Blader VS Warlock

[360apples]

Blader VS Warlock.

In your opinion who has more chances to kill?

What would be a good build VS warlock is 90 bich 90 fire 90 light 30 ice fine?

What would be a good tactic for killing warlocks?

thanks.

[BabyBoy]

Warlock unless the blader has special pills, it also depends though what the warlocks sub class is.

[Goseki]

deps who sees who first. If warlock targets the china, he will debuff. Which will probably mean the china will lose. If the china sees first, he can do 2 things. If it is a 1 vs 1, he could cast fire/ice wall and wait till the euro gets close. If it's an open battle, either cast a nuke and hope that kills (really bad strategy) or kd and stab him till he dies. At the same lvl, even with snow and ironwall i can barely escape from most warlocks my lvl. I usually dash away with 500-2k hp left. kd + Stab is usually better. Since alot of the warlocks i fight debuff ur attacks first which means your nukes will hit for shit. The best build against a warlock imo is a pure str with purification pills. A bower with knockback or a glaiver with stun. I'm not too sure about bladers. The kd and stab would delay the warlock, but the dmg output of bladers doesnt' seem to be that high. If it's a warlock 1h + 2h.... i'd think the bower is best bet... gotta love that kb...

[wetgwap]

i have a ice force blader and i can kill warlocks around my lvl...
Cure Therapy Series is helpfull agains them...

[XemnasXD]

warlocks are one of the tougher things a blader can fight.

[360apples]

Lets say I got special pills and fire shield emperor on would that not further reduce the debuff? And would this method work? Use Demon Cut Blade than Giant Shield and Lightning Chain followed by ocean blade force if ocean blade force fails (if its a tight situation use a second knock down i.e demon cut blade and the usual stabs) use Giant Shield and than lightning chain and than ocean blade force once again and than asura cut blade and dragon sore blade if possible flower bud blade and hope for a kill. Or not char about the defense and just use lightning chain + accesncion chain + heaven chain + summit and depth force bicheon + ocean blade force + asura cut blade and dragon sore blade.

[the_wicked]

if its a str warlock build the blader dies.

if its an INT its all dependant on when the blader pills. He needs to pill off the sleep/trap.

[360apples]

str warlock? Are you sure?

[Crowley]

Blader VS Warlock.

In your opinion who has more chances to kill?

What would be a good build VS warlock is 90 bich 90 fire 90 light 30 ice fine?

What would be a good tactic for killing warlocks?

thanks.

No, Chinese str builds shouldn't have ice at 30. Why pick 90 ligh over 90 ice? Extra parry? Mag attack? Speed? A str build doesn't need all those.

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[thechampion80]

str warlock? Are you sure?

like warrior/warlock or rogue/warlock
but if a warlock/cleric has good gear he can win

[_Scarlett_]

Depends on if the blader knows when and how to use fire wall against the warlock. I see soooo many chinese not knowing when to use a wall it's sad ='(

[Glavie's Girl]

Debuffs wouldnt do much either way, when its blader vs warlock its who can disable the other first, a lucky blader who can consectutivly KD over and over again will win easily. If the blader had fire wall sure he can be "immune" to certain debuffs but he cant KD the warlock who has distance attacks and he only has blade throws, of which most dont lvl for some reason or another. in that case the warlock reguardless of fire wall will win for she can do more DPS then the bladers few throw attacks. My opinion from personal experience.

[360apples]

The technique i had posted would that do fine?, if not can someone show me a good technique for fighting warlocks

[Advancechao]

+1 to Glaive's Girl

Lets say I got special pills and fire shield emperor on would that not further reduce the debuff? And would this method work? Use Demon Cut Blade than Giant Shield and Lightning Chain followed by ocean blade force if ocean blade force fails (if its a tight situation use a second knock down i.e demon cut blade and the usual stabs) use Giant Shield and than lightning chain and than ocean blade force once again and than asura cut blade and dragon sore blade if possible flower bud blade and hope for a kill. Or not char about the defense and just use lightning chain + accesncion chain + heaven chain + summit and depth force bicheon + ocean blade force + asura cut blade and dragon sore blade.

The Fire Shield does nothing to debuffs. I think it only works on the regular statuses such as burn, poison, freeze, and shock. The special pills aren't spammable either since they've got a long cooldown time, not sure how long though.

Wow that's a pretty detailed strategy you have, it's cool how you try to plan your fights but it won't work against warlocks unfortunately. >_< A good warlock will have you stunned, DoTed, debuffed, and may continuously attack cancel you after your very first attack, so there is really no chance it will go the way you planned.

The only thing you can really do is try to KD and stab with Dragon Sore and Asura Blade (if you're lucky and not impotented/dulled, you can pull off a crit to kill the warlock). If you have Giant Shield, then go ahead and use it because it can help block some DoT hits and nukes. And always use the Summit and Depth force to boost your attack since it doesn't hurt your magical defense. If you have ice wall, use it to stop the debuffs. It will not help you kill, though, because it is just as easy for the warlock to run out of range and sit down, and it also does not absorb the magical damage ^_^ Don't try doing too many chains. They simply don't do very much damage at all, and if you get stunned or KBed, the animation continues but you are not actually hitting. Stick to single powerful KD and stab. Lightning chain and flying stone smash are both worth it for the bleed status, but you shouldn't expect to land other stats on them if they have Holy Spell and a cleric sub.

[thechampion80]

+1 to Glaive's Girl

Lets say I got special pills and fire shield emperor on would that not further reduce the debuff? And would this method work? Use Demon Cut Blade than Giant Shield and Lightning Chain followed by ocean blade force if ocean blade force fails (if its a tight situation use a second knock down i.e demon cut blade and the usual stabs) use Giant Shield and than lightning chain and than ocean blade force once again and than asura cut blade and dragon sore blade if possible flower bud blade and hope for a kill. Or not char about the defense and just use lightning chain + accesncion chain + heaven chain + summit and depth force bicheon + ocean blade force + asura cut blade and dragon sore blade.

The Fire Shield does nothing to debuffs. I think it only works on the regular statuses such as burn, poison, freeze, and shock. The special pills aren't spammable either since they've got a long cooldown time, not sure how long though.

Wow that's a pretty detailed strategy you have, it's cool how you try to plan your fights but it won't work against warlocks unfortunately. >_< A good warlock will have you stunned, DoTed, debuffed, and may continuously attack cancel you after your very first attack, so there is really no chance it will go the way you planned.

The only thing you can really do is try to KD and stab with Dragon Sore and Asura Blade (if you're lucky and not impotented/dulled, you can pull off a crit to kill the warlock). If you have Giant Shield, then go ahead and use it because it can help block some DoT hits and nukes. And always use the Summit and Depth force to boost your attack since it doesn't hurt your magical defense. If you have ice wall, use it to stop the debuffs. It will not help you kill, though, because it is just as easy for the warlock to run out of range and sit down, and it also does not absorb the magical damage ^_^ Don't try doing too many chains. They simply don't do very much damage at all, and if you get stunned or KBed, the animation continues but you are not actually hitting. Stick to single powerful KD and stab. Lightning chain and flying stone smash are both worth it for the bleed status, but you shouldn't expect to land other stats on them if they have Holy Spell and a cleric sub.

exactly
and those pills that remove debuffs have 15 second delay

[360apples]

oh really sorry...didn't know that fire shield doesn't cover debuffs now i gotta re-do my tactic anyways thanks..

[-.-]

use the shield damage buff, not sure why you would need the shield's 15sec buffs though, warlock has no phy damage to block
well an int warlock anyways

and for disabling, warlock can kd/stun/sleep/bind (depending on build)

[360apples]

use the shield damage buff, not sure why you would need the shield's 15sec buffs though, warlock has no phy damage to block
well an int warlock anyways

and for disabling, warlock can kd/stun/sleep/bind (depending on build)

Actually from my pvp times i used mountain shield and it worked against magic based hits fine
obviously works for STR based hits

[bballpro]

I think the blader would win (if it is pure str) because bladers tank like crazy and they hit decent. I would say the warlock would win but because of the major pot delay a warlock has I have to go with a blader.

[whorelock]

as a warlock my favorite build to pvp is a blader to start of bladers dont do the highes dmg but then when u throw on the warlock debuffs your even weaker its fun to pvp bladers because the fight last longer than most.if the blader doesnt have special pills he is done for reason being a warlock can tank a kd and stabs but b4 a blader can kd again it is likley the warlock will stun/sleep you and its all downhill for u from their

[360apples]

i hear at 100 cap blader gets a chain that inflicts stun and dull, that would give blader a fighting chance don't you think? thanks.

[XemnasXD]

Im pretty sure at the 100 cap theres new stones released to add resistance to stun, bleed, etc. If thats true then warlocks will take a big hit. Also a warlock can't tank a bladers KD with Double or Triple Stab unless they're STR. The chances of then blocking all those hits isn't very good at all and if they cast sleep just pill it off immediately. Warlocks are tough but if your fast and smart you can keep the fight in your favor, but fighting a warlock above your lvl is probably going to result in a loss

[whorelock]

Im pretty sure at the 100 cap theres new stones released to add resistance to stun, bleed, etc. If thats true then warlocks will take a big hit. Also a warlock can't tank a bladers KD with Double or Triple Stab unless they're STR. The chances of then blocking all those hits isn't very good at all and if they cast sleep just pill it off immediately. Warlocks are tough but if your fast and smart you can keep the fight in your favor, but fighting a warlock above your lvl is probably going to result in a loss

well im pure int lvl 83 at the moment my gear is 72-77+5 not perfect blues but not crapy eaither and i can tank a bladers double stabs but maybe ur used to seeieng euros on npc shit also im sub cleric so that helps alot with my rd. as for the new stones and holy spell against warlocks the warlocks skills are supposed to exede the lvl of those 2 things so it will reduce time but it will not elminate them

[XemnasXD]

Time is all warlocks have on their side. Im pretty sure the holyspell+Stones will=invulnerable just like they allowed ppl to be immune to ice. Warlocks don't have the health to survive 2 crits from bladers, at the 100 cap bladers will have a 4 stab with + crit on all of them. The math doesn't add up to any int build surviving that without outside help...

[-.-]

chinese just cant tank that well against warlocks if they depend on potting... since warlocks can give people pot delays

[Oryx]

How come warlocks never talk about taking down ice wall with phy weapon? It doesn't take that long if it's a low level one... Anyway I think the warlock has a good chance of winning, unless the blader can get double crits in.

[-.-]

um... an int warlock hits really low with phy weapon + low hp means they dont got time to be hitting away at it

[Shadow]

Im pretty sure at the 100 cap theres new stones released to add resistance to stun, bleed, etc. If thats true then warlocks will take a big hit. Also a warlock can't tank a bladers KD with Double or Triple Stab unless they're STR. The chances of then blocking all those hits isn't very good at all and if they cast sleep just pill it off immediately. Warlocks are tough but if your fast and smart you can keep the fight in your favor, but fighting a warlock above your lvl is probably going to result in a loss

I've understood that those stones will be xtremely rare, I so wouldn't worry about stun and bleed resistances. Anyway, 100 cap probably won't be here anytime soon...

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

If the blader has ice shield, fire shield and fire armor he has very good chances of winning

[Appelkompot]

if the blader uses force and the special universal pills agains a full int warlock they win
if its a warrior / warlock who uses 1handed i think the 1 handed warrior will win