Fire Nuker?

[TheSlink]

Heya,

I am looking to build a nuker which i can get to 52 in a few weeks, with some
Help from my friend

Now i see your average Light nukers but.. i want to be different every server seems to have a completely different nuker build, for instance Hera MAINLY light nukers however maybe 4 - 5 Fire nukers, Zeus Like 4 - 5 light nukers from what i have seen..

Now if i want to be a Fire nuker with fire imbue.. can you explain the build..
I know light = 90 Blade, 90 Light, 90 Cold, 30 Fire
But what is a Fires build!?

Oh and im going 7:1 so i thinks its 15 levels of STR so i can tank well without snow shield =]

Thanks for your help!!

[BaronSengir]

fire build for 90 = 90 bicheon 90 fire 60 light and 60 ice and wear prot

[_Sir_Thalas_]

Now i see your average Light nukers but.. i want to be different every server seems to have a completely different nuker build, for instance Hera MAINLY light nukers however maybe 4 - 5 Fire nukers, Zeus Like 4 - 5 light nukers from what i have seen..

Could u explain those numbers???

Now if i want to be a Fire nuker with fire imbue.. can you explain the build..
I know light = 90 Blade, 90 Light, 90 Cold, 30 Fire
But what is a Fires build!?

Oh and im going 7:1 so i thinks its 15 levels of STR so i can tank well without snow shield =]

Man... Be specific before asking...

1)Will u be S/S or Spear? (u won't tank well with a 7:1 spear build)
2)Do u wanna be good in pve or pvp?

Answer my questions so I could answer urs, but a FIRE based built would be like this:
Fire:90
Weapon:90
Light/Ice:60

[TheSlink]

I meant that very few Fire nukers Exist on HERA! so i want to be Unique with being a fire nuker
Where as on Zeus most nukers i see are FIRE!

Im being Hybrid 15 lvl str.. but how does Fire work into my masterys..!


I will be S/S.. Is 60 Cold enough to tank with that snow?
Thanks

[Nellek]

Just go, 90 fire/light/cold.....you get all buffs, PvP wont be for you though..unless you just want to sit back and nuke low lvls just for fun

[TheSlink]

Noo

I want awsome PVP.. with light you gotta wait for stupid snow every 2 minutes and if you die fast.. even longer.. thats why i know Fire Hyb can tank without and its a awsome build.. if a experienced fire hyb can help me

Thanks

[kreisimees]

You can also try to go 90 fire/cold/bich. Amazing for pvp.

[Shadow]

You can also try to go 90 fire/cold/bich. Amazing for pvp.

Yeah, with 30 light. Of course people will be saying "omfg lol wut no light, noob lol, make a new char" but generally most people dont know what they're talking about.
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[TheSlink]

30 Light, is that enough becuase i will have near to no parry ratio..
But without it i can survive yeh!?

[BaronSengir]

lol its not even that much parry ratio that you lose with not taking light just fix whites and blues on gear and use scroll

[Shadow]

30 Light, is that enough becuase i will have near to no parry ratio..
But without it i can survive yeh!?

lol. The difference between 90 and 30 light is 33 parry... It certainly isnt the main factor in your survivability.

[BabyBoy]

You can also try to go 90 fire/cold/bich. Amazing for pvp.

Yeah, with 30 light. Of course people will be saying "omfg lol wut no light, noob lol, make a new char" but generally most people dont know what they're talking about.
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No i believe you don't know what you are talking about. What is the point of taking fire over light on an intel character. Your main stat is INT, you do dmg via int mainly not str so why you need physical dmg buff over magical dmg buff. Secondly your fire nukes do less dmg even with fire imbue when compared to lightning. Even if the dmg produced by a fire nuke + imbue was greater than a lightning nukers the dmg difference wouldn't be too significant and you will hit harder with a mag attack increase rather thank physical attack increase. You also lose mobility (move speed) + ghost walk. Worst part is, this guy in the video is pure intel LOOOOOL. Hes either vsing people in +3 or lower sets or non FF, or perhaps not even level 90's.

Heres one of the guys he vsed, real intimidating
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=7177

[Shadow]

No i believe you don't know what you are talking about. What is the point of taking fire over light on an intel character. Your main stat is INT, you do dmg via int mainly not str so why you need physical dmg buff over magical dmg buff. Secondly your fire nukes do less dmg even with fire imbue when compared to lightning. Even if the dmg produced by a fire nuke + imbue was greater than a lightning nukers the dmg difference wouldn't be too significant and you will hit harder with a mag attack increase rather thank physical attack increase. You also lose mobility (move speed) + ghost walk. Worst part is, this guy in the video is pure intel LOOOOOL. Hes either vsing people in +3 or lower sets or non FF, or perhaps not even level 90's.

Heres one of the guys he vsed, real intimidating
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=7177

Let's compare 90 light and 90 fire.
Light imbue's minimum damage is even lower than ice imbue's lowest possible damage. Means that light imbue can hit even less than the ice imbue of same level ever could... Fire imbue's average damage is roughly 20% stronger than light's if I recall.
Light nukes are all similar, short ranged, transfer nukes. At this cap the their power percentages dont go past (300%). Fire nukes have diversity. Quick single target nuke (267%), penetrating nuke (315%) and aoe nuke (330%). Fire nukes have longer range.
Buffs. Light has mag damage buff, max 18% at this cap, speed 77% increase (+23m phantom) and 67 extra parry points. You can get 100% speed from a bard (in parties) or 100% speed from speed drugs. Parry points, easily from parry blues on gear, and anyway everybody got a lifetime suppily of dodging scrolls from the event... Basically things you will miss are mag damage buff and phantom. Fire gives 78% bad status reduce, 18% extra physical damage, +171 mag defence and the fire wall. Immunity with little alchemy, slightly better weapon skill damage (also higher crits). It's not because of the physical damage buff that some ints choose fire over light. It's because fire is better overall. And when you take 30 light, you still get 7% mag damage increase (and 38% extra speed).

And the video. Those opponents were 90 FF with premiums, some had sun pieces.

[TheSlink]

So the build as i see is,

90 Bicheon, 90 Fire, 90 Cold, 30 Light!

Hopefully this will be strong enough.. to put my worries to rest does anyone know any 90 Fire int videos they can post =]

Thanksss

[OTG]

If you think a 7:1 nuker is gonna tank well without snow you are wrong. I drop even 5:1 nukers without snow and Im a blader. But I think 7:1 is better if you are a fire nuker. I'd say go:

90 Bicheon

90 Fire

90 Cold

30 light

[TheSlink]

Hmm..

Seems like a interesting choice.. i think i will try it =]

If it sucks i will just heart Fire down.. shouldnt be a mammoth job as i De-levelled 90 Glavie for 88 Bow with hearts before THAT TOOK MONTHS!!!

Well its a experiment so i will try!
Any other thoughts.. and can someone hook me up with some video LINKS not inbed them, it doesnt allow high quality

Thanks

[JKMB]

I meant that very few Fire nukers Exist on HERA! so i want to be Unique with being a fire nuker
Where as on Zeus most nukers i see are FIRE!

Im being Hybrid 15 lvl str.. but how does Fire work into my masterys..!


I will be S/S.. Is 60 Cold enough to tank with that snow?
Thanks

Zeus's standered brand s/s are all made after Draska, 90 fire/ice/sword and 30 light, the "Tonic_x" build. Its good against other ints and can tank pretty well due to the defense increase from ice and fire, parry ratio is a MASSIVE problem on this build how ever, str builds with a light imbue or force will rough you up unless you have good parry blues on your gear, also dont expect to move anywhere fast either, this build is also best suited for spear, the s/s nukers on Zeus that you see 'prolly arnt capped, since most fire nukers on Zeus use spear once they hit cap. Btw I would also suggest going pure with this build, you need all the int you can get your hands on since your light mag atk increase is low, and here is a vid.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dsa9C0vYd4

[Shadow]

Zeus's standered brand s/s are all made after Draska, 90 fire/ice/sword and 30 light, the "Tonic_x" build. Its good against other ints and can tank pretty well due to the defense increase from ice and fire, parry ratio is a MASSIVE problem on this build how ever, str builds with a light imbue or force will rough you up unless you have good parry blues on your gear, also dont expect to move anywhere fast either, this build is also best suited for spear, the s/s nukers on Zeus that you see 'prolly arnt capped, since most fire nukers on Zeus use spear once they hit cap. Btw I would also suggest going pure with this build, you need all the int you can get your hands on since your light mag atk increase is low, and here is a vid.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dsa9C0vYd4

Come on, parry difference between 30 and 90 light is ridiculous 33 points. Besides with immunity the opponent's light imbue wont affect your parry (could pill it off anyway), neither will force debuff when you pill it off. Just use those dodging scrolls from the event... everyone's probably got enough of them.. for one lifetime.
Also I dont get why you think this build is better suited for spear. Because many fire nukers on Zeus use spear?
And if you want to move fast, buy speed drugs and you'll move faster than 90 light chars. +38% from the speed buff and +20% from garments is pretty good for me anyway.
And yeah, the light magical damage buff is lower.. But base damage with imbue is higher, so what's all the fuss?

[OTG]

Zeus's standered brand s/s are all made after Draska, 90 fire/ice/sword and 30 light, the "Tonic_x" build. Its good against other ints and can tank pretty well due to the defense increase from ice and fire, parry ratio is a MASSIVE problem on this build how ever, str builds with a light imbue or force will rough you up unless you have good parry blues on your gear, also dont expect to move anywhere fast either, this build is also best suited for spear, the s/s nukers on Zeus that you see 'prolly arnt capped, since most fire nukers on Zeus use spear once they hit cap. Btw I would also suggest going pure with this build, you need all the int you can get your hands on since your light mag atk increase is low, and here is a vid.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dsa9C0vYd4

Come on, parry difference between 30 and 90 light is ridiculous 33 points. Besides with immunity the opponent's light imbue wont affect your parry (could pill it off anyway), neither will force debuff when you pill it off. Just use those dodging scrolls from the event... everyone's probably got enough of them.. for one lifetime.
Also I dont get why you think this build is better suited for spear. Because many fire nukers on Zeus use spear?
And if you want to move fast, buy speed drugs and you'll move faster than 90 light chars. +38% from the speed buff and +20% from garments is pretty good for me anyway.
And yeah, the light magical damage buff is lower.. But base damage with imbue is higher, so what's all the fuss?

I agree, light is being replaced by pills and drugs. Only downside is the Force Piercing Force (Magical Damage Increased by a certain %).

[Shadow]

I agree, light is being replaced by pills and drugs. Only downside is the Force Piercing Force (Magical Damage Increased by a certain %).

It is the reason why many people choose light as their main tree (as ints), but I believe fire's superior imbue and nukes more than compensate for the lack of this buff.

[KsqueaKJ]

why not just go 90 bicheon 90 fire 60 ice 60 light? or 72 ice and 48 light

[TheSlink]

There is a very nice PVP video on YouTube of a Spear Hyb 7:1

90 Spear, 90 Fire, 60 Light, 60 Cold in the video it seems to tank well, apply it to a S/S in garms i think it should surive!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z1aOrTWXPQs

^^^ Watch that

So opinions..

90 Bich, 90 Fire, 90 Cold, 30 Light
90 Bich, 90 Fire, 60 Cold, 60 Light

What build in PVP would be better tanker and killer! dealing good damage!

Thanks

[JKMB]

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=678186
_7up_ has multiple sun pieces.
go 90 ice, you will need it, esp' with a pure int s/s.

[RogueKiller]

There is a very nice PVP video on YouTube of a Spear Hyb 7:1

90 Spear, 90 Fire, 60 Light, 60 Cold in the video it seems to tank well, apply it to a S/S in garms i think it should surive!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z1aOrTWXPQs

^^^ Watch that

So opinions..

90 Bich, 90 Fire, 90 Cold, 30 Light
90 Bich, 90 Fire, 60 Cold, 60 Light

What build in PVP would be better tanker and killer! dealing good damage!

Thanks

90 Fire
90 Light
90 Ice
I hate to say it but it is a killer. I don't know why but people with that build seem to hit harder and since 90 cap release I cant figure out why.
Also the video is a terrible comparison. Those pure str characters were all dieing way too easily. Theres something wrong, they are using lower pot sizes or keeping the autopot too low. Or they have around 20k hp which is ridiculously low for a lvl 90 pure str. 3-4k a hit should not kill any pure str that fast.

[TheSlink]

Urrg..

The most borring i see, no KD just nuke after nuke id get tired and sleepy before the other guy dies!

Someone answer my prevous question i posted before?

Thanks

[Shadow]

90 Bich, 90 Fire, 90 Cold, 30 Light
90 Bich, 90 Fire, 60 Cold, 60 Light

What build in PVP would be better tanker and killer! dealing good damage!

Thanks

Both. I think it's all about your own preferences now. If you take the one with 60 light, you might want to hybridize a bit, something like 85-90% naked mag balance, or at least I would. The other with maxed ice would work as pure int nicely, or very int-heavy hybrid. Both will be dependant on snow shield, especially against strs, even though both just might be able to tank some ints without it if you wear good garments. Both are good choises.

[JKMB]

STR heavy hybrid, like 1:2, would be best suited for 60 ice/light.
Going hybrid s/s to start with isnt the best of ideas, esp' not a heavy hybrid s/s. therefore as a light hybrid s/s or pure int, you need 90 ice, cuz you CANNOT hope to tank with a weak ice guard, your survial rate outside of snow shield will be none existant, and snow shield only lasts for 2mins.. as I said before, this build needs EVERY int point in can get to make up for loosing mag dmg increase at lvl100, if you want a build that can tank and deal damage, this is the one for you, DO not hybridise unless your extremly light, like 1:8, and if you do hybridise then screw s/s all together, it wont do any dmg at all and you would be better suited with spear.

[Shadow]

and if you do hybridise then screw s/s all together, it wont do any dmg at all

Yeah all ints lose damage when they hybridize but... No damage at all? That's just....

[Sauron]

You can always go with the 90 fire/90 weapon/80ice/40 light.

-That 10 extra light gives you 47% moving speed, 10% mag increase.
-At 80 ice, you will get the 50% snowshield but you will lose some phys defence.
-Fire 90 would give the strongest nukes + imbue.
-Weapon is up to you (Bicheon if full int or Heuksal if hybrid int is advisable)
-You can always wear protector to cover things up.

I was thinking about this build too, but I don't know whether if I should go bicheon or Heuksal. The other thing is I don't know if I should go full int or hybrid. Little help on this please? xD

[AznFury]

imho, anyone who takes heuksal should go hybrid to have stronger heuk attacks and more health.

90 heuk/fire 60 light/cold