Blader build best for killing euros?

[Crayon]

I want a build that could generaly kill any euro. any help or info??
Greatly appreciated!

[Mousetrap]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

[Fabricated]

I would have to agree with mouse. I ran a Str Bower for quite sometime and loved playing it. It was a beast in pvp play and pve was hardly even a challenge... But I have also had plenty of experince with a blader as well and I must say that a well trained blader that knows what they are doing can do just about anything... It's all personal prefrence really. If you like fast leveling and the best damage build for str go for the bower. If you like slow leveling and tanking anything that gets in the way go blader... Simple.

[caseyd4]

I would have to say Hyb bow would be stronger Versus Euros, as yuo need the snow shield against those Wizs, not hard after that to Ice imbue and take em out. Also better mag defence.

[Shadowfox542]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

I am a level 87 warrior/cleric. I can safely say I am one of the best War/Cle in 1v1 (on my server) I haven't seen another warrior use trace healing. My skills are at 82, FF 1H/2H/Cleric, my set is +3/4, all with str.

This build isn't a you can kill anyone or anything build. Warriors get destroyed by bicheon Nukers that have snow on. I am in a decent set, and am good at having bless/skins/healing orbit on at all times, but I cannot tank a S/S nuker without either bless/healing orbit, or bless/skins.

Basically, heres how I see it.

The Euro Killing build from what I have seen is S/S nukers. Light90 Blade90 Cold90 will stop anyone that isn't sub celric, if you just spam KD and chains...

With snow, if your in prot, you should be able to tank a warrior long enough to nuke him to death, but just KD spam if the warrior uses bless and skins. Rouges will eat you if your not fast, if they hit before you snow its probably over for you.

Wizards will kill you in 1 hit if your snowed, and you will kill them in 1 hit.


IMO, archer is the best, KB spam a warrior until they are unskinned/blessed, then kill. KB spam rouges or wizards, this will probably kill them if they have DD/LC on, just use KB->strong bow for stun. At 100cap, you will be able to KB someone forever with the new combo, so that will definintely kill wizards/rouges.

The only problem with bow is that if they hit you first, or for whatever reason you cannot attack, your totally dead. Example: When I use 1H with my shield (Br18+8 passive), I just KB spam archers until they get dull, and their arrow combo does not KB me about half the time, block+the 30% chance anyhow works magic. Then use heaven flash to get bind on the archer, assuming you cast without getting KB'd, switch to 2H, turn rising, triple swing. Dull+Bind increase damage, and being KD'd increases damage.

Basically, if your fast and have a good connection, archers, otherwise, blader.

@caseyd4 Hybrid bows are good, but they need to be something like Bow90 Fire90 Light70 Cold50 so they can use a good snow shield.

@Mousetrap If you really can kill any lv90 on the server, thats quite impressive, but I know I can't even with +7 1h/2h/shield.

[caseyd4]

@caseyd4 Hybrid bows are good, but they need to be something like Bow90 Fire90 Light70 Cold50 so they can use a good snow shield.

Maybe Someone already knows this, Plus because I dont rely on Crits as much Bow90 Fire70 Light90 Cold50

Is far better against them

[Ragnorak]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

lol,
my only comment:
I wish u were in my server so I could kill u, and btw in my server no warrior has ever kill me since I completed my set (prot) only exception has been a 2hand sun warrior and yet I can still win against it.

no such thing as "best" build period.

[Mousetrap]

lol,
my only comment:
I wish u were in my server so I could kill u, and btw in my server no warrior has ever kill me since I completed my set (prot) only exception has been a 2hand sun warrior and yet I can still win against it.

no such thing as "best" build period.

tell me your set and I'll tell you whether or not I could beat ya =)
If it's just a +5 prot set with +5+7+9 glavie, I'd win np =D.
I've beaten a sun glavier at 85 with +5 weapons, sos+5 chest and head.. som legs, and 2nd tier +3 shoulder hands and feet, it's pretty stupid how people pay so much money for gold just to be beaten by a euro in a mediocre set :\.
Yeah I bless, skin, hp grain and vigor grain.. it's basically unkillable. I don't see any chinese being able to kill me in a 1v1 once I reach 90 while I have a final tier heavy armor and robe set in the works.
warrior vs;
lock - can't debuff, nukes aren't strong enough to kill
cleric - only if they could get an offering off.. which is pretty much impossible in a 1v1 against a warrior.
wizard - too easy
rogue - do or die, double crit on mortal wounds while KD'd will probably kill you, on the other hand the warrior has so many disableing attacks that they'll never be able to use prick
bard - blah.. yeah
bow - keep sudden twisting and sprint assaulting until bleed and stunned, daredevil, turn rising, triple and dead if not in snow at least
blader - pretty much the same, except switching to 1h to dull after getting up from KD, maybe a bind with bleed kd and triple swing for close to 4x damage~ again once snow is gone they're screwed
spear - second easiest to kill.. bleed.. daredevil , dead, snow or not (almost full sun armor / protector also Lol)
s/s nuker - one of the hardest.. need to keep healing cycle on at all times while waiting for a good time to use 2H's daredevil, or just shield trash until snow is gone like a noob =D
glavier - 3rd or 4th easiest, moderate damage..once snow is gone, bleed and DD, same as bow except you don't need stun because they can't KB like a bower

chinese sucks, tbh. I fail to see why people still make them.. warrior cleric is the best, well.. warrior warlock but the big disadvantage is if they have holy word / spell.
after that, rogue / cleric and wizard.. bards and warlocks are alright, but meh. str bow, blader and s/s nukers are decent enough.. but compared to str euro they just get owned.
last cap glaviers were pretty good because they just got their new SSE skill, this cap heuksal fails in too many ways. I have one, I know from experience. It's now sitting in an npc garment set being used by my friends for powerlevel purposes.

edit;
forgot to add in party play =D
Q: What do chinese do in a party to help their team?
A:

Spoiler!

Nothing!

Let's see what you can do as a warrior cleric.. shall we?
Kay so you give defense buffs to your whole team, woot!
Holy spell, you've just immunized 8 people :o
Recovery division, make sure you stay near me =)
healing orbit.. tankability for all
finally bless, nearly invincible for 45seconds;
but that's just the cleric sub!
switching to warrior,
pain quota on the euros / INTs - 65% damage received by that person is shared throughout the party of 8.. two people only get 35% of damage directed towards them wtf hax?
fences - I don't have these maxed.. but they're around 50%, really now, taking 50% of the damage from another player is pretty cool.
screens for the player getting gangbanged by the other team
skins for yourself when you need it
vital increase I have 36k hp at level 86 without fullblues.. if there's a cleric which there usually is and we both do our jobs in CTF lets say, the win will always be ours.
not to mention a nice 85+7 br20 shield with passives that's br28 now.. br29 at level 90, nearly 1/3 of all hits blocked.

Well there's my wall of text! going to bed, gl hf reading it.

[PeroMed]

MouseTrap one big question... Do they have bless on when you pvp?
Or does your pvping look like I think it does:
Right after person dies and has no buffs you pvp them?

Correct me if i am wrong.

[whiteraven]

blader will do just fine,, but make sure you know how to use castle shield that makes the difference in pvp,, dont rely on 1, spam castle shield after eachother when best runs out, take other one, when that runs out, your first caslte mostlikely still refilling, so spam the 2nd book of castle shield


you still dont do much dmg, but atleast you are damn hard to kill doesnt mather if its a wiz with turnover or some rogue with xtreme/desperade,,

just know how to pvp against them

[-.-]

um... the reason chinese dont do so well is they keep using garms :S

I mean warriors win str because they got heavy armor... what galvie/blader/bow is using armor?
same thing with warriors vs s/s nuker, warrior can win if they used robes but they dont too often

[Mousetrap]

MouseTrap one big question... Do they have bless on when you pvp?
Or does your pvping look like I think it does:
Right after person dies and has no buffs you pvp them?

Correct me if i am wrong.

If they have sub cleric then yes they have bless on, if they're chinese then obviously not.. and no I don't kill unbuffed lvl 90 chinese and say 'lul own3d n00p'

[pizzagirl2008]

mousetrap wats ur ign? i like to see u pvp those sun chinese

[Ragnorak]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

I am a level 87 warrior/cleric. I can safely say I am one of the best War/Cle in 1v1 (on my server) I haven't seen another warrior use trace healing. My skills are at 82, FF 1H/2H/Cleric, my set is +3/4, all with str.

This build isn't a you can kill anyone or anything build. Warriors get destroyed by bicheon Nukers that have snow on. I am in a decent set, and am good at having bless/skins/healing orbit on at all times, but I cannot tank a S/S nuker without either bless/healing orbit, or bless/skins.

Basically, heres how I see it.

The Euro Killing build from what I have seen is S/S nukers. Light90 Blade90 Cold90 will stop anyone that isn't sub celric, if you just spam KD and chains...

With snow, if your in prot, you should be able to tank a warrior long enough to nuke him to death, but just KD spam if the warrior uses bless and skins. Rouges will eat you if your not fast, if they hit before you snow its probably over for you.

Wizards will kill you in 1 hit if your snowed, and you will kill them in 1 hit.


IMO, archer is the best, KB spam a warrior until they are unskinned/blessed, then kill. KB spam rouges or wizards, this will probably kill them if they have DD/LC on, just use KB->strong bow for stun. At 100cap, you will be able to KB someone forever with the new combo, so that will definintely kill wizards/rouges.

The only problem with bow is that if they hit you first, or for whatever reason you cannot attack, your totally dead. Example: When I use 1H with my shield (Br18+8 passive), I just KB spam archers until they get dull, and their arrow combo does not KB me about half the time, block+the 30% chance anyhow works magic. Then use heaven flash to get bind on the archer, assuming you cast without getting KB'd, switch to 2H, turn rising, triple swing. Dull+Bind increase damage, and being KD'd increases damage.

Basically, if your fast and have a good connection, archers, otherwise, blader.

@caseyd4 Hybrid bows are good, but they need to be something like Bow90 Fire90 Light70 Cold50 so they can use a good snow shield.

@Mousetrap If you really can kill any lv90 on the server, thats quite impressive, but I know I can't even with +7 1h/2h/shield.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vbSUrwvTjc

video without the 89+5 legs....trust me u would need sun 2hand to even come close to killing me...i don't really need to use walls...but firewall is an advantage...only sprint assault can destroy it and is not 100% like I said no warrior without a 2hand sun has kill me yet since I +5 my set (still missing chest/necklace) if 2hand hand sun hits 6-9k with DD then u must do 3-6k on wit a +5 (not saying u have a +5) lol.
ur DD/maddening will never get a direct hit on me>>>always hits shield or block it

[Blinxx]

oh noes the 2h vs glavie now? :O ahhaha

OnT: Blader alone can kill some euros, though you need to be more tactical as to warrior/clerics have so much more advantage than you. those 2 sets of double KD stabs can inflict a lot of damage trust me, but it still not a fact you can kill a euro too easily. Only ones i saw that has killed a euro warrior/cleric is S/S nukers, being that person having such high br :\. saw those 10k and 7k crits hit the warrior on the ground felt painful lol. and ahem ahem... most people in my server has managed to have multiple accounts to plvl themselves so yes.... FF both.

doesn't happen much, but i think S/S nukers do have a strongest chance against euros. Bicheon is an a55 mastery that's why lol.

[pizzagirl2008]

knowing from experience...bladers have best chance against warrior/clerics since they can tank out the skins/bless and wait for that time frame.

during that gap, you need to bleed and then do 2 x knockdown quad stab combos...it's usually a match finisher...if they survive then a third knockdown quad stab combo should suffice (thats only if you manage to get lucky with a knockdown hat-trick)

[tedtwilliger]

At 100 cap bowers will dominate. 60 cold, 40 light, 100 fire and 100 bow. Both snow wall and fire wall to resist statuses, back to back KB to see out bless / skins and strongbow + anti devil to deal quick damage at range. Phantom if needed and 88 phy increase from cold.

[Puma60]

blader will do just fine,, but make sure you know how to use castle shield that makes the difference in pvp,, dont rely on 1, spam castle shield after eachother when best runs out, take other one, when that runs out, your first caslte mostlikely still refilling, so spam the 2nd book of castle shield

Afaik, both books do cool down time if only one book is used.

[pizzagirl2008]

blader will do just fine,, but make sure you know how to use castle shield that makes the difference in pvp,, dont rely on 1, spam castle shield after eachother when best runs out, take other one, when that runs out, your first caslte mostlikely still refilling, so spam the 2nd book of castle shield

Afaik, both books do cool down time if only one book is used.

check out ksro vids on youtube...u will see bowers do 5 arrow kb followed by 6 arrow kbs...
crazy shit

[_EagleEye_]

it is good if u got good gear and blade, and hella hard to kill

[_Scarlett_]

So far the hardest build I've had troubles fighting against are pure int s/s nukers in snow.

[KsqueaKJ]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

1st bold. wrong, id say its even ive killed rouges and they have killed me neither is on top.

2nd bold. u must believe in "ignorance is bliss" you my friend are a noob. ya euros own when they have a party whenn pvp , and go agaist a chinese by himself while u have a cleric buffing u and healing you along with the warrior buffs on from other ppl...ya thats fair.... imo if its 1 on 1 wihtout other ppl helping u its a pretty damn fair battle.

and 3rd bold. ur proud of 3v1 when u had bless spell on? pathetic. thats nothing to be proud of, put bless spell on me ad im sure i can do more then a 3v1. damnn ur a noob



ot: dont go with glavie or spear.

and say blader(a force blader would probably be awesome against euro, never seen one battle a euro but seems like it would be good) or bow, pure int s/s or hyrbid s/s

[_Scarlett_]

1st bold. wrong, id say its even ive killed rouges and they have killed me neither is on top.

2nd bold. u must believe in "ignorance is bliss" you my friend are a noob. ya euros own when they have a party whenn pvp , and go agaist a chinese by himself while u have a cleric buffing u and healing you along with the warrior buffs on from other ppl...ya thats fair.... imo if its 1 on 1 wihtout other ppl helping u its a pretty damn fair battle.

and 3rd bold. ur proud of 3v1 when u had bless spell on? pathetic. thats nothing to be proud of, put bless spell on me ad im sure i can do more then a 3v1. damnn ur a noob



ot: dont go with glavie or spear.

and say blader(a force blader would probably be awesome against euro, never seen one battle a euro but seems like it would be good) or bow, pure int s/s or hyrbid s/s

Iunno what it's like on your server, but when you 1vs1 you agree to get rid of outside buffs, and go at it yourself. Any euro with a cleric sub and fair well alone, especially a warrior.

Blader w/ force fairs decently against euro, however, against any euro with holy spell it's pretty useless. Only debuff you're getting through Holy spell is the PR and AR decreases, and Bleed. Against chinese it's really good, unless they get a cleric to come buff them '~,~. So far pure int s/s has an easier time, especially once they put snow up.

[KsqueaKJ]

1st bold. wrong, id say its even ive killed rouges and they have killed me neither is on top.

2nd bold. u must believe in "ignorance is bliss" you my friend are a noob. ya euros own when they have a party whenn pvp , and go agaist a chinese by himself while u have a cleric buffing u and healing you along with the warrior buffs on from other ppl...ya thats fair.... imo if its 1 on 1 wihtout other ppl helping u its a pretty damn fair battle.

and 3rd bold. ur proud of 3v1 when u had bless spell on? pathetic. thats nothing to be proud of, put bless spell on me ad im sure i can do more then a 3v1. damnn ur a noob



ot: dont go with glavie or spear.

and say blader(a force blader would probably be awesome against euro, never seen one battle a euro but seems like it would be good) or bow, pure int s/s or hyrbid s/s

Iunno what it's like on your server, but when you 1vs1 you agree to get rid of outside buffs, and go at it yourself. Any euro with a cleric sub and fair well alone, especially a warrior.

Blader w/ force fairs decently against euro, however, against any euro with holy spell it's pretty useless. Only debuff you're getting through Holy spell is the PR and AR decreases, and Bleed. Against chinese it's really good, unless they get a cleric to come buff them '~,~. So far pure int s/s has an easier time, especially once they put snow up.

i always forget about holy spell but if they didnt have holy spell then it would be good

and i was watching some videos and a int s/s did great against euros so ya so far thats probably the best choice


and in my server not always but at times guilds do that which pisses me off, im jealous that ppl in ur server actually know how to pvp.

[Mousetrap]

[quote="KsqueaKJ"]


1st bold. wrong, id say its even ive killed rouges and they have killed me neither is on top.

2nd bold. u must believe in "ignorance is bliss" you my friend are a noob. ya euros own when they have a party whenn pvp , and go agaist a chinese by himself while u have a cleric buffing u and healing you along with the warrior buffs on from other ppl...ya thats fair.... imo if its 1 on 1 wihtout other ppl helping u its a pretty damn fair battle.

and 3rd bold. ur proud of 3v1 when u had bless spell on? pathetic. thats nothing to be proud of, put bless spell on me ad im sure i can do more then a 3v1. damnn ur a noob
/quote]

1st; in my personal experience bladers aren't much threat. While jobbing I just leave them KD spamming me while I help my party until their snow is gone, then I rape their asses.

2nd; A warrior cleric is better at 1v1 pvp than any chinese character. In a party they excel even further.

3rd; Have you ever tried to tank two wizards and a rogue with bless on? Bless does NOT make you invincible. Even if you could tank it, they have bless on also with sub cleric.. do you think you'd be able to take out all three with ease? I doubt it.
Noob =)

I'm in the works of making a pre-90 video with my character as level 85-87 dominating level 88-90 chars (euros included)

[KsqueaKJ]

1st bold. wrong, id say its even ive killed rouges and they have killed me neither is on top.

2nd bold. u must believe in "ignorance is bliss" you my friend are a noob. ya euros own when they have a party whenn pvp , and go agaist a chinese by himself while u have a cleric buffing u and healing you along with the warrior buffs on from other ppl...ya thats fair.... imo if its 1 on 1 wihtout other ppl helping u its a pretty damn fair battle.

and 3rd bold. ur proud of 3v1 when u had bless spell on? pathetic. thats nothing to be proud of, put bless spell on me ad im sure i can do more then a 3v1. damnn ur a noob
/quote]

1st; in my personal experience bladers aren't much threat. While jobbing I just leave them KD spamming me while I help my party until their snow is gone, then I rape their asses.

2nd; A warrior cleric is better at 1v1 pvp than any chinese character. In a party they excel even further.

3rd; Have you ever tried to tank two wizards and a rogue with bless on? Bless does NOT make you invincible. Even if you could tank it, they have bless on also with sub cleric.. do you think you'd be able to take out all three with ease? I doubt it.
Noob =)

I'm in the works of making a pre-90 video with my character as level 85-87 dominating level 88-90 chars (euros included)

1:bladers who spam kd dont know what they are doing so ur facing noobs nothing to be proud of and snow? what blader uses snow shield?

2: lol ya last night this warrior with a sun was kicking everyones ass

3: ya the 2 wizards i would be able to kill not the rouge until the bless was gone. but rouge is a good fight so it would be a 50:50.

[BloodyBlade]

I find while using my rogue pure str bowers to be the hardest to kill, simply because of the knockback.
Bladers aren't really a challenge.. yes they take longer to kill, but if the rogue is smart the blader will never kill him.
heuksal users are nothing vs euro so don't waste your time with that.
s/s nukers with 53% snow shield are pretty annoying.. but still their low HP makes them pretty easy targets.

Euro > Chinese

I just now tanked two 85+ wizards, one with life turnover and a rogue with crossbow extreme on in CTF, both of us with bless.. 3v1, I killed them all as a level 85 warrior / cleric using 1H.

Warrior cleric is the best build in the game, I just hit 85 this week and can kill any level 90 chinese on the server.
for example;
hybrid spear:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=227892 (he hasn't done the inventory quest, but he is 90.)

blader:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=129456

bower:
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=133008

seriously.. reconsider making a chinese, I mean that hybrid spear guy must've spent 2k USD on his gear.. to be beaten by someone five levels lower in a +3+4+5 heavy armor set?

If you must make a chinese, make a bower and farm to 100 cap.. unlimited KB will be the best defense against a euro, against anyone really.

I am a level 87 warrior/cleric. I can safely say I am one of the best War/Cle in 1v1 (on my server) I haven't seen another warrior use trace healing. My skills are at 82, FF 1H/2H/Cleric, my set is +3/4, all with str.

This build isn't a you can kill anyone or anything build. Warriors get destroyed by bicheon Nukers that have snow on. I am in a decent set, and am good at having bless/skins/healing orbit on at all times, but I cannot tank a S/S nuker without either bless/healing orbit, or bless/skins.

Basically, heres how I see it.

The Euro Killing build from what I have seen is S/S nukers. Light90 Blade90 Cold90 will stop anyone that isn't sub celric, if you just spam KD and chains...

With snow, if your in prot, you should be able to tank a warrior long enough to nuke him to death, but just KD spam if the warrior uses bless and skins. Rouges will eat you if your not fast, if they hit before you snow its probably over for you.

Wizards will kill you in 1 hit if your snowed, and you will kill them in 1 hit.


IMO, archer is the best, KB spam a warrior until they are unskinned/blessed, then kill. KB spam rouges or wizards, this will probably kill them if they have DD/LC on, just use KB->strong bow for stun. At 100cap, you will be able to KB someone forever with the new combo, so that will definintely kill wizards/rouges.

The only problem with bow is that if they hit you first, or for whatever reason you cannot attack, your totally dead. Example: When I use 1H with my shield (Br18+8 passive), I just KB spam archers until they get dull, and their arrow combo does not KB me about half the time, block+the 30% chance anyhow works magic. Then use heaven flash to get bind on the archer, assuming you cast without getting KB'd, switch to 2H, turn rising, triple swing. Dull+Bind increase damage, and being KD'd increases damage.

Basically, if your fast and have a good connection, archers, otherwise, blader.

@caseyd4 Hybrid bows are good, but they need to be something like Bow90 Fire90 Light70 Cold50 so they can use a good snow shield.

@Mousetrap If you really can kill any lv90 on the server, thats quite impressive, but I know I can't even with +7 1h/2h/shield.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vbSUrwvTjc

video without the 89+5 legs....trust me u would need sun 2hand to even come close to killing me...i don't really need to use walls...but firewall is an advantage...only sprint assault can destroy it and is not 100% like I said no warrior without a 2hand sun has kill me yet since I +5 my set (still missing chest/necklace) if 2hand hand sun hits 6-9k with DD then u must do 3-6k on wit a +5 (not saying u have a +5) lol.
ur DD/maddening will never get a direct hit on me>>>always hits shield or block it

Cough ego cough

[ahmedsabry]

why has the topic turned into "warrior/cleric VS everything else"
anyway.. a warrior/cleric with both Heavy Armor and Robe sets is the best pvp build in the game (both 1v1 and group) and thats not just my oppinion.. anyone who says anything else is prolly jelous cuz warriors own him too much. really no offense to any other build.. they are all good, but warrior/cleric is just overpowered
basically:
1-u cant kill it with skins/bless on, wich is the case all the time except for a gap of 30 seconds which he can still tank with healing cycle + shield trash with ease.
2-u cant tank it if it crits too much (which it does with a crit 12 or more 2H) and combines the axe skills with the 2h ones.
3-as for group pvp, nothing supports ur party more than a warrior/cleric.

-done-

[Teddybeer]

bower will do on 100 cap

[_Creep_]

I have to agree with moustrap, bowers are hardest kill then s/s nukers.
Glaviers are easy they are in garment and any good rogue pwn them easy.
Glaviers are just week this cap.
Im not FF yet, my cleric skills are low lvl and dagger arent maxed either, but they are close to max. Only xbow is maxed and I still manage to kill 90% FF players with only xbow and dagger.
And from euro builds warrior/cleric is really hard to kill for rogue.