FURRING

[Barotix]

Morals are motivations based on ideas of what is good, and what is bad. If you think the skinning of animals when they're alive is a good thing, or the cruelty to animals is a good thing, then you have serious problems.

So because he doesn't have the same moral values as you he's "mentaly unstable."

Most stupid thing I've read all day. I'm sorry but that is just pathetic if that is your argument.

It can defend itself. Defense can be strong and defense can be weak.

Does it say it has to be treated equally? Once again, this is when morals kick in. Speaking of someones mental state

Other animals do not share human rights. A human is not a racoon dog or a white fox.

yeah thats right we are mammals... of courseee

We're animals but we have human rights. What about insects. Do they get the same "rights" as other animals (besides humans)? Would you object if I destroyed an anthill?

[Da_Realest]

when an animal is kicking and flailing in pain and whimpering does that not mean anything to you? They cant write.

Yes, it means just what you said. They are feeling pain.

How can you even discern that the animals being skinned can even comprehend the concept of equality? You know that when these animals are feeding from their mother it is still survival of the fittest, right? They have to compete with their brothers and sisters for proper nutrition because there is no such thing as you get xxx amount, he gets xxx amount, etc.

So your saying that if i saw a person that couldnt write due to an issue and couldnt speak i should be able to put them through immense pain?
NICE LOGIC

So just because point A is true and and point B is true, point C must be true? Nice logic.

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Morals are subjective. You have no arugment.

You know crying is a defensive mechanism as well, right? As Barotix said, defense can be strong and defense can be weak. Just because the outcome isn't changed does not mean there was no defense.

[izmeister]

Its funny how these animal rights activists do not seem to care that they kill bugs everyday when they walk.

[dom]

Animals are not humans. Animals aren't of the same importance we attribute to handicaps, nor do they have or deserve the same rights. They aren't guaranteed to have the same freedoms we do, and animal abuse is something that simply happens.

I believe those kinds of actions are marginal, and do not properly represent the whole industry let alone any industry dealing with animals at large.

With that said, and as virile as I am... I have no problems watching a 12 year old muslim extremist cutting off a man's head, or seeing someone get trampled by a bull. In this case, just reading "skinned alive, turning it's head to the camera" is enough to disgust me and keep me from watching it.

Decent treatment of animals isn't a guaranteed right - but it's something that any sane human would do. Not killing an animal before skinning it isn't something you do to save time or money, it's something you do because you're sick.

[magisuns]

Its funny how these animal rights activists do not seem to care that they kill bugs everyday when they walk.

thats not a point btw. its not like any1 is like " LETS KILLL THIS BUG WHEN WE WALK, HARHARHAR " it just happens sometimes whether we mean it or not. Thats not even relevant to the discussion though

[DarkJackal]

Its funny how these animal rights activists do not seem to care that they kill bugs everyday when they walk.

But bugs are icky.

I'm not sure who you mean but I think most are effected by the fact they skinned it alive, why couldn't of just broke its neck or something first? It's just a bit disturbing. Did you see it? lol >.>.





Anyway da_realist, how long do you think anything will survive being eaten alive? Being paralyzed IF the venom doesn't effect the respiratory system it can't breath being inside some other animal lol >.>. And being digested from the inside out, same deal. And like I said.. Snake eat, snake survive. But damn, i'm not trying to say were wrong for killing animals, or other animals are.


The bottom line is it's unnecessary to keep them alive and skin them, its just cruelty to animals, and yea yea nothin you can do about it, that doesn't change what it is~

[M3K0S]

racoons are mean anyways....
omg it sux that he was still blinking tho...

[Da_Realest]

Anyway da_realist, how long do you think anything will survive being eaten alive? Being paralyzed IF the venom doesn't effect the respiratory system it can't breath being inside some other animal lol >.>. And being digested from the inside out, same deal. And like I said.. Snake eat, snake survives. But damn, i'm not trying to say were wrong for killing animals, or other animals are.


The bottom line is it's unnecessary to keep them alive and skin them, its just cruelty to animals, and yea yea nothin you can do about it, that doesn't change what it is~

Suffocating, venom destroying your insides, etc... Its painful either way.

From what I've read and based on the documentaries I've seen, the Chinese believe skinning the animal alive is better for the fur. Why? I don't know.

I don't agree with their decision to skin the animals alive, but I do agree that it could, not should, be done in a less painful way. However, I do not feel sorry for the animals nor do I look down upon the people who do these things. I'm pretty sure they disagree with many things that are socially acceptable in some areas of the world.

[Ramrod]

Anyway you look at it, this is discusting and the bullshit posted above about "oh well snakes eat their pray alive" is a stupid fu cking excuse. We are HUMAN, we have the ability to use common sense and we have a right to respect animals. They have feelings like us, and they have personalities. If I was to kick you in the head you'd go owe, I do the same to an animal it doesn't say owe but it will definitely tell you it's in pain. Animals don't like to be mistreated, so why not treat them with some dignity and respect. I am not a vegitarian, I love steak, but this shit is sick and their is no excuse for it.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Anyway you look at it, this is discusting and the bullshit posted above about "oh well snakes eat their pray alive" is a stupid fu cking excuse. We are HUMAN, we have the ability to use common sense and we have a right to respect animals. They have feelings like us, and they have personalities. If I was to kick you in the head you'd go owe, I do the same to an animal it doesn't say owe but it will definitely tell you it's in pain. Animals don't like to be mistreated, so why not treat them with some dignity and respect. I am not a vegitarian, I love steak, but this shit is sick and their is no excuse for it.

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

[Ramrod]

Anyway you look at it, this is discusting and the bullshit posted above about "oh well snakes eat their pray alive" is a stupid fu cking excuse. We are HUMAN, we have the ability to use common sense and we have a right to respect animals. They have feelings like us, and they have personalities. If I was to kick you in the head you'd go owe, I do the same to an animal it doesn't say owe but it will definitely tell you it's in pain. Animals don't like to be mistreated, so why not treat them with some dignity and respect. I am not a vegitarian, I love steak, but this shit is sick and their is no excuse for it.

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

That is also a shit excuse too.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Anyway you look at it, this is discusting and the bullshit posted above about "oh well snakes eat their pray alive" is a stupid fu cking excuse. We are HUMAN, we have the ability to use common sense and we have a right to respect animals. They have feelings like us, and they have personalities. If I was to kick you in the head you'd go owe, I do the same to an animal it doesn't say owe but it will definitely tell you it's in pain. Animals don't like to be mistreated, so why not treat them with some dignity and respect. I am not a vegitarian, I love steak, but this shit is sick and their is no excuse for it.

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

That is also a shit excuse too.

thats a shit argument, give reasons

[DarkJackal]

That makes no sense, its the same thing as said about snakes, dinosaurs were top of the food chain because they were the biggest predators around, but thats only some dinosaurs, dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs. It's not skinning the animal that is messed up, its skinning it alive >.>.


There's no point in defending it, its just wrong to skin animals alive lol. But yea, ''nothin we can do about it'', doesn't change anything ;d.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

well people stil aruge against the whole fur thing killing the animal and taking the fur im fine with

but dumbasses complaining bout how we get fur should shut up

btw leather is cow skin go on throw it away

they kill the cow take its skin, eat the cow aswell

in those countrys they eat the dogs so it is also part of the food chain

(btw im not making sense i intend not to just saying what im thinking)

[Grimjaw]

I hope they all burn in hell.

[l05tfr33k7]

Decent treatment of animals isn't a guaranteed right - but it's something that any sane human would do. Not killing an animal before skinning it isn't something you do to save time or money, it's something you do because you're sick.

[Ramrod]

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

It's a shit excuse because...

It's like saying the economy is f ucked so why fix it now?

It's like saying women have had breast cancer for a long time now, why should we cure it?

It's like saying middle eastern women haven't had civil rights for a long time now, so why should women stick up for who they are?

Instead of saying well the world is f ucked so let's keep skinning animals, why not try to fix what you believe in? People donate time to different causes because it's what they strongly believe in. Some people spend time in Afghanistan fighting for womens rights, some people help find a cure for cancer, and some people spend time protecting animals. Not everyone can donate their time to every problem in the world, but with almost 7billion people on the planet we can all focus on a good cause, and make a change.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

It's a shit excuse because...

It's like saying the economy is f ucked so why fix it now?

It's like saying women have had breast cancer for a long time now, why should we cure it?

It's like saying middle eastern women haven't had civil rights for a long time now, so why should women stick up for who they are?

Instead of saying well the world is f ucked so let's keep skinning animals, why not try to fix what you believe in? People donate time to different causes because it's what they strongly believe in. Some people spend time in Afghanistan fighting for womens rights, some people help find a cure for cancer, and some people spend time protecting animals. Not everyone can donate their time to every problem in the world, but with almost 7billion people on the planet we can all focus on a good cause, and make a change.

i said the world is farked up i didnt say we shouldnt fix it but you proved my point tho i didnt make a point, we should focus on more important things animals have been killed many different ways by humans for thousands of years now, tho i think it was cruel to do it he oblivously has done it a lot to feed his family its his job and he does it regardles, them animals will be eaten or sold as food to get more money keeping them alive is one way of keeping them fresh (i stil think it was cruel btw)

halal food the animals are hung upside down and necks slit while they are alive there blood drains from them that is no more cruel then this i dont really agree with either but nor am i that bothered to stop it as its the way things need to work for us to get along

[Snoopy]

put another way dinosaurs were top of the food chain, did they respect the lower animals, i think not. we are animals and the top of the food chain if your gona getting pissy its no different, we may be more evolved but the only real thing we have managed to do for this planet is **** it up so in comparrison snakes eating their prey alive, us skinning animals for fur is nothing

It's a shit excuse because...

It's like saying the economy is f ucked so why fix it now?

It's like saying women have had breast cancer for a long time now, why should we cure it?

It's like saying middle eastern women haven't had civil rights for a long time now, so why should women stick up for who they are?

Instead of saying well the world is f ucked so let's keep skinning animals, why not try to fix what you believe in? People donate time to different causes because it's what they strongly believe in. Some people spend time in Afghanistan fighting for womens rights, some people help find a cure for cancer, and some people spend time protecting animals. Not everyone can donate their time to every problem in the world, but with almost 7billion people on the planet we can all focus on a good cause, and make a change.

i said the world is farked up i didnt say we shouldnt fix it but you proved my point tho i didnt make a point, we should focus on more important things animals have been killed many different ways by humans for thousands of years now, tho i think it was cruel to do it he oblivously has done it a lot to feed his family its his job and he does it regardles, them animals will be eaten or sold as food to get more money keeping them alive is one way of keeping them fresh (i stil think it was cruel btw)

halal food the animals are hung upside down and necks slit while they are alive there blood drains from them that is no more cruel then this i dont really agree with either but nor am i that bothered to stop it as its the way things need to work for us to get along

I'd rather get hung upside down and my neck cut and have blood drip from me, than smacked on the ground, be tied up to a fence, and have my skin pulled off me, then get simply chucked in a bin and left for dead.

I see what you're saying however, that the person has to feed his family, etc.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

You guys just made a controversial topic more controversial...


Furring is USELESS,
because people only show off dead animals by wearing their skin.
useless, because only the fur is used in most cases


true, it is a profitable act, but here again, the moral:
do you have to inflict pain to other beings in order to obtain money?

But since evil exists in everyone, there will always be genocide, homocide, killing animals for profit, destroying the environment for profit.


and since evil is connected to greed, we like to show off...

Why not wear cotton?Why not wear an artificial fiber to represent what man is capable of..

this problem wont be gone too soon

[[SD]Master_Wong]

You guys just made a controversial topic more controversial...


Furring is USELESS,
because people only show off dead animals by wearing their skin.
useless, because only the fur is used in most cases


true, it is a profitable act, but here again, the moral:
do you have to inflict pain to other beings in order to obtain money?

But since evil exists in everyone, there will always be genocide, homocide, killing animals for profit, destroying the environment for profit.


and since evil is connected to greed, we like to show off...

Why not wear cotton?Why not wear an artificial fiber to represent what man is capable of..

this problem wont be gone too soon

why is it evil for him to support his family or do his job, because we dont agree with something dnt make it evil

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

You guys just made a controversial topic more controversial...


Furring is USELESS,
because people only show off dead animals by wearing their skin.
useless, because only the fur is used in most cases


true, it is a profitable act, but here again, the moral:
do you have to inflict pain to other beings in order to obtain money?

But since evil exists in everyone, there will always be genocide, homocide, killing animals for profit, destroying the environment for profit.


and since evil is connected to greed, we like to show off...

Why not wear cotton?Why not wear an artificial fiber to represent what man is capable of..

this problem wont be gone too soon

why is it evil for him to support his family or do his job, because we dont agree with something dnt make it evil

I am not pointing on one person saying: "that one is evil"
He is the lowest chain of the fur trade, so he is used to breeding and killing them for a living.
And since he is in that position, he gets enough money to survive, but not enough to do much more. And those people are the ones who are arrested and jailed instead of the bosses it all.

Many markets, in this case the whole fur market is based on ruthlesness
poaching as well:
Its only attractive because dealers support it by paying ludicrous amounts of money.



As long as something makes money, people will find it useful....

if helping homeless people were profitable, the streets would be empty by now

[[SD]Master_Wong]

You guys just made a controversial topic more controversial...


Furring is USELESS,
because people only show off dead animals by wearing their skin.
useless, because only the fur is used in most cases


true, it is a profitable act, but here again, the moral:
do you have to inflict pain to other beings in order to obtain money?

But since evil exists in everyone, there will always be genocide, homocide, killing animals for profit, destroying the environment for profit.


and since evil is connected to greed, we like to show off...

Why not wear cotton?Why not wear an artificial fiber to represent what man is capable of..

this problem wont be gone too soon

why is it evil for him to support his family or do his job, because we dont agree with something dnt make it evil

I am not pointing on one person saying: "that one is evil"
He is the lowest chain of the fur trade, so he is used to breeding and killing them for a living.
And since he is in that position, he gets enough money to survive, but not enough to do much more. And those people are the ones who are arrested and jailed instead of the bosses it all.

Many markets, in this case the whole fur market is based on ruthlesness
poaching as well:
Its only attractive because dealers support it by paying ludicrous amounts of money.



As long as something makes money, people will find it useful....

if helping homeless people were profitable, the streets would be empty by now

i 100% agree finally this is the first post in this thread that sheds truth

[*BlackFox]

You guys just made a controversial topic more controversial...


Furring is USELESS,
because people only show off dead animals by wearing their skin.
useless, because only the fur is used in most cases


true, it is a profitable act, but here again, the moral:
do you have to inflict pain to other beings in order to obtain money?

But since evil exists in everyone, there will always be genocide, homocide, killing animals for profit, destroying the environment for profit.


and since evil is connected to greed, we like to show off...

Why not wear cotton?Why not wear an artificial fiber to represent what man is capable of..

this problem wont be gone too soon

if helping homeless people were profitable, the streets would be empty by now

I absolutely agree to what you have written here.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

** waits for ThiefzV2 to say we are wrong... **

[[SD]Master_Wong]

** waits for ThiefzV2 to say we are wrong... **

well i think we have come to an conclusion with this discussion what he is doing is not evil he is doing it as he im sure has to support a family buy the people who buys or he works for are the evil ones, there is oblivously a reason why he keeps the animals alive the reason we may never know as it does not say

unless iv gather the wrong idea thats it in a nutshell right?

[*BlackFox]

he's a cruel,evil bastard

[Homie]

As long as someone eats the meat, yo. Waste of good meat.

[DarkJackal]

** waits for ThiefzV2 to say we are wrong... **

well i think we have come to an conclusion with this discussion what he is doing is not evil he is doing it as he im sure has to support a family buy the people who buys or he works for are the evil ones, there is oblivously a reason why he keeps the animals alive the reason we may never know as it does not say

unless iv gather the wrong idea thats it in a nutshell right?

We know nothin about the guys lol.


This topic is just repeating itself in different words >.>.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

** waits for ThiefzV2 to say we are wrong... **

well i think we have come to an conclusion with this discussion what he is doing is not evil he is doing it as he im sure has to support a family buy the people who buys or he works for are the evil ones, there is oblivously a reason why he keeps the animals alive the reason we may never know as it does not say

unless iv gather the wrong idea thats it in a nutshell right?

We know nothin about the guys lol.


This topic is just repeating itself in different words >.>.

point so we cant lable it as evil either if we know nothing we dont know if he has got a family either but its likly he does and its likly he is doing this to support them but we dont know