Another look at imbue's...

Geobot · Post by **Geobot** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:27 pm

either way, it still proves her point. the lower your magic balance, the less difference you'll see between imbue damages.

so, if she's low level, then as she gets higher the damage difference will be even less, and you'll see an even smaller difference. if she's higher level, then it's still a much smaller difference than most people make it out to be.

either way, the point is that at a decent lvl a pure str wouldn't see a huge difference in imbue damage.

chrissy · Post by **chrissy** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:25 pm

kitary wrote:when you did these tests , wat was your str chars mag ballance ???

couse lower lvl str chars have higher mag ballance than higher lvl str chars

this is becouse str chars put points into str each lvl , so each lvl thay get higher their mag ballance drops

When did i do these tests? Do you mean lvl, if so lvl 26, didn't change buffs/EQ/stats whatever during the test.

Good point about the mag balance, but I dont think it affects the difference between these 3 imbue's becouse if your mag balance drops 10%, all the imbue's will have 10% less mag dmg, no difference between them. My phy balance was 97%.

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:33 am

well you guys pick a different imbue for pure str if you want to, i'm sticking with fire. Take 2 pure strs, same lvl and mastery lvls , same npc equipment and weaps and let them fight the same giant. the one with the fire imbue will win. imo fire imbue is best for pure str and lighting is best for pure int.

PB_and_J · Post by **PB_and_J** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:30 pm

twin8620 wrote:well you guys pick a different imbue for pure str if you want to, i'm sticking with fire. Take 2 pure strs, same lvl and mastery lvls , same npc equipment and weaps and let them fight the same giant. the one with the fire imbue will win.

Do you know that for a fact, or it just your opinion?

Deadly EYez · Post by **Deadly EYez** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:39 am

Well for me i am getting buffs from fire anyways, so ill get the imbue.
It dose more dmg, and i don't have to farm sp more just to get the buffs from fire..

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:44 am

i know for a fact. Fire is the best overall imbue. For god sakes go to the korea sro site and goto the screenshot section. A good 95% of the builds you see there are using the fire imbue. For max dmg you will be wanting to use fire imbue. gg

Nannari · Post by **Nannari** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:25 pm

twin8620 wrote:i know for a fact. Fire is the best overall imbue. For god sakes go to the korea sro site and goto the screenshot section. A good 95% of the builds you see there are using the fire imbue. For max dmg you will be wanting to use fire imbue. gg

We've all agreed to that, on average, fire does the most damage. but this was beside the point here. The point is, is an additional 3-5% damage worth it? when you could either splash damage (and gain XP faster) or freeze monsters ( Saving HP pots)..?

I personally will go Ice glaiver the next time i start a new character.

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:08 pm

Ice imbue deals low damage everyone agrees that but i think lightning and fire imbue is very close. One can lower down parry ratio thus you can hit higher whereas the other one hit higher damage with only burn effect.

For those str/fire/lightning glaive people, instead of choosing only 1 of the buff, why don't you spend some extra sp to get both imbue to get their advantages in terms of damage?

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:36 am

heres the thing about having just about everybody using fire imbue. 80% of the population is STR of some kind so it doesnt make sense to use a lower imbue. STR is all abouut kill kill FU, so how do people retaliate.....by Kill Kill Kill FU, aka fire^_^

Captain_Beautiful · Post by **Captain_Beautiful** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:26 pm

Greetings fellows, I don't suppose it will be too hard to get both imbues (fire and cold). Each certainly has its own use in particular situations. As for lightning, it looks really cool.

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:41 pm

wow time to rethink my strategy. :roll:

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:16 pm

Lol...Ice is actually good. Although you can pill it, you get about 1 second extra as your advatage. But i won't be adding it because of the mastery limit...dam it...should increase it to 400!!!!

GhozT · Post by **GhozT** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:36 pm

Okay, I just have one question...
Doesn't Piercing Series also increase the damage on the Fire Imbue and/or the Cold Imbue? Because they are both "magical damage" aren't they??

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:40 pm

GhozT wrote:Okay, I just have one question...
Doesn't Piercing Series also increase the damage on the Fire Imbue and/or the Cold Imbue? Because they are both "magical damage" aren't they??

Yeah it does.

It doesn't matter what imbue you use as a Pure Str.

Ice slows mobs, but they're still going to attack you.
Lightning does parry reduce, and transfer, but transfer is useless.
Fire burns for pretty good damage, and has the most magic damage.

Choose one and stick to it. Doesn't matter which.

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:26 pm

cold does one thing, annoy the hell out of you and when ur mind goes crazy(thats when u lose). even if u cant be frozen.....having yourself fortbitten every time u pill is hella gay.

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:41 pm

If you can't be frozen, you can't be frostbitten either.

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:41 am

ShizKnight wrote:If you can't be frozen, you can't be frostbitten either.

really...

wavewalker11 · Post by **wavewalker11** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:30 am

when u got fire/light no worries

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:46 am

woah woah woah woah...

Ok, I just re-read this whoooollllllleee entire thread over again.

this is for pure str builds....

....So does my idea of a super-fast, high def nuker (meaning ice+light nuker) sound good?!?!?!?

IM CONFUNKLED...(confused.)

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:21 pm

Yup. In terms of damage i give you 8/10. In terms of annoyance, i will give 9/10

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:44 pm

are you calling me annoying?

Or are you saying that light+ice nukers are annoying?

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:45 pm

Yes. If one if not 100% immune to ice, you will be freezing that person before he reached you. Then you flash run and nuke. How cheap can that be?

Deadly EYez · Post by **Deadly EYez** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:42 pm

I think ice is good only with bladers and archers as str builds, if the one you are fighting isn't immune to ice, but for nuker, you don't hit that fast so ice will be usfull.
and is 5% chance to freeze them before they get to you. so i'd go with the higher dmg imbue.

I was ice blader but after the new alchemy update i changed to fire and it seems to be great for me..

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:54 am

I don't care if you think it's annoying, when im going out thieving, Im gonna sneak up on the 2star merchant anyway, why not throw an ice nuke and hope that they didn't bring abnomal status pills....?

So. AS I see it, Since my whole most favoritest loved job is thieving, which requires you to kind of be a.... ninja ..... :twisted:

Why not be a nuker? The build that requires you to kind of be a..... ninja..... :wink:

Plus im not 100% concerned with PVP, I want to be able to kill everything without it really hitting me, plus when im getting mobbed, and I throw a ghost-spear, and freeze//frostbite the mobs that are about to kill me. I can survive that way. :wink:

Ice makes up for meh nukeage's lack of health. :roll:

beav · Post by **beav** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:43 am

I dont think a nuker should have ice for their main imbue. The point of a nuker is to kill fast and do high damage. You will always lose to a str 1v1 so wats the point. Nukers only have 1 use, to do high damage and suport your fellow str players in job or guild war. If you want to freeze, why not get frost nova. 50% freeze XD

personally i dont like fire/light because you need 2 much sp. You need to lvl fire for the imbue/nuke and light for the nuke/buff. Why not go light as your main. Almost same damage as a fire nuker and you save tons of sp, which can be used to up your weapon mastery or w.e

im a light/cold nuker btw. (switched form fire/light)

mooncherrie · Post by **mooncherrie** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:05 pm

Sometimes, when I am hitting a monster with fire, it would do the same damage as my hit. Like if I hit for 1115 and then I get a 1115 fire damage too.

omfgwtfpwnt · Post by **omfgwtfpwnt** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:54 am

chrissy wrote:Lightning has a parrio ratio decrease effect, the probability is 20%.
Parrio ratio decrease increases the chance of doing max dmg on a monster, so after the effect of lightning imbue you will probably do the same dmg as when using the fire imbue or even more!

Erm, parry doesnt mean the enemy will take less damage. It is the chance that the enemy will block ...

omfgwtfpwnt · Post by **omfgwtfpwnt** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:16 am

or doesn't it?

Kew · Post by **Kew** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:24 am

chrissy is right, electrich shock has nothing to do with blockrates and critials and all the other fantasies people have. the parry will be reduced by 50% thus the victim will have a higher chance to take more dmg

lately i found lightning incredibly useful for a glaiver for the fact that it can transfer stun. its great! im only using the first book for pve (a lot less mana used for a bit less dmg) and i often stun a mob other then my target
same for pvp. the higher books transfer up to a 5 meters distance. the stunning chance is the same 20-25-30% depending on the skill. its almost as good as ice, except that noone is immune to stun =)

and its also drawing mobs to me so i have to run less which also helps

Neverend · Post by **Neverend** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:49 am

Omg I still dunno which imbue to learn :oops:

I'm a pure STR glaive user, learning fire and lightning tree, so anyone can just help me choose one?

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