhaps from a rogue with crit, but otherwise they are no where near a 1hit. And that's not now the point, and never will be..unless they make the droprate after the 80 cap ofcourse, but let's pretend they won't.

We're ofcourse talking about 1 vs 1...

Okay, in a 1vs1 situation with a war/cleric:

60 seconds - iron + mana skin
45 second - bless spell
60 seconds - iron + mana skin
60 seconds - Use 9,259 Vital Increase, switch to sword/shield and do shield bash

Repeat. You will only be semi-vulnerable for 25% of the time pvping, which in that time you'll have shield up, and a shitload of hp. I'm sure with a full sun set, you'll be able to survive for 60 seconds...

A decent Chinese can tank that too..So that would be a fight to the end.

not really...if the warrior pulls out a 2H while in skin or bless he can easily lay in some really heavy damage

think about, the best chinese builds are the ones that have gone on the defensive, S/S hybrid and Blader. Those are really the only builds that have the power to last through that kind of beating and still survive to dish out damage. Euros are wayy too over powered imo. Like fly said JM needs to link the cool downs on those blessing skills and limit the amoutn of buffs thay can have on a character OR give more ways for chinese to be able to handle Euro damage 1 vs 1 but less effective in party vs party.

Arabia will not balance out the game at all. Just because you introduce a mid-faction will not stop the Euros from doing insanely high damage and the chinese from doing comparatively lower damage. If Arabian are the most balanced one you will probably see a large shift from Chinese players going to Arabian players which not not balance things out it just means the weakest of the 3 will be eliminated and you'll be left with overpowered Euros + moderately powered Arabians and eventually just Euros because in the end they'll still be the most effective in party and in PvP whether its party pvp or 1vs1 pvp.

[tedtwilliger]

make 2h warriors have some kind of handicap

The solution is so simple, it's something I've though about for a while. Warrior buffs are too over powered. So instead of restricting their defense ( they are a tanking class, they should tank well ) simple cut their attack when using defensive spells. When they cast a skin, their phy attack reduces by xx%, lets say 35%. What they gain in defense is equalized by their loss in attack. When they cast fences on someone, their attack should fall as well. They are a tanking class, they shouldn't do the kind of damage they can do while having so much defense. They have attack restrictions on Vital Increase, so lets put it on all the other skills too. This will add a lot of timing and skill into the build, knowing when to use your skins as opposed to casting bless, healing cycle, skins and start attacking >_>

[Crumpets]

To be quite fucking honest, who cares ?

99.9% of the Turkeys / EGY's and whatever other race plays silkroad will migrate into 'ISLAM' just for the sake of it being 'ISLAM'. I rather not be a part of it, no matter how 'amazing' Islam might be.

Fuck sake.

[Fly]

To be quite fucking honest, who cares ?

99.9% of the Turkeys / EGY's and whatever other race plays silkroad will migrate into 'ISLAM' just for the sake of it being 'ISLAM'. I rather not be a part of it, no matter how 'amazing' Islam might be.

Fuck sake.

LOLOLOL

If the islam bladers are as hot as the concept art for them, ill be making one. There garms are gonna be amazing.

10k plys!

no? o.ç ill a.q ur mather!

[Barotix]

@Qosta420;

Islam is speculated, based on information laid all over the net, to be able to solo decently without much hindrance and be able to party well without ruining the potential efficiency of the party.

@Fly; Chinese Botters on Venus don't count and will never count.

Last time I checked most players with Chinese sucked at playing their build against Europeans.

@Xemnas; A glaive in the right hands whoops all ass.

[Fly]

@Fly; Chinese Botters on Venus don't count and will never count

i know that. but its not just venus. chinese on every server dont stand a chance against euros. there are some exceptions like full sosun s/s or glavirs but that just proves how unballanced it is.

euro does more damage. so they naturaly need less defence.

[BloodyBlade]

Well, from what I understand out of your post, you mean that:
Islam > Euro > Chinese > Islam?

If thats true, it will be greatly balanced and fun to job as you said.
I agree with that.

I thought nobody jobbed on isro