Zeitgeist: Addendum (sequel)

[heroo]

Don't know if it has been posted before, but this is the sequel of Zeitgeist.

It's quite interesting.

Zeitgeist: Addendum

[Draquish]

Will watch tonight. Thank you.

(I've watched the 1st one already)

[Ilove2quack]

Watched it few days ago, worth the 2hours

[Grimjaw]

Highly interesting heroo.

[XemnasXD]

oh..this is new

[l05tfr33k7]

ill watch it in a while. thx for letting me know there was a sequel .

[CrimsonNuker]

Can somebody tell me what these Zeitgeist movies are about?

(Please no essays)

[Reise]

Conspiracy theories.

[Barotix]

It was good until he said capitalism was the root of all evil and then went on to explain how the Venus Project or laissez faire capitalism would save us all. =/

[Reise]

I'm not watching it, the first one tried to say 911 was a hoax. That's enough for me to determine these guys are morons.

[Squirt]

They said 9/11 had enough evidence that lead them to believe it was a hoax.

I'll watch tomorow.

Sequels aren't as good as the original though.

[dom]

I'm not watching it, the first one tried to say 911 was a hoax. That's enough for me to determine these guys are morons.

Wow, he's on a roll.

[l05tfr33k7]

saw 30 mins of it so far. you gotta pay close attention or otherwise it may seem too complicated. very interesting though.

i just see it as a proof to an obvious understanding that the bankers control everything. but too bad most people are not intelligent enough to understand or are too apathetic about it.

btw, loved to see the connection to Ron Paul.

will finish watching it tomorrow.

[XemnasXD]

I'm not watching it, the first one tried to say 911 was a hoax. That's enough for me to determine these guys are morons.

the 9/11 thing may have been a stretch but the origin of the christ figure and the global economy were parts were watching imo. I just don't like it when ppl use Zeitgiest as the Bible and run acting like they know exactly whats happening because they saw a movie...

[Blurred]

I'm watching it, hes talking about Hugo Chavez right now... interesting

[Midori]

Fell asleep when i watched the first one in class. I caught bits of it while i slept. teacher asked what we thought about it, and i said "It's just some conspiracy theorist bullshit." he lol'd and moved on.

I don't watch conspiracy theories bullshit because it pisses me off how people actually believe it. the 9/11 ones piss me off the most.

[Du De Wei]

I liked the movie it teaches ignorant people how the monetary system works as for the venus project it was like lol? noone works and everyone turns into fat computer bloggers lol

just because 9/11 is a conspiracy well it could or could not be does not mean that the monetary system is some sort of conspiracy stupid people just dont realize it yet, It's a zero sum game and life isnt fair so deal with it lol

on a side note I did find the religion bashing in the first movie rather funny lol

[iGod]

Well imo the only downside to the venus project idea is that it would make us mellow and defenceless. It would be a good tactic for a homeworld, but we still didnt colonize any other planets.. and we don't have any defence in space. So "martians" would rape us pretty much. Not the most popular idea ever but yeah.

[Berto]

Dunno why the 9/11 conspiracys might spark anger in you guys when it just opens up your mind to different ideas. It's not meant to force feed you anti-government nuthead conspiracy stereotypes that you guys perceive, look at it from a standpoint where the ideas presented in the inside job theories do provide some good evidence that oppose the official story and that they (Government/media) aren't explaining everything to our satisfaction. There are so many unanswered questions left that these videos take up themselves to answer. I commend them for that.

N i'll check this video out. The first one sorta shook me a bit when it crossed into religion as astrology or some shit. That was a little intimidating to comprehend as religion is a big part of life today.

[Barotix]

I liked the movie it teaches ignorant people how the monetary system works as for the venus project it was like lol? noone works and everyone turns into fat computer bloggers lol

just because 9/11 is a conspiracy well it could or could not be does not mean that the monetary system is some sort of conspiracy stupid people just dont realize it yet, It's a zero sum game and life isnt fair so deal with it lol

on a side note I did find the religion bashing in the first movie rather funny lol

Personally I think that was the most annoying part. One complains that fiat money is terrible, digitizing money is terrible, and people are getting dumb/lazy etc then one proposes complete decentralization with a digital monetary system. Like the Stateless society I and the Austrians proposed it has one glaring flaw: National Defense. Everything is fine and dandy until you bump into a Nation-State that doesn't fancy diplomacy.

[Midori]

Dunno why the 9/11 conspiracys might spark anger in you guys when it just opens up your mind to different ideas.

You don't know why? Would you like some guy to go up in your face saying that your family/friend didn't die and the government is lying about it? Those conspiracy theorist don't have any respect for the people that died that day. The shit these 9/11 conspiracy theorist come up with gets disproved all the fucking time. Thats why loose change keeps making revisions, they've even gone back on some of there things and realized that their conspiracy was wrong and need to take attention off of it.

[XemnasXD]

Dunno why the 9/11 conspiracys might spark anger in you guys when it just opens up your mind to different ideas.

You don't know why? Would you like some guy to go up in your face saying that your family/friend didn't die and the government is lying about it? Those conspiracy theorist don't have any respect for the people that died that day. The shit these 9/11 conspiracy theorist come up with gets disproved all the fucking time. Thats why loose change keeps making revisions, they've even gone back on some of there things and realized that their conspiracy was wrong and need to take attention off of it.

The MLK assassination was done by the Government, nowadays most historians will agree with that, but it started as a conspiracy theory.

The US's interference in South America and there responsibility for the rise of dictators is now well known, but it started off as a conspiracy theory.

Pearl Harbor was not only expected but actually wanted by the US Gov't. They goaded the Japanese into attacking them by using embargoes and cutting off their supplies of necessary utilities like Rubber and Oil. Most people are taught that it was an unprovoked attack and most ppl still believe that, but it is not the case. The US Gov't sacrificed the lives of all those men who died at Pearl Harbor so they could enter WWII.

All these things start off as conspiracy theories until ppl dig deeper and deeper and discover the truth. I don't know enough physics to believe everything in Zeitgeist but i also don't know enough physics to believe that those planes had the power to knock those towers down the way they did. But Zeitgiest makes me think, other sources make me think, and i would not put it past our own Gov't to do something like that. Notice as soon as it happened we did not scour the world for Osama Bin Laden, we went straight for Iraq which had nothing to do with him, Afghanistan had more to do with Osama than Iraq but we didn't send extra troops their and take over that country. These things are suspicious, if the US sacrificed lives and created "A day that will live in infamy." Why wouldn't they be willing to sacrifice more lives to enter a completely unjustifiable and illegal by all standards War in Iraq.

There are some conspiracy theories that are nuts, and then their are ones that not only plausible but very probable and very possible. All it takes is the ability to see that something isn't quite right. I don't like people who blindly ignore and get completely defensive at things like this because they're refusing to see a bigger picture, history tells us we've used tragedy to enter wars before, to not learn from it does a true injustice for those who gave their lives for it. I think its more patriotic to ask these questions and second guess whats shoved down are throats than to completely ignore it and 40 years from now get slapped int he face with another very similar catastrophe just because you don't like ppl asking questions.

[Barotix]

I think its more patriotic to ask these questions and second guess whats shoved down are throats than to completely ignore it and 40 years from now get slapped int he face with another very similar catastrophe just because you don't like ppl asking questions.

QFT

[heroo]

Dunno why the 9/11 conspiracys might spark anger in you guys when it just opens up your mind to different ideas.

You don't know why? Would you like some guy to go up in your face saying that your family/friend didn't die and the government is lying about it? Those conspiracy theorist don't have any respect for the people that died that day. The shit these 9/11 conspiracy theorist come up with gets disproved all the fucking time. Thats why loose change keeps making revisions, they've even gone back on some of there things and realized that their conspiracy was wrong and need to take attention off of it.

i don't think these people are trying to disprestect the people who lost their life on 9/11.

they are trying to make people think about it. don't believe everything you see on television or what may seem plausible. leave your mind opend for other theory's.

[Midori]

i don't think these people are trying to disprestect the people who lost their life on 9/11.

they are trying to make people think about it. don't believe everything you see on television or what may seem plausible. leave your mind opend for other theory's.

They aren't trying but the are disrespecting the dead. I don't believe everything i see on TV. At one time, i did think 9/11 was done by the government but when i actually opened up my mind to how those theories are complete bullshit i realized how fucking stupid they are. I do leave my mind open for theories, but i also look on how they can be wrong.

[XemnasXD]

i don't think these people are trying to disprestect the people who lost their life on 9/11.

they are trying to make people think about it. don't believe everything you see on television or what may seem plausible. leave your mind opend for other theory's.

They aren't trying but the are disrespecting the dead. I don't believe everything i see on TV. At one time, i did think 9/11 was done by the government but when i actually opened up my mind to how those theories are complete bullshit i realized how fucking stupid they are. I do leave my mind open for theories, but i also look on how they can be wrong.

So were the ppl who thought the MLK assassination was a conspiracy disrespecting him? Were the ppl who thought Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy disrespecting them?

[heroo]

They aren't trying but the are disrespecting the dead. I don't believe everything i see on TV. At one time, i did think 9/11 was done by the government but when i actually opened up my mind to how those theories are complete bullshit i realized how fucking stupid they are. I do leave my mind open for theories, but i also look on how they can be wrong.

i also don' think 9/11 was done by the government, but i do think they could have prevented it. they had many signs.

and they possibly could have let it happen, because of the advantages they thought it would bring.

Call me ignorant if you like, but i don't believe that two planes can arrive at New York so easily and manage to fly into the biggest building in New York without anyone in the government/military knowing about it. We're talking about the freaking U.S here, you guys most likely have the best air defense in the world. how could this happen?

[Blurred]

They aren't trying but the are disrespecting the dead. I don't believe everything i see on TV. At one time, i did think 9/11 was done by the government but when i actually opened up my mind to how those theories are complete bullshit i realized how fucking stupid they are. I do leave my mind open for theories, but i also look on how they can be wrong.

i also don' think 9/11 was done by the government, but i do think they could have prevented it. they had many signs.

and they possibly could have let it happen, because of the advantages they thought it would bring.

Call me ignorant if you like, but i don't believe that two planes can arrive at New York so easily and manage to fly into the biggest building in New York without anyone in the government/military knowing about it. We're talking about the freaking U.S here, you guys most likely have the best air defense in the world. how could this happen?

The plane was hijacked. The "Terrorist" stole the plane in mid-flight. It's not like the U.S could shoot down a plane full of civilians. I think these terrorist had no weapons either (not sure).

(I think the government did it. The evidence is so clear.)

[heroo]

well if that is the case they failed twice imo.

1st: letting the plane being hijacked in the first place.

2nd: if they knew the planes were going for New York, they should have taken them down. how hard and cruel it may seem.

[dom]

This video takes people who are ignorant of the economic system and tells them about well known facts in ways that make the people feel like they are now above other people that don't know the government's dirty little secret.

It has become a trend for idiots to take things that everyone knows, dramatize them, and then spread them to the general public who are shocked because of their ignorance of how the world works.

I only watched a part of it because I fell asleep. I did however pay attention to the first section that talked about how the monetary system works in the US. Guess what? The fact that inflation exists is something that is well known, and the fact that debt is REQUIRED to keep the money supply elastic is not only REQUIRED but a concept taught in any introductory economics class. That is why people always say that national debt is required to keep money circulating around the World, without it there would be something similar to the credit freeze in the US, but at a global scale with no one to offer bailout plans.

Yes the fact that inflation exists raises the cost of living, but at the same time wages are always getting larger as well. It's not a perfect system, but the fact that they don't explain what debt means is just another way that they **** the average ignorant person that watches this video and thinks they've found the key the solving society's problems. Private debt, the kind with a negative connotation that they exploit to make people worry when they hear that every dollar created comes out of debt, is different from the debt accrued by a nation. When you earn money from your employer, you trade your time for it - you don't trade a 10% deposit. Because of that you are not in debt the moment you are born. You have to pay interest rates to loan money, but ultimately a person who works hard his entire life, and is given the opportunity, will one day not only be debt free, but have a surplus so that they can retire.

Here's something anyone should be able to understand, and is vaguely introduced in the movie. When your government prints money, because of excess supply, it will lose its value compared to other currencies. Because of that, in the long term, you are never really creating any extra value in the first place. If you don't get any value out of a loan, then you're not really loaning anything - only promising to pay a sum of money to the federal bank at a later date, right? So fundamentally, at a national scale, when you're "loaning" money you're simply transfering funds from tomorrow to today. You're paying for stuff today with money you will make tomorrow. If we were always in surplus, we would never have a need for debt and we would be able to eventually pay off any debt we have now - if that were not possible there wouldn't be years where we can pay down a portion of the debt. The problem is that we are not always in surplus, and we sometimes need a patch to keep things together until we are back into surplus. The interest rates are there to take inflation into account. If you were to borrow $100 in 1909, and paid it back today, the VALUE of that is mismatched. To help equate it, they throw in interest rates. The interest rate is composed of the real interest rate plus inflation, so you might be thinking that it's already indexed for inflation and that any real interest rate would be the cause of perpetual debt. When the government spends money, say on airplanes, the money buys capital that is of equal value of the monetary assets lost. But, all that money goes to people who are taxed, those people spend money on items that more people get paid to produce, and it goes on and on to the point where the government is collecting a portion of its expense back in taxes + transfering money into capital assets. Because money cannot be created, and only transfered, the real interest rate is there to secure a part of the profits made by the government so that everything balances out.